Tifa's Design: Has It Gotten Better?

[Alexia Ashford]

Jeans.... just wouldn't have been the same.
Although it would have been even more 90's. If ya know what Imma sayin'

 

[null]

Tifa with flannel would have been 90's.

Thankfully they didn't go the My-So Called Life route.

 

[Kobato]

She has brown eyes instead of red, and she no longer has her dolphin tail styled hair.

No, it's not gotten better, because SE has removed everything that made her appearance special and unique.

 

[Alexia Ashford]

so better superficially, but not where it counts.
Yeah it's prettier but they changed some of the things that make Tifa Tifa.

 

[Max Payne]

so better superficially, but not where it counts.
Yeah it's prettier but they changed some of the things that make Tifa Tifa.

The red eyes are what bug me the most. The rest I could live with.

 

[Guts]

On outfits.

Better? Different. It suits to make her look like a badass and appeal to a larger sum of people, but it sacrifices the artistic mood of FFVII and all but the thinnest morsels of her vibrant personality. The original outfit was "Tifa's," the new one didn't feel as close with her image.

And my god, they killed the eyes?

 

[Octo]

Yeah, they killed the eyes. I feel like they did nearly everything they could to fuck over Tifa's character and design. I could have lived without the dolphin tail, but they made her hair look really thin and flat too, she used to have really thick hair. Her new outfit isn't horrible, but I don't see why they couldn't have just given her a white vest instead of that zipped up effort. Clearly they didn't want to animate bouncing boobage

Her original outfit wasn't ideal for fighting, but that long skirt tail thing is totally impractical. It's like they were trying to show that she'd resigned herself to domesticity, where Cloud gets to go around with a ridiculous 6 in 1 penis subsitute for fending off what...Mandragoras?

And yeah, the eyes is the worst part of it. Its even more upsetting when you think about how long they spent on making Cloud, Sephiroth and the SHM have pretty eyes. The fuckers!

Anyway to rub salt in the wound I did this, sorry its a bit crude:

 

[Guts]

This is why I think a hi def remake would only work if it retained the anime styled grit of the first game and kept as far from FFXIII's pseudo pristine JDorama look as possible. Perhaps Xenoblade's art style, in hi def. Anime ish eyes with a very realistic texture set behind everything, ideal for FFVII's mix of comical shenanigans and gritty caricature of 90s science fiction.

 

[ForceStealer]

And yeah, the eyes is the worst part of it. Its even more upsetting when you think about how long they spent on making Cloud, Sephiroth and the SHM have pretty eyes. The fuckers!

Did they? They still don't have proper Mako eyes. Cloud's gotta little brighter in ACC though.


And I think even with the cape thing, that I actually thought for years was just a jacket tied around her waist, the outfit is still more practical for fighting than the original. Not saying I like it better, or that practicality plays any roll in FF outfits, but there's no denying that.
When it comes to outfits and hair, those are all things that Tifa could have reasonably decided to do. Girls I know get haircuts all the time when I would have preferred they kept it long. So even if its something you or I don't like it, even though I get your point that SE still designed it, but I still don't see it as a betrayal of the character.
The eyes she couldn't change short of special contacts, which I feel like would be hard to obtain in Gaia's current state

Clearly they didn't want to animate bouncing boobage

Thank god. You want her Dissidia boobs in AC?

 

[Octo]

Did they? They still don't have proper Mako eyes. Cloud's gotta little brighter in ACC though.

Well, they may not be as 'disney' bright as Zacks in CC (not the cutscene version) but they still spent a lot of time on all of their eyes, and lots of fapworthy closeups therof :/

And I think even with the cape thing, that I actually thought for years was just a jacket tied around her waist, the outfit is still more practical for fighting than the original. Not saying I like it better, or that practicality plays any roll in FF outfits, but there's no denying that.
When it comes to outfits and hair, those are all things that Tifa could have reasonably decided to do. Girls I know get haircuts all the time when I would have preferred they kept it long. So even if its something you or I don't like it, even though I get your point that SE still designed it, but I still don't see it as a betrayal of the character.
The eyes she couldn't change short of special contacts, which I feel like would be hard to obtain in Gaia's current state

Well, her orignal outfit wasn't practical because most girls don't want to do a high kick and risk exposing ones poon to the universe. Plus the braces would have been a liability because they could have been grabbed hold of.

Still, grabbing the braces would have required getting close enough, that massive tail skirt could have been grabbed quite easily. I'm surprised Loz didn't grab hold of it in their fight. (Maybe he did it's been so long since I saw it)

The hair thing, yeah, cutting her hair isn't outside the realms of possibility. I still think it should be thicker though. Hell, thick hair would be easier to animate as its nowhere near as wispy.

Thank god. You want her Dissidia boobs in AC?

Yes. Well.....a bit. I think its stupid that her boobs jiggle quite so much when she isnt moving much. Her tits aren't made from actual jelly, that would be fucking weird. But thats game designers idea of the female anatomy for you.

Seriously she does need to get a sports bra. How old is she in AC? 22? The folly of youth! I remember I had such an attitude to supportive underwear at that age. Now I have to roll my tits up like old socks

 

[Guts]

Dolphin hair, all of the respective Tifa features and red eyes - imagine Tifa in this art style. I hold that it's so majestic and detailed it'd be a great precursor to a HD FFVII.

I ain't arguin' with the idea!

 

[ForceStealer]

Pictures are borked.

Yes. Well.....a bit. I think its stupid that her boobs jiggle quite so much when she isnt moving much. Her tits aren't made from actual jelly, that would be fucking weird. But thats game designers idea of the female anatomy for you.

Well that's great for you and Masa. But I'll take her AC boobs that don't behave like water balloons on a bumpy road thanks.

 

[Guts]

God jam it.

CreativeUncut, check out Sharla (p. 1) and Mechonis Sword.

http://creativeuncut.com/art_xenoblade-chronicles_b.html

I honestly think this art style, in hi def, would fit the original FFVII's premise and visual expression perfectly.

 

[Masamune]

Well that's great for you and Masa. But I'll take her AC boobs that don't behave like water balloons on a bumpy road thanks.

Boobs are made for bouncing, Force.

It's a simple fact of life.

 

[Max Payne]

Well that's great for you and Masa. But I'll take her AC boobs that don't behave like water balloons on a bumpy road thanks.

Did you see ACC? The new scene where she excorts Denzel has her boobs all over the place.

Boobs bounce, and Japanese people love exaggerating shit, it's not gonna go away. Deal with it.jpg.

 

[Marle]

Boobs are made for bouncing, Force.

It's a simple fact of life.

This killed me.

I can attest to this. as can virtually every girl

 

[Octo]

Well that's great for you and Masa. But I'll take her AC boobs that don't behave like water balloons on a bumpy road thanks.

Well, what I was trying to say is that boobs do move, and should move, unless they're some sort of overstuffed implant made from vulcanized rubber and I don't think her AC boobs moved at all. Maybe she got hold of a ShockAbsorber or something.

Obviously her tits in Dissidia are ridiculous like Dead or Alive, but I don't see this as an either/or choice. They could have just made her AC boobs natural, but they didn't care and they put her in a constrictive vest

Also, at least Dissidia got her eyes right!

 

[Guts]

Dissidia's art deco is closer to XB's and what I'd like to see in a remake, tbh, though those eyes ain't really red enough for Tifa's original. Still pretty. Much better than jrock female Cloud.

 

[Marle]

^ His Dissida AC render was better, imo. :T But still, I think the HD scenes in the PSP game protrayed the FF7 characters better than AC/C. Heck, even CC did more justice than AC/C. I swear I don't hate the movie, I just really hate Tifa's/Aerith's design in it

 

[Max Payne]

I don't think her AC boobs moved at all.

Watch the scene in ACC I mentioned.

Obviously her tits in Dissidia are ridiculous like Dead or Alive,

Well, they're not quite there yet. Like, the boobs in DoA will move independently from each other often.

 

[Octo]

Watch the scene in ACC I mentioned.

Will do.

Well, they're not quite there yet. Like, the boobs in DoA will move independently from each other often.

Yeah. Its been years since I've played a DOA game, but I remember that when a girl was knocked down, the boobs would get up before she did

 

[Masamune]

^ His Dissida AC render was better, imo. :T But still, I think the HD scenes in the PSP game protrayed the FF7 characters better than AC/C. Heck, even CC did more justice than AC/C. I swear I don't hate the movie, I just really hate Tifa's/Aerith's design in it

I've often wondered if AC would have looked more faithful to the source material if they adopted the Dissidia CG style. It has that slightly cartoony edge that was lost in AC's semi-photorealistic design.

 

[Guts]

I just can't really reconcile FFVII with reality. It was never on the money with the original art and I have a personal view that it's the culmination of 90s culture highlights. It had cyberpunk, a ran down economy, an anime style not too dissimilar from Evangelion. FFVIII - Yeah I can see that as being perfectly viable in AC/HD style, but without slightly buggish eyes and a full palette of expressive colour (and tons of cyber grit) FFVII feels out of it's element entirely.

Crisis Core felt like a modernization of what FFVII was, removing everything that characterised it as a staple of the 1990s... Less weird enemy designs, none of the 90s anime style (even on the 2D art) and literally none of the comic genius that gave VII it's slapstick appeal. It's like how the newer Batman films are in contrast to the original vision, though that works better for Batman than it does for FFVII in spades.

Violence. Guys that are sick. Swearing. Crossdressing. Above all, a strong empathy that keeps all humans tied together by an invisible bond even in the most grimmiest world.

That made FFVII. Not trying to fit it in with reality or that PS3 tech demo. Fuck reality. Xenoblade feels more real than Advent Children ever did just through the way the characters spoke and reacted to things, there's no meaning to turning VII into VIII. The designs were never designed to translate fluently into that and spending as much time as they claim they did on revising his HD design is a testament to the fact... That it will never work right!

Tl;dr: VII has stupidly over the top anime characters and trying to abridge them with real life even slightly looks profoundly autistic.

 

[Max Payne]

an anime style not too dissimilar from Evangelion.

huh? The art style in Eva is VERY different from FFVII and rightly so.

 

[Octo]

Fuck reality.

Quoted for truth.

Obviously the OG designs needed updating. Personally I think Nomuras artwork was pretty bad back then. Tifa and Aeris had bizarre owl faces. His art for Dissidia is closer to the mark.

In AC they still have problems differentiating characters faces. With the exception of Barret, Cid and Rude. Everyone else looked like they could be related. Weird.

Worst of all Tifa and Aeris come out looking very dull and ordinary.