Trace of Two Pasts novel discussion

Makoeyes987

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Well they manufactured that crisis/tragedy to cover up their cruel attempt at wiping out a source of dissent and blaming it on said enemy themselves. It wasn't about hiding weakness, it was about squashing dissent with extreme force and prejudice. Their method of dealing with those who challenge them.

So yeah, they carefully cultivated the image of chaos and destruction all so they can give off the appearance of saving the day and being heroic afterwards. All while cruelly summarily executing a city just for the crime of being there.
 

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The story is not "Shinra Dropped the Plate to Squash Dissent".

The story is "AVALANCHE Has Emerged From Hiding **Again** and Shinra Promises to Take Action Against Them"

Shinra just gave everyone on Shinra's side a *very* good reason for Shinra to track down Avalanche with extreme prejudice. IE: a very good reason to show off how powerful Shinra is.
 

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Wow, thread grew quite a bit in two days. But yeah, the whole Nibelheim rebuild was one of the weirdest things I found about the OG. My only conclusion is that Shinra does whatever they want, however they want, whether it makes sense or not. I don't think it's an adherence to some creed around power and control.

They might have had the discipline to abide by a creed while the company was in its early years, but complacency seems to have taken over them by the time we see them in the game. I wouldn't even put it beyond them if the reason for reconstructing Nibelheim was as stupid as some important executive wanting to take their annual vacation there.

My headcanon imagines Rufus taking over and going wtf over the details of everything he's inherited, thinking "I thought he was doing a shitty job, but I didn't think it was this bad..."
 
I ran that interview through deepl and double checked a couple of things in denshi jisho. I wouldn't build too much on anything that sounds strange or surprising; it's probably just a translation error.

We spoke to Kazunari Nojima, author of the novel "FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE Traces of Two Pasts", about this novel!

Following "On the Way to a Smile FINAL FANTASY VII" and "FINAL FANTASY VII Gaiden: Turks: The Kids Are All Right", this is the third FFVII novel he's written.


Kazushige Nojima

Born in January 1964. Born in Sapporo. Aquarius. Storyteller and game creator who is active in a wide range of game scenarios. His representative works are "FINAL FANTASY VII", "FINAL FANTASY VII ADVENT CHILDREN", "CRISIS CORE -FINAL FANTASY VII-", "FINAL FANTASY X", "FINAL FANTASY X-2", "KINGDOM HEARTS", "KINGDOM HEARTS II". (He is the author of "On the Way to a Smile Final Fantasy VII", "Final Fantasy VII Gaiden: Turks: The Kids Are All Right", etc. In his private life, he loves heavy metal. He has a lot of electric guitars, but can't play them well.


As for the novel of "FFVII", "Final Fantasy VII Gaiden: Turks - The Kids Are All Right" was written in 2011, so it has been 10 years. First of all, please tell us why you agreed to write FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE Traces of Two Pasts, and what motivated you to come back to writing novels.


Nojima: I'd been getting regular offers to write, so I knew I had to do it at some point. Then I found a time when I could write, so I decided to give it a go.


Please tell us about the contents of this book. The book consists of two stories, "Tifa's Trajectory" and "Aerith's Trajectory", about Tifa and Aerith from their childhood to their girlhood, before the start of FFVII Remake. When did the outline of the overall structure come together?


Nojima: According to our records, we had a synopsis in the summer of 2020. When you read it, it's quite different from the finished product.


Is there anything else important about "FFVII Remake" other than its prequel* role?


Nojima: As you know, there are many derivatives of "FFVII", and each time there are additional settings and episodes. In "FFVII Remake", we reorganized and reorganized them, and this novel is written based on the setting.


Other than Tifa and Aerith, will there be other characters from FFVII surrounding them?


Nojima: Yes. There will be characters that have influenced their lives from childhood to adolescence.


Are there any mysteries that have been revealed in FFVII or FFVII Remake?


Nojima: We're not going to reveal any mysteries, but we're going to fill in the gaps in time that aren't told in the games.


Both stories show the protagonist in a sad situation, but strong and alive. What were some of the things you worked on?


Nojima: I thought about how each character overcomes their sorrow. Aerith tries to adjust to her new environment by believing she's not sad and acting cheerful. Tifa tries to get through each day by moving her body and spending less time thinking about the past. It's not really a contrivance, but I was careful not to let the story waver.** There are so many settings and backgrounds that you want to tell that they often seem to take centre stage. Yes.


In this game, there are "Tifa's Path" and "Aerith's Path".

First of all, please tell us about "Tifa's Trajectory".


Nojima: We had to tell the story of the relationship between Tifa and Cloud - "childhood friends, but not very close" -, their interaction with Zangan, how they ended up in Midgar after the tragedy, and how a 15-year-old girl with no family lived in a slum. It was a challenge to portray these things. I'm proud to say that it turned out quite interesting.


Could you tell us more about "Aerith's Path"?


Nojima: In FFVII and FFVII Remake, Aerith's house is also depicted as a special place in the slums. It's not just the flowers in bloom, but also the size of the property and its solid construction that makes it stand out. In an overall poor slum, the Gainsbourg family appear to be very wealthy. I wanted to give a story to this situation and that was the beginning of the plot.


"There's also a chapter about Aerith's trail called Coda: The Investigators in the Paintings, what do you think about that?


Nojima: In FFVII Remake, there's a room in the Shinra Building where Aerith spent her childhood. There's a large painting on the wall of that room. That painting also looked like it was looking for a story. That was the start.


I'd like to ask you if there is anything that you think has changed in the creation of the story (whether it's a scenario or a novel).


Nojima: I have more of a spirit of challenge. I think I've become more willing to do things in my work. Maybe I'm just getting impatient because I'm getting older and have less time on my hands (laughs).


You once said that when you tell a story, the novel is a free form of expression where anything is possible, but writing it is difficult. Do you feel that this is still the case today? Or do you feel that you have made any progress in terms of technology?


Nojima: I've loved novels since I was a child, and I used to read them a lot, but that meant I had high ideals. When it came to writing my own novels, I couldn't reach those heights at all, and for a long time writing novels was like a struggle. I don't feel that pain now. Maybe it's because I know myself.


What do you feel is the difference between telling a story in a game scenario and a novel, or any other form of expression (video, stage, etc.)?


Nojima: I think that a scenario for a game, film or stage is a blueprint. But a novel is everything in itself, so you can't rely on the help of other people. Also, the readers' knowledge of the world of FFVII varies, so it's always a challenge to decide what to write and what not to write. There are times when I devote too many pages to the background setting and the story doesn't progress at all (laughs).


You've talked before about the roots and background of the creator Kazunari Nojima, but are there any works that influenced you before you came back to writing this book? Even if it's not fiction, that's fine.


Nojima: I was hooked on a writer called Ferdinand von Schirach. His crisp, clear writing is very pleasing. Of course, I read the book in translation, so I challenged myself to see if I could make it like that translation, and that's what I did with "The Investigator in the Painting". I thought I wrote the other two stories in the same style, but when I finished them they were quite different (laughs).


Also, thanks to streaming services, we have much more opportunities to watch films. With this film, too, I was thinking that there might be an opportunity to make it into a film, like the Denzel episode in On the Way to a Smile, so I was careful to make the scenes come alive.


Do you have any plans to write any novels in the future?


Nojima: I've still got a lot of work to do before I finish the manuscript, so I'll probably write a novel when I've forgotten all about it (laughs).


How about "Yuffie's Trail" and the others that are still in the works?


Nojima: Except for Yuffie, all the others are going to be uncles. ...... Is that okay? Vincent might be interesting.


Finally, do you have any words for the fans of the "Final Fantasy VII" series?


Nojima: Thank you for loving this game for so long, since 1997. There are also many people who have never played FFVII Remake before. The series will continue in the future, so please continue to support us. "We hope you enjoy FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE Traces of Two Pasts and can't wait for the next installment.






* I don’t think “prequel” is the correct translation here. Denshi jisho offers no matches for the word 前日譚的.

** I don’t know what this sentence is trying to say, exactly.
 

Eerie

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Nojima: We're not going to reveal any mysteries, but we're going to fill in the gaps in time that aren't told in the games.

I knew it, that's why Zack's story is for later!

Nojima: There are times when I devote too many pages to the background setting and the story doesn't progress at all (laughs).

I know that feeling too well :wacky:

Also, thanks to streaming services, we have much more opportunities to watch films. With this film, too, I was thinking that there might be an opportunity to make it into a film, like the Denzel episode in On the Way to a Smile, so I was careful to make the scenes come alive.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! It's interesting that they've realised how easy it would be to adapt the novellas into short movies/animes. At least it's on their minds!

How about "Yuffie's Trail" and the others that are still in the works?


Nojima: Except for Yuffie, all the others are going to be uncles. ...... Is that okay? Vincent might be interesting.

I can't say I'm not curious :awesome:

In other news, the part where Tifa will meet with Zangan is going to be soon released. There's some hilarious stuff in it, Nojima sure has a good sense of humour :) Also maybe you have missed this, but Peko has reunited the first pages translated into one post in Tumblr so that it'd be easier to track down.
 

Eerie

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Double posting, Peko just finished the Zangan part! And Zangan is an instant fave!

Before placing others beneath you, it’s important to know yourself first. The best way of training in hand-to-hand combat is to face yourself. Because how can one place value on someone else without even knowing oneself? Without having a reference point on which to form your judgement, your standards for evaluation may change depending on your feelings, mood, or even the weather. From that place of ambiguity, it’s easy to misjudge society, no?

And that is SO CLOUD. I see what you did there Nojima :D
 

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Audrey has also posted translations to that interview here:

This bit with the double asterisks above:
It's not really a contrivance, but I was careful not to let the story waver.** There are so many settings and backgrounds that you want to tell that they often seem to take centre stage. Yes.

Was translated to:
I made sure not to convolute the story. There were just so many concepts and environments that I wanted to portray that those elements itself practically became the protagonists
I guess he just meant he just had to be careful that the side characters / side stories didn't become the main story, instead of Aerith and Tifa lol

Nojima: Except for Yuffie, all the others are going to be uncles. ...... Is that okay? Vincent might be interesting
Interesting. I wonder if he ever looked at Hiroki Chiba's work for DoC and thought...Well, that's not how I would have done it. :P

Also interesting that he cited Ferdiand Von Schirach / short crime as inspiration. I really was wondering what was the reason for the sector territory conflicts and the Gainsborough mob connection :D

Before placing others beneath you, it’s important to know yourself first. The best way of training in hand-to-hand combat is to face yourself. Because how can one place value on someone else without even knowing oneself? Without having a reference point on which to form your judgement, your standards for evaluation may change depending on your feelings, mood, or even the weather. From that place of ambiguity, it’s easy to misjudge society, no?
I'm not sure if this is specifically about Cloud, because martial arts...or even competitive sports revolve around the concept of turning inwards to review your own capabilities, and the point of intense training is always to beat your own personal best (timing, lifts, etc.) not just blindly trying to win competitions...or beat other people. The lead in to this in the story was:

“My arch-enemy? Who would that be?”

“You, yourself. Your own weaknesses. Now you’re at an age where you have some knowledge of yourself. Let’s see… For example, what if you were to think to yourself, ‘I hate my father, and grownups, and my friends make me mad too. Why can’t they understand me? I’m special, so naturally they should know how I feel.’ You may begin to look down on everyone around you.”
Which is cute. Because young Tifa is having a teenage Karate Kid meets Mr. Miyagi moment.

Thanks for the link @Eerie and @odekopeko! Looking forward to the rest.
 

Eerie

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It can't be helped that Zangan is citing word for word Cloud's feelings and reactions there. Martial arts can be competitive, no question, and Tifa is learning there to face her own weaknesses, but Cloud refuses to do this until the Lifestream scene. We have to remember that Kitase (I think?) deemed this book as the backbone of Remake. And that Tifa part is literally yelling at us "look this is for the Lifestream scene!" - it's absolutely not a mistake. The leading to that is ALSO Cloud's persona:

“You, yourself. Your own weaknesses. Now you’re at an age where you have some knowledge of yourself. Let’s see… For example, what if you were to think to yourself, ‘I hate my father, and grownups, and my friends make me mad too. Why can’t they understand me? I’m special, so naturally they should know how I feel.’ You may begin to look down on everyone around you.”

Cloud has a fake persona because he literally doesn't want to face his shortcomings, his failures (or what he considers them to be failures). It's a huuuuuuuuuuge plot point and Zangan is pointing at it. I don't think we really need to argue that Nojima's pointing at Cloud while doing that and showing that Tifa trained to strengthen herself, facing those shortcomings herself which will make her strong enough to help Cloud in the Lifestream?
 

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Agree, I think that's a pretty hard nod at what happened to Cloud. He wasn't able to face his shortcomings and started to delude himself into thinking that all his problems are stemming from the fact that he is special so no one can understand him, which lead to him starting to look down on the other kids. If he actually realized who he really was (just some kid with low self esteem and anger issues) lots of things would have been turned out differently
 

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Eerie said:
I don't think we really need to argue that Nojima's pointing at Cloud while doing that and showing that Tifa trained to strengthen herself, facing those shortcomings herself which will make her strong enough to help Cloud in the Lifestream?
I'm not arguing that Tifa does all those this for Cloud, and yes, the translation does use word for word some of the things Cloud goes through regarding identity and self. And yes, perhaps the writer is breaking the 3rd wall to kind of hint hint nudge nudge the Lifestream event.

But my take is that liner also is generally applied to what teens go through - I'm so special / my parents don't understand me / No one understands me / everyone sucks / woe is me. And it's written that it flies above Tifa's head cos she doesn't really understand it - until she goes through martial arts training herself.

Aerith says this after retelling her story:
“Yup, I admit it. My rebellious phase made things worse. I didn’t have things to pour my heart and soul into, unlike you, Tifa.”

“I really recommend exercising.”

and also:
HayashiNagisa said:
There was a big portion about Tifa and her training to become a martial artist
Zangan-Ryu help shape Tifa physically and mentally. As a teenage girl growing up, it help her to deal with her anger and confusion

Brian Lockhart is actually very supportive of his daughter, even became her sparring partner (under Zangan's guidance)

And it's good, because he wrote how both the girls went through their teens differently. Aerith went on a teenage rebellion against her mother and ran away from home. Tifa is shown to temper these emotions via training, and goes on to develop mental maturity that guided her through a rough Midgar because of Mr. Miyagi, uh, Zangan. And we all know how Cloud spent his pre-teens / teens: Developing an inferiority complex and making big claims to impress a girl. Cos that's what teenage boys do.

Again, not diminishing what Cloud is to Tifa. Just sayin' it's good character building for Tifa - herself. Without linking everything she does or is said about her to have some automatic romantic connotation to Cloud.

And side note, because of this, I also think ToTP is better reading than Case of Denzel...I remember thinking Denzel doesn't sound his age, but Aerith and Tifa have a sense of childishness around them, which is befitting.
 
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Eerie

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No, I agree that it's a great character building for Tifa, but that doesn't mean it's not pointing at Cloud's problem - it is. It's not a maybe when Zangan says word for word what Cloud tells Tifa in the Lifestream. It also shows Tifa's fortitude and inner strength and how she became such a strong character, able to support the weak (emotionally) Cloud. One doesn't mean the other isn't there. It's "and" and not "or" in this case. This happens, but it's also a pointer to this that will happen in the future. It was written in such a transparent way because the readers are supposed to make the connection - at least those who played the OG.
 

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Say @odekopeko I have a question about this part of your ToTP translation:

He said something but Tifa couldn’t hear it. She tilted her head to the side. The motion caused Cloud to dash off, and she instinctively chased after him.

She stopped just as they were about to bump into each other, and Cloud quickly mumbled, “Midnight. At the Water Tower.”

“Okay.”

but Nagisas version goes like this:

their eyes met, and Tifa was surprised because he almost always look away when their eyes met

Cloud's lips moved, but Tifa couldn't hear, so she ask. Cloud all of sudden move closer to her, so close he almost bump into her and speak very loudly: [Midnight, at the water tower] and he speaks very fast

Tifa reply yes, and Cloud quickly ran away


so I'm wondering which version of events is the correct one?
 

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@a_apple 2.0 I reread the page and I may have misread the line, so thank you for bringing it up. Nagisa’s is correct. This part will have to be revised. When she tilted her head, confused because she couldn’t hear, it caused Cloud to move very quickly towards her and Tifa got scared and almost ran away from him. Here is the page for reference and I marked the line where it begins and ends, and I’ve also attached the corrected translations as well, which I have posted on tumblr.
 

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@a_apple 2.0 I reread the page and I may have misread the line, so thank you for bringing it up. Nagisa’s is correct. This part will have to be revised. When she tilted her head, confused because she couldn’t hear, it caused Cloud to move very quickly towards her and Tifa got scared and almost ran away from him. Here is the page for reference and I marked the line where it begins and ends, and I’ve also attached the corrected translations as well, which I have posted on tumblr.
Yeah that makes much more sense, thank you for translating this:D
I have another question Is Cloud actually mumbling when he tells Tifa to meet him at the watertower or is he shouting? Because just from the way how the scene plays out I would think that he would try to get it all out in one rush :mon:
 

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Which is cute. Because young Tifa is having a teenage Karate Kid meets Mr. Miyagi moment.
Wow. If only Cloud had a mentor too like Zangan to her (and Angeal to Zack). Tifa is insecure too at some points just like Cloud so I can imagine she could turn worse without Zangan. Cloud saw Sephiroth (and later Zack) as role models, but did they mentor him? Nope. Tifa was much luckier.

Cloud has a fake persona because he literally doesn't want to face his shortcomings, his failures (or what he considers them to be failures). It's a huuuuuuuuuuge plot point and Zangan is pointing at it.
Man, now I can't wait for Lifestream sequence, so this is why Tifa could understand Cloud the most and help him to face his weakness.
 

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Btw, the Zerith in me wonders....
All the time I always think that the moment of CC ending when Aerith could sense Zack is dying is similar to how she could sense Clay's death but then it doesnt fit so.... is it the same as Marcellus?

Also, I read in wiki about Aerith telling Kyrie that her parents died. But I never read TKAA, is that information true?
 
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Btw, the Zerith in me wonders....
All the time I always think that the moment of CC ending when Aerith could sense Zack is dying is similar to how she could sense Clay's death but then it doesnt fit so.... is it the same as Marcellus?

Also, I read in wiki about Aerith telling Kyrie that her parents died. But I never read TKAA, is that information true?

Yes, Aerith sensed the death of Kyrie's parents, but the author didn't digress much into it. There's a fan translation on this website too:

“Well…” Kyrie replied. “There’s a crumbling church in the slums, where we played together. We did things like pretending to hold wedding ceremonies. Aerith was always in the church, taking care of the flowers on her own. Sometimes we talked about it. One day, Aerith told me to go home quickly. I thought she was being mean, because I stepped on her flowers.”
“Oh, the flowers. She was pretty fussy about those flowers.”
“When I got home in a bad mood, my parent’s bodies were being carried to the house.”
“That’s—”
“I heard it from my grandmother. About the lifestream and the Ancients. I thought it was just a fairytale at the time, but after that— I figured Aerith was an ancient.”
“When was this?”
“When I was 10. I think Aerith was a little older. Hey, what do you think I said when I met Aerith after that?”

ToTP explains that her Cetra powers weakened over the years. When she sensed Clyde and Marcellus she was still a little kid and according to TKAA she was 15 when she sensed the death of Kyrie's parents. So I think it's consistent the fact that she couldn't understand why Zack had disappeared or why she didn't have a more detailed vision when he died. At the end of the day her powers won't fully resurface until she gets to the Temple of the Ancients (at least for the OG, in the Remake she seems to be more conscious and powerful).
 

eleamaya

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ToTP explains that her Cetra powers weakened over the years. When she sensed Clyde and Marcellus she was still a little kid and according to TKAA she was 15 when she sensed the death of Kyrie's parents. So I think it's consistent the fact that she couldn't understand why Zack had disappeared or why she didn't have a more detailed vision when he died. At the end of the day her powers won't fully resurface until she gets to the Temple of the Ancients
I know the part that she tells Tifa that even when she could no longer do this but.... Couldn't be Zack an exception? Because her feeling for him is stronger than the people she ever sensed regardless of her age?
I mean, her line "I hate the sky because it carries away everyone I love" is confirmed referred to both Ifalna and Zack so at least, she knew.
Damn, Nojima cut the part when she's supposed to tell Tifa about Zack. I'm sure she'd like to tell Tifa till that part of the story when he dies.

But you're right. In Zack's case, maybe she just doesnt know the location where he's dying, she cant see the environment around him like when she's sensing Marcellus and Kyrie's parents. Damn, could you feel how depressed it is? She knew Zack was dying but she cant tell people to save him because she dunno where he is. And at that moment, she realized he's finally gone but not wanting to seek confirmation from the Turks and too afraid to hear the painful truth.
 
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Eerie

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I mean, her line "I hate the sky because it carries away everyone I love" is confirmed referred to both Ifalna and Zack so she knew.

I always thought it was quite clear that she makes that remark because she just understood, after seeing Zack carrying Cloud, that she wouldn't be able to meet up with him again, that he was dead, whether she could save him or not.

And clearly the Zack part is the juicy part that will be discovered in game, so! :) That can't be told in the book!
 
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