SPOILERS Ways to ruin part 2 and beyond

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I suppose now would be a bad time to admit Genesis is at the top of my list for "person who semi-reset the timeline"?

Mainly because Sephiroth and Aerith problematic for a bunch of reasons. Sephiroth because why wait until after AC to go back when he could just do it after he "lost" in the OG. Aerith because I can't see her wanting everyone to go through all the trauma that was the OG again when the conclusion of AC/DoC is that everyone (including the Planet) is more or less fine.

Genesis deciding that the Planet is messed up and this wasn't how things were supposed to go though? Oh yeah, I can see it. And he's even on the side of the Planet so I can see the Planet okaying it because neither the Planet or Genesis have a personal stake in how it turned out for everyone else.

Granted, I really think would mess with with the theme of the OG story... but that's kinda already happened... so they might as well go the whole nine yards. Having Genesis running around trying to fix what he sees as problems and getting into AVALANCHE's way would a crazy way to go about it.

Watching Genesis bounce off of AVALANCHE (and potentially Zack) would make for some very entertaining cutscenes though. As would watching the fandom loosing its mind about the whole thing...

At this point, I'm thinking "SE might as well make this thing a comedy of disasters" if they are sticking with as nebulous a theme as "defy a destiny that might or might not have actually been you Destiny".
 
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ExampleZ said:
I wish I could believe that, but didn't they already confirm the existence of Genesis and Angeal when Hojo mentioned G-type SOLDIERs?
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How does the confirmation of G-Type SOLDIERs imply that Genesis is coming into the Remake of FFVII?

The confirmation of that and it's continuity to CC and DC means that Genesis is in stasis deep below Midgar. Following its own story/canon Genesis can't be out and about unless they seemingly decide to just contradict what they've written.

And unless they suddenly decide to re-write and fixate on a side character not even in the top 75 of most popular FF characters, they'd have to start entering into talks with Gackt to use his face again and essentially pay him buckets of money. Money they could keep for their bottom line. Money that's not even necessary to hype a game that's one of the highest selling PS4 games of its history. Not to mention Gackt's a shade of his former popularity.

You'd more likely see BTS make a cameo in FFVII-R than Gackt at this point. This isn't 2006.
 
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Makoeyes987 said:
And unless they suddenly decide to re-write and fixate on a side character not even in the top 75 of most popular FF characters, they'd have to start entering into talks with Gackt to use his face again and essentially pay him buckets of money
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Is Square Enix contractually obligated to use Gackt as Genesis again? If not, I'm sure they could find someone else who looks similar.
 
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I love Crisis Core, but would have limited patience for certain aforementioned characters appearing in Remake II. I think it stems from the fact I like those characters within the context of Crisis Core's tone and mood. It's melodrama without taking itself too seriously (or maybe it takes itself so seriously that it loops around again), and one can get invested for what it's worth. And that heartbreaking ending.

My expectations from Remake and OG VII are not really compatible with that. If Genesis shows up in Part II, I'm gonna turn off the console. (and then come back a few minutes later and probably keep playing trying to pretend the last five minutes didn't happen)

I would appreciate some nods to CC, though. If Cissnei is a minor character and if Aeris mentions various memories with Zack, I would happily welcome those.
 
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Prism said:
I would appreciate some nods to CC, though.
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That is all I'm talking about with including Genesis in the remake. Having him as a full on side character would definitely be drifting too far from the story of FF7.
 
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This thread really throws into relief my confusion about what the Remake is going for with its Compilation references. Like, I get that even mentioning something in passing is enough to drive fans into an orgy of declaring that this or that must therefore be canon. But I also know how developers/creators tend to see these things. They've kept to morsels and breadcrumbs when the Remake presents ample opportunities to go all-in on Compilation content.

The subject of the mutability of canon relative to how seriously fans take it could keep me typing all day, but it intrigues me that the Remake kept the Compilation nebulous in places where it might've gone specific. So far, we've mostly had stuff that falls between plausibly deniable Easter egg (S and G cells, for instance) and something that could be a Compilation reference but could also just be seen as elaborating VII's plot (a larger Avalanche, labs under the slums). It's sort of like the "Final Fantasy X is definitely a prequel to VII" debate but, like, internally. I'd describe their approach so far as "cake and eat it" territory.

That alone is enough to make me wonder about Genesis and the entire raft of Compilation content going forward. I assume they'll get bolder about the Compilation as they move deeper into the Remake, but if they keep on their current trajectory, we might hear someone repeat an urban legend about one of Sephiroth's contemporaries and that'll be that. And I wouldn't hold my breath if I wanted to declare the entire Compilation canon to the Remake per se (I mean, there are already a ton of retcons to VII's world, for starters).
 
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Fade said:
This thread really throws into relief my confusion about what the Remake is going for with its Compilation references. Like, I get that even mentioning something in passing is enough to drive fans into an orgy of declaring that this or that must therefore be canon. But I also know how developers/creators tend to see these things. They've kept to morsels and breadcrumbs when the Remake presents ample opportunities to go all-in on Compilation content.

The subject of the mutability of canon relative to how seriously fans take it could keep me typing all day, but it intrigues me that the Remake kept the Compilation nebulous in places where it might've gone specific. So far, we've mostly had stuff that falls between plausibly deniable Easter egg (S and G cells, for instance) and something that could be a Compilation reference but could also just be seen as elaborating VII's plot (a larger Avalanche, labs under the slums). It's sort of like the "Final Fantasy X is definitely a prequel to VII" debate but, like, internally. I'd describe their approach so far as "cake and eat it" territory.

That alone is enough to make me wonder about Genesis and the entire raft of Compilation content going forward. I assume they'll get bolder about the Compilation as they move deeper into the Remake, but if they keep on their current trajectory, we might hear someone repeat an urban legend about one of Sephiroth's contemporaries and that'll be that. And I wouldn't hold my breath if I wanted to declare the entire Compilation canon to the Remake per se (I mean, there are already a ton of retcons to VII's world, for starters).
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The references are subtle in their presentation but the Remake Ultimania and creators themselves explicitly state that the laboratory under Sector 7 is Deepground, the Headquarters AVALANCHE we see in the Remake are remnants from Before Crisis, and etc etc. The writers aren't denying anything about the Compilation lol They're just using the references and plot points from the Compilation in a measured way. They're only using what's appropriate and not just trying to inject randomness into the story that would unduly distract from the plot itself.

An urban legend on "G" being referenced by someone is about what I'd expect in reference to Genesis, and that's it. That would be the most sensical type of reference. And I wouldn't expect such a thing to happen until we inevitably come back to Midgar near the end of the saga.

On another note...I never understood why people would think Genesis would show up in the next part of the Remake when it literally takes place beyond Midgar, and goes further away from it. If for some reason he were to appear, it would be in Midgar where he's actually sealed up. It would make even less sense for Genesis to magically appear in like, the Mythril Mines lol.
 
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No no, they're called "Headquarters." They're the "Headquarters" of AVALANCHE. No we don't see the location of said headquarters lol
 
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They're the main group of AVALANCHE that Barret's group split off from. You know, the ones that came in and bailed out Biggs, Wedge, and Cloud when Shinra overwhelmed them. They're the ones that look like the BC AVALANCHE members, because that's who they are.
 
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- Genesis is revealed as the real master villain. Part 2 actually opens with this revelation...we see Sephiroth kneeling to him, and Genesis turns and looks to the camera, then starts howling with laughter until he cries. Slowly the screen fades out and the title of the game appears: Final Fantasy VII Remake Part 2: The Return.

- Part 2 consists of Kalm (fleshed out with a lot of sidequests about water filters and accountancy work) and Junon, and then ends.

- It slowly becomes apparent that the plot is now about Sephiroth ripping portals to alternate timelines to defeat the team. Every time they travel the Back to the Future theme song plays.

- The final battle takes place where various timelines all converge and Genesis has turned into a megaboss. Cloud teams up with Alternate Zack and Edge of Creation Roth to bring Genesis down.
 
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