What should have changed that didn't?

[Defade]

I would have liked to have seen a bit of dialogue that was in the extras on the original AC dvd make its way onto the ACC cut. In the extra's, just before Cloud goes in for the final charge to lay out omnislash v.5, he says to Sephiroth something to the effect of "When I was a boy I looked up to you, etc." I think that keeping that line in would've been a nice addition to the dynamic of the fight.

Any idea where I can see/hear this extra thing? I've been intrigued by it ever since someone used that "When I was a boy..." line in a cracked up version of Seph and Cloud's battle. I also read on 2ch that an AC extra had Cloud saying "Please don't bother." when Seph offers his 'gift of despair'. Is this from the same extra?

A little picking with the sword, or throwing Spiky around.

Despite myself, I have to agree. A lot.

I guess I'm a sadist after all.O_O;

 

[ForceStealer]

Any idea where I can see/hear this extra thing? I've been intrigued by it ever since someone used that "When I was a boy..." line in a cracked up version of Seph and Cloud's battle. I also read on 2ch that an AC extra had Cloud saying "Please don't bother." when Seph offers his 'gift of despair'. Is this from the same extra?

Yes, the deleted scenes of the NA Special Edition release of AC. The I used to look up to you line replaced the "I pity you...there's not a thing I don't cherish!" and really didn't fit the scene or supplement the story at all.

The other one you mention is when Sephiroth "I've thought of a wonderful present for you." Cloud gets a second jump off a random spire and says "Don't be so generous!"


And picking with a sword and throwing Spiky around already happens in that scene. I mean I guess you mean a little more, but its not like the scene doesn't already feature Cloud getting summarily crushed.

 

[holdthesun]

they should have added more interaction from AVALANCHE in the Sierra, rooting for Cloud stuff while he was fighting Seph, well at least for the time when he was all down and bleeding.... That really was a let down.

 

[ForceStealer]

But...if they could see Cloud when he was down and bleeding, I'd like to think they'd do more than cheer for him. Ramming Sephiroth with the airship comes to mind.

...that'd actually be kinda funny.

 

[Cthulhu]

they should have added more interaction from AVALANCHE in the Sierra, rooting for Cloud stuff while he was fighting Seph, well at least for the time when he was all down and bleeding.... That really was a let down.

They should do a completely new movie that focuses more on those characters and less on new characters. You know, background story and more introduction that coming falling out of the sky literally.

 

[holdthesun]

But...if they could see Cloud when he was down and bleeding, I'd like to think they'd do more than cheer for him. Ramming Sephiroth with the airship comes to mind.

...that'd actually be kinda funny.

you actually bring up a good point, or better an excuse for SE not including those scenes. Sephiroth brought that storm and everything, so Sierra might have just backed off to avoid damage to the ship, or they couldn't really see what was going on.

But, yeah, some AVALANCHE action would have been interesting. I actually had hopes Barret would have the initiative to do something about it, since he said something along the lines of "hummm, he's got ten minutes", so I hoped they'd play with that a little in ACC, but alas.

But hey, they could have at least shown Tifa showing a little concern for Cloud being tourmented over there. Don't tell me about the "Oh, Cloud!!11" after the explosion, that response just seemed rediculous after what Cloud had already gone through

 

[Max Payne]

But...if they could see Cloud when he was down and bleeding, I'd like to think they'd do more than cheer for him. Ramming Sephiroth with the airship comes to mind.

...that'd actually be kinda funny.

I wanted to see Cloud finish Omnislash by stabbing Sefiros in the back like he did last time, and say "Do you remember this pain?"

 

[holdthesun]

I wanted to see Cloud finish Omnislash by stabbing Sefiros in the back like he did last time, and say "Do you remember this pain?"

got to say, that would've been pretty epic

 

[Tiefenrausch]

they should have added more interaction from AVALANCHE in the Sierra, rooting for Cloud stuff while he was fighting Seph, well at least for the time when he was all down and bleeding.... That really was a let down.

Good point. They just flew a bit away, avoiding the storm, but not without discussing about "Could Kadaj turn into a new Sephiroth, could this happen, could that happen?" They were a bit too uninterested and certain Cloud would win the fight.
In my point of view I'd rather see the AVALANCHE group jumping down and supporting Chocobohead, instead of this weird talk with Zack in the kingdom-come. o_O

 

[Makoeyes987]

That defeats the entire point of Cloud and Sephiroth having a final showdown, one-on-one. It'd just be them defeating Sephiroth again as a team like the final fight in FFVII.

The whole damn point was for Cloud to defeat Sephiroth alone again and put his nemesis and representation of his terrible past to rest.

 

[Max Payne]

That defeats the entire point of Cloud and Sephiroth having a final showdown, one-on-one. It'd just be them defeating Sephiroth again as a team like the final fight in FFVII.

The whole damn point was for Cloud to defeat Sephiroth alone again and put his nemesis and representation of his terrible past to rest.

What about my idea? Sephiroth got his throwback to his first encounter to Cloud, why shouldn't Cloud get his?

Stabbing him in the back in the same manner at the end of Omnislash with the added commentary would have been baddass to the max.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I wasn't refuting your idea, I actually think that'd be pretty lulz worthy and awesome.

But it also seems a bit unlike Cloud. That's a bit too sadistic for him. I couldn't see Cloud doing something like stabbing in the back and gloating over Sephiroth. It'd be awesome though.

The only reason he stabbed Sephy in the back the first time was because of sheer rage and necessity. Just in case you say, "he did it before!"

 

[Max Payne]

It's not gloating.

It's payback bitch. Sefiros did it to him seconds ago, so he'd do it to him in return.

 

[Tennyo]

I think Cloud doing a sort of reenactment of the Nibelheim reactor would be awesome, but I agree that it just doesn't seem like something he would do.

 

[Max Payne]

Then you're wrong.

 

[Tennyo]

Maybe if Cloud were to be sure that it would enable him to actually defeat Seph he might, but it just seems like it would take too much playing around in a sadistic way. Cloud would rather end the fight, then perhaps comment on stuff after he's already won.

 

[Max Payne]

Stop embarrassing yourself little girl.

I have the high ground.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Cloud's not like Sephiroth - that's the whole point.

 

[Max Payne]

Because making a comment after defeating his foe is so unlike him huh

Cloud beating Sephiroth and letting him know he's won is already in the film. It's not like he'd be pulling out his entrails and yelling DIE SEPHIROTH YOU'RE A PIECE OF INFERIOR GARBAGE.

ffs people you're no fun. At all.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

It's not like he'd be pulling out his entrails and yelling DIE SEPHIROTH YOU'RE A PIECE OF INFERIOR GARBAGE.

My kinda movie right there

Besides, stabbing him in the back is nowhere near as badass as facing him. I mean, it'd make Cloud look like a pussy. It was fine in the past, cause he kinda was, but not after saving the world.

Not to mention he only got that because Sephiroth was starring at Jenova's boobs and not paying any attention. It's just not epic man.

I say stab him and drop him down several feet. That ought to jog his memory.

 

[Max Payne]

I don't like you no more.

 

[looneymoon]

If it were up to me, after Kadaj turns into Seph, the rest of the Avalanch members would get their asses down there to help Cloud in an epic fight. Then, after all of them get quickly dismissed by Seph, Cloud and Seph go into the one-on-one. The Bahamut Sin fight was imo a little lackluster it terms of showing teamwork badassness.

and personally, I don't see anything wrong with Dacon's idea. Sometimes I feel Cloud acted a smidge too level-headed when he rebounded from Sephiroth's shoulderstab. Not that Cloud should go completely berserk or anything, but it would be a bit more realistic IMO given the circumstance.

 

[holdthesun]

there was this one other moment that I wished they do something about.

When Cloud flies after Bahamut with everyone boosting him so he would reach the thing, he comes across Tifa and Vince who are already waiting for Cloud at the top of that tower when they were at the very bottom just moments ago. It's just, they make this seem like such a challenging task for Cloud, and then Tifa flies out of nowhere and shows him the finger, when the last you saw her, moments ago, she was on the other end.

The scene seemed ridiculous until I kind of guessed it was Vince that did the flying and took Tifa along for the ride, so I wish they'd shown that, because at first it just looks like a plothole. But, looking at the positive side, at least that saved us from more of the Vincent+Tifa crap.

 

[I Am Not Me]

there was this one other moment that I wished they do something about.

When Cloud flies after Bahamut with everyone boosting him so he would reach the thing, he comes across Tifa and Vince who are already waiting for Cloud at the top of that tower when they were at the very bottom just moments ago. It's just, they make this seem like such a challenging task for Cloud, and then Tifa flies out of nowhere and shows him the finger, when the last you saw her, moments ago, she was on the other end.

The scene seemed ridiculous until I kind of guessed it was Vince that did the flying and took Tifa along for the ride, so I wish they'd shown that, because at first it just looks like a plothole. But, looking at the positive side, at least that saved us from more of the Vincent+Tifa crap.

You have a point there.

But I didn't see any Vincent+Tifa crap in ACC however.


I was also kind of wishing they fought with Cloud. I mean, what's with them standing back whenever Cloud comes into the action?

 

[holdthesun]

I was also kind of wishing they fought with Cloud. I mean, what's with them standing back whenever Cloud comes into the action?

I think it was fine they made the fight between Cloud and Sefiros a strictly 1-on-1 thing, tho they could have at least shown AVALANCHE reacting someway to what was going on. Or, if there were reasons for them bailing, at least show and explain those reasons, because at this rate, it just looks like a plot problem, and that it is.