Superespresso
The big lad
I'm just seeing FF7 lore everywhere. Also everyone run, loretime. Twilight you got a little sample of this last night so you know what we're about to get into. (Also that sounded better in my head than it did coming out.)
So first things first let's talk about this;
I seriously believe that Ardyn was born during the time of Solheim for a number of reasons. One, let's revisit the timeline established by the Ultimania-- even if it is rather lore-less.
So from what we see here, the nation of Solheim benefited from having airships and Magitek armor. From what we know of Nifelheim, Ardyn essentially bought his way in through that knowledge-- making Nifelheim the tehnological powerhouse it is today. Granted there's some Daemonic stuff going on to make it function like that, but that knowledge would have had to have come from someone of the Solheim time-- or with knowledge of ancient things in order for that to be true.
I don't believe the Armiger was a Solheim-exclusive deal, I mean, we see it in game with every king of Lucis that makes an appearance. We do see a lot of things in the timeline though that point to it being started in Solheim, or directly after its fall. Ardyn was, without a doubt the "King of Lucis who purged the 'planetscourge'" or at least contained it. That is a fairly major part of the plot.
Let's also look at a quote from the end of Chapter 13:
So, with that we can ascertain that Ardyn was at least of the Lucian time, and I have firm grounds to believe that with how many plot points fall on the timeline with Ardyn's story and himself-- that he would have most likely been the one to found Lucis itself. We don't exactly know how long the age of myth lasted, but with how broken up it is-- they're only going to tell us the important parts. It could have been days, months, years, who knows?
So with that being said we can revisit the earlier topic of Nifelheim and the Magiteks.
Ardyn would have had to have been from the Age of Myth in order to have this knowledge, as no one alive would have known about this. It wouldn't have just disappeared for over 2000 years only to come up now. Not to mention-- the depicted artwork of the gods and ancient legends all point to Ardyn being the first one chosen by the crystal. That's not to say that he's the first KING at all-- I still stand by the belief that he wasn't the first Solheim king, but I do believe he was the last.
So here's another thing I'd like to discuss, the crystal and magic:
".....Only one of the Lucian Royal Line may utilize this, but if packed within a magic flask, it allows the power to be shared in a psuedo manner."
Short and sweet bit because we know how I like to paraphrase to catch the majority of ideas. So in our last fight with Ardyn, we see he not only has the ability to warp, use an armiger, and use the crystal's power, but he has the ability to use magic unhindered. The only way he'd have these abilities is if he was at some point a King of Lucis, or before.
Again from the ancient era:
Thus we have overwhelming evidence that Ardyn is indeed from the ancient era and by extension, Solheim.
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Bonus:
So first things first let's talk about this;
I don't believe the Armiger is necessarily related to kings from Solheim. Based on the way the History of Eos timeline broke things down, I also think Ardyn was born long after Solheim fell. While 2000 years in the past is still ancient relative to Noctis's time, the timeline seems to me to establish a differentiation between what it calls the "Ancient Times/Age of Myth" and the era "approximately 2000 years ago."
I seriously believe that Ardyn was born during the time of Solheim for a number of reasons. One, let's revisit the timeline established by the Ultimania-- even if it is rather lore-less.
•The ancient civilization Solheim thrives
•Its prosperity as a technological civilization includes airships and Magitek Armor.
So from what we see here, the nation of Solheim benefited from having airships and Magitek armor. From what we know of Nifelheim, Ardyn essentially bought his way in through that knowledge-- making Nifelheim the tehnological powerhouse it is today. Granted there's some Daemonic stuff going on to make it function like that, but that knowledge would have had to have come from someone of the Solheim time-- or with knowledge of ancient things in order for that to be true.
I don't believe the Armiger was a Solheim-exclusive deal, I mean, we see it in game with every king of Lucis that makes an appearance. We do see a lot of things in the timeline though that point to it being started in Solheim, or directly after its fall. Ardyn was, without a doubt the "King of Lucis who purged the 'planetscourge'" or at least contained it. That is a fairly major part of the plot.
Let's also look at a quote from the end of Chapter 13:
Unharmed by the Light. The Chosen King indeed. Allow me to regale you with a tale. In an age long past, an incurable scourge ravaged mankind. A tiny menace that twisted men into monsters, the likes which you've seen. In Lucis lived a savior that could cure the afflicted. His body would come to host myriad daemons. That countless lives be spared. But a jealous king, one not yet chosen by the Crystal, ostracized and demonized this healer of the people. Making a true monster of him. I gave you my name earlier, but you should know that it was not the name given to me at birth. Ardyn Lucis Caelum is my proper name. You'll never guess whose name Izunia was. Noct, killing you as a mortal will bring me scant satisfaction. Claim the Crystals power. Arise as its champion. Only once the Crystal and King are no more... can I know redemption. Come back soon. I shall keep your friends company until you are ready.
So, with that we can ascertain that Ardyn was at least of the Lucian time, and I have firm grounds to believe that with how many plot points fall on the timeline with Ardyn's story and himself-- that he would have most likely been the one to found Lucis itself. We don't exactly know how long the age of myth lasted, but with how broken up it is-- they're only going to tell us the important parts. It could have been days, months, years, who knows?
So with that being said we can revisit the earlier topic of Nifelheim and the Magiteks.
M.E. 722 (34 years ago)
•Ardyn Izunia enters the Niflheim Empire. He proposes the development of the Magitek Troopers
Ardyn would have had to have been from the Age of Myth in order to have this knowledge, as no one alive would have known about this. It wouldn't have just disappeared for over 2000 years only to come up now. Not to mention-- the depicted artwork of the gods and ancient legends all point to Ardyn being the first one chosen by the crystal. That's not to say that he's the first KING at all-- I still stand by the belief that he wasn't the first Solheim king, but I do believe he was the last.
So here's another thing I'd like to discuss, the crystal and magic:
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".....Only one of the Lucian Royal Line may utilize this, but if packed within a magic flask, it allows the power to be shared in a psuedo manner."
Short and sweet bit because we know how I like to paraphrase to catch the majority of ideas. So in our last fight with Ardyn, we see he not only has the ability to warp, use an armiger, and use the crystal's power, but he has the ability to use magic unhindered. The only way he'd have these abilities is if he was at some point a King of Lucis, or before.
Again from the ancient era:
•As those chosen by divinity, some humans with unique attributes (special abilities) hold political authority
•Along with political power, the “King” has such powers as being able to summon weapons, and the “Oracle” has powers such as the Covenant and healing.
Thus we have overwhelming evidence that Ardyn is indeed from the ancient era and by extension, Solheim.
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Bonus:
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