FFXV story/spoiler discussion thread.

[The Twilight Mexican]

Ah... So it's not that the removal of this 'Safeiroth' fellow bumped up Ardyn's role to Villain, but rather his position as Chancellor is because that is the kind of job a villain would have. Good, that solves one headache of mine.

あと/ato can be a difficult word sometimes. Depending on how it's used, it can mean "also" or "after," and it's not always immediately clear which way to go since both takes on it originate from a sense of "something leftover."

Anywho, regardless of any errors made, I'd like to thank you contributing your efforts and getting the ball rolling, Superespresso!

Well put.

 

[Ryuman]

Ehhh, I don't like to imagine there was a point where Ardyn wasn't the main baddie, so I'll just go with the former

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Oh, I'm sure he always was. Just looking at the rest of the sentence, it's not a "this happened, then this happened" kind of thing.

 

[Superespresso]

Okay, let's see.

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帝国軍の揚陸艇などに書かれている「SAF」の文字は、当初登場する予定だったサフェイロス将軍の部隊を表すマークでした。彼は登場しなくなりましたが、文字は「かつて存在した名高い将軍を讃えている」という設定で残しています。あと、アーデンの役職は、悪役だからという理由で宰相にしました。宰相って、そういうイメージがあります。

The "SAF" letters inscribed on the imperial army's dropships[/landing boats], etc. are a marker representing the troops of a General Safeiroth[/Sapheiroth], who was supposed to appear at first. He no longer appears, but the letters remain within the world setting as something of a "tribute to a celebrated general who once existed." Also, Ardyn is the chancellor because of his role as the villain. That's kind of the chancellor image.

Ah... So it's not that the removal of this 'Safeiroth' fellow bumped up Ardyn's role to Villain, but rather his position as Chancellor is because that is the kind of job a villain would have. Good, that solves one headache of mine.

Anywho, regardless of any errors made, I'd like to thank you contributing your efforts and getting the ball rolling, Superespresso! I only hope the internet will move on from what it read first (As rare as such behaviour can be). An article on the site would go a long way, so I think Lex has the right idea.

I want to do whatever I can to fix it. It's not that my translation was wrong, it was the wording and context I assumed? I've posted on the blog I run that English is not my first language. It makes translating hard because even though I understand what I'm reading, I can hardly communicate in English properly as it is. Even speaking I have a lot of trouble and can't string thoughts or words together properly and I've spoken English for 24 years.

So I want nothing more than to fix this. The more hurtful things I see the worse I feel. I feel like I terribly messed up trying to translate things I found interesting. I'm so sorry to everyone who sees this. I didn't mean ill intent. I'm just so very happy Twilight Mexican extended a hand in good faith. Its probably the only reason I haven't deleted everything.

 

[Superespresso]

Oh, I'm sure he always was. Just looking at the rest of the sentence, it's not a "this happened, then this happened" kind of thing.

I don't know why this is even in the book. It's so silly and extra.

 

[Ryuman]

Hey man, don't beat yourself up about it. You just wanted to translate a couple things and it was taken out of your control. The NeoGAF thread discussing this stuff has already been corrected.

 

[Superespresso]

Hey man, don't beat yourself up about it. You just wanted to translate a couple things and it was taken out of your control. The NeoGAF thread discussing this stuff has already been corrected.

After mognet I don't want to make anymore accounts to defend myself, so thank you. If you see anyone angry please tell them I'm sorry.

 

[Random Nobody]

Girl, who gives a shit. No point in stressing, it's just a video game. If they're mad, they can be mad.

What I'm curious about is if there's anything in there that clarifies Ardyn's origins, because I've seen people interpreting the scene where he "explains" himself in both ways.

Spoiler: Zootopia's backstory

And I'm honestly not sure anymore (sike, I never was) if he was the wizard (or whatever the hell) or the king. I'd assume he was the king--hence the Lucis Caelum surname, but if it was him responsible for his own envious dumbassery, his motivation for plunging the world into darkness as "revenge" against the gods travels from trite all the way to incomprehensible. But then, if he was the wise man, who the fuck was that on the throne. I was under the impression that the royal line had remained the same for known history, because apparently in FF, snowy tarts lying around in canyons and distributing rocks is basis for a system of government.

I really don't know. Straight up, I am no longer qualified to discuss this game. That feeling I had after I finished it has just been magnified in the intervening weeks. Like someone just bashed me one good time in the head and all the information just fell the fuck out.

 

[Superespresso]

Girl, who gives a shit. No point in stressing, it's just a video game. If they're mad, they can be mad.

What I'm curious about is if there's anything in there that clarifies Ardyn's origins, because I've seen people interpreting the scene where he "explains" himself in both ways.

Spoiler: Zootopia's backstory

And I'm honestly not sure anymore (sike, I never was) if he was the wizard (or whatever the hell) or the king. I'd assume he was the king--hence the Lucis Caelum surname, but if it was him responsible for his own envious dumbassery, his motivation for plunging the world into darkness as "revenge" against the gods travels from trite all the way to incomprehensible. But then, if he was the wise man, who the fuck was that on the throne. I was under the impression that the royal line had remained the same for known history, because apparently in FF, snowy tarts lying around in canyons and distributing rocks is basis for a system of government.

I really don't know. Straight up, I am no longer qualified to discuss this game. That feeling I had after I finished it has just been magnified in the intervening weeks. Like someone just bashed me one good time in the head and all the information just fell the fuck out.

!!! A friend asked what ultimania pages I want and I requested a better History of Eos and all the information on Ardyn. So maybe soon! I'm hoping they get back to me tonight! I'll post them here first so you guys can help me!

 

[Ryuman]

Girl, who gives a shit. No point in stressing, it's just a video game. If they're mad, they can be mad.

What I'm curious about is if there's anything in there that clarifies Ardyn's origins, because I've seen people interpreting the scene where he "explains" himself in both ways.

Spoiler: Zootopia's backstory

And I'm honestly not sure anymore (sike, I never was) if he was the wizard (or whatever the hell) or the king. I'd assume he was the king--hence the Lucis Caelum surname, but if it was him responsible for his own envious dumbassery, his motivation for plunging the world into darkness as "revenge" against the gods travels from trite all the way to incomprehensible. But then, if he was the wise man, who the fuck was that on the throne. I was under the impression that the royal line had remained the same for known history, because apparently in FF, snowy tarts lying around in canyons and distributing rocks is basis for a system of government.

I really don't know. Straight up, I am no longer qualified to discuss this game. That feeling I had after I finished it has just been magnified in the intervening weeks. Like someone just bashed me one good time in the head and all the information just fell the fuck out.

This is what I think the game tries to convey with as few of my own presumptions as possible.

Spoiler

Long ago a scourge was set forth upon the civilisation of Solheim by the God of Fire, Ifrit. This caused what was known as The Great War of Old, waged among the Astrals. Among the mortals terrorised by this plague was Ardyn (Lucis Caelum). He was a man who, for whatever reason, possessed the ability to absorb Daemons and save the world. Ardyn was eventually vilified by a King named Izunia, jealous of the saviour- branding him a monster. Eventually this King gained the the Astrals' favour, and was granted the Crystal and the Ring, which he used to seemingly end the scourge. At the same time, a woman of the Fleuret family was chosen to become Oracle. After the blight, the 4 countries (Lucis, Tenebrae, Accordo and Niflheim) were established. Ardyn (Now immortal) swears revenge on the King's bloodline.

Going beyond this, I assumed that

Spoiler

-Ardyn and Izunia were not related and that they only stole each others names, but I'm really unsure.
-Ardyn sought revenge exclusively by fulfilling the prophecy so he could destroy the True King at the last moment and completely foil the Gods' ambitions. It should be noted that I hate the interpretation that Ardyn wanted to die.
-Ardyn was made immortal because of the daemons. But maybe it was a side-effect of his banishment by the King/Astrals or whatever. Who knows why he has magic powers beyond that.

But I'm not sure of Ardyn's relationship with the Astrals pre-Izunia. Maybe Ardyn had the crystal at one point too but I really doubt that.

That took much longer than I thought to type up and I may have forgot something, but there you go.

 

[Superespresso]

Girl, who gives a shit. No point in stressing, it's just a video game. If they're mad, they can be mad.

What I'm curious about is if there's anything in there that clarifies Ardyn's origins, because I've seen people interpreting the scene where he "explains" himself in both ways.

Spoiler: Zootopia's backstory

And I'm honestly not sure anymore (sike, I never was) if he was the wizard (or whatever the hell) or the king. I'd assume he was the king--hence the Lucis Caelum surname, but if it was him responsible for his own envious dumbassery, his motivation for plunging the world into darkness as "revenge" against the gods travels from trite all the way to incomprehensible. But then, if he was the wise man, who the fuck was that on the throne. I was under the impression that the royal line had remained the same for known history, because apparently in FF, snowy tarts lying around in canyons and distributing rocks is basis for a system of government.

I really don't know. Straight up, I am no longer qualified to discuss this game. That feeling I had after I finished it has just been magnified in the intervening weeks. Like someone just bashed me one good time in the head and all the information just fell the fuck out.

This is what I think the game tries to convey with as few of my own presumptions as possible.

Spoiler

Long ago a scourge was set forth upon the civilisation of Solheim by the God of Fire, Ifrit. This caused what was known as The Great War of Old, waged among the Astrals. Among the mortals terrorised by this plague was Ardyn (Lucis Caelum). He was a man who, for whatever reason, possessed the ability to absorb Daemons and save the world. Ardyn was eventually vilified by a King named Izunia, jealous of the saviour- branding him a monster. Eventually this King gained the the Astrals' favour, and was granted the Crystal and the Ring, which he used to seemingly end the scourge. At the same time, a woman of the Fleuret family was chosen to become Oracle. After the blight, the 4 countries (Lucis, Tenebrae, Accordo and Niflheim) were established. Ardyn (Now immortal) swears revenge on the King's bloodline.

Going beyond this, I assumed that

Spoiler

-Ardyn and Izunia were not related and that they only stole each others names, but I'm really unsure.
-Ardyn sought revenge exclusively by fulfilling the prophecy so he could destroy the True King at the last moment and completely foil the Gods' ambitions. It should be noted that I hate the interpretation that Ardyn wanted to die.
-Ardyn was made immortal because of the daemons. But maybe it was a side-effect of his banishment by the King/Astrals or whatever. Who knows why he has magic powers beyond that.

But I'm not sure of Ardyn's relationship with the Astrals pre-Izunia. Maybe Ardyn had the crystal at one point too but I really doubt that.

That took much longer than I thought to type up and I may have forgot something, but there you go.

Hmm...

Ardyn Ramblings:

Spoiler

I always assumed Ardyn was part of the Lucis Calem family, like royalty. The book so far just states he takes the name Izunia but doesn't say from who or how. I kind of think it's from someone he's related to but it's really, really hard to say.

As far as I believe, with the kind of ability and power Ardyn had, along with being fused with so many Daemons, he did want to die.. it's really, really heavily hinted at when he's helping noctis because there's only two possible outcomes. He does say at one point that he's tired of living.

Past that I don't really know much more about him. I think it's strange he has the power of an Oracle without being one. But he has to have had the 'rings power' at some point because he's able to use the armiger. So with that in mind he was definitely the king of Lucis at one point or another.

 

[Ryuman]

Hmm...

Ardyn Ramblings:

Spoiler

I always assumed Ardyn was part of the Lucis Calem family, like royalty. The book so far just states he takes the name Izunia but doesn't say from who or how. I kind of think it's from someone he's related to but it's really, really hard to say.

As far as I believe, with the kind of ability and power Ardyn had, along with being fused with so many Daemons, he did want to die.. it's really, really heavily hinted at when he's helping noctis because there's only two possible outcomes. He does say at one point that he's tired of living.

Past that I don't really know much more about him. I think it's strange he has the power of an Oracle without being one. But he has to have had the 'rings power' at some point because he's able to use the armiger. So with that in mind he was definitely the king of Lucis at one point or another.

Well...

Spoiler

I assumed they were unrelated and switched names, since Ardyn calls himself Izunia. The speech he gives Noctis greatly implies Izunia was the jealous King's name. I admit that sounds pretty weird though. My issue is that it isn't really implied that he and the King related anywhere beyond the assumption you can make in that conversation.

I'm sure deep down Ardyn finds his existence torturous, but I think his twisted mind and desire to destroy the Lucis line and prophecy outweighs it. I wrote about my feelings about the whole 'Ardyn planned on dying' theory before, so I'll just quote it:

Am I the only one that simply doesn't understand the position that so many people seem to have that (SPOILER) Ardyn wanted to die? This to me feels like the complete antithesis to Ardyn's character and goal. Yes, he wanted Noctis to be the true King, yes he wanted to end the line of Lucis- but I don't think fulfilling the prophecy was his choice of means. Ardyn was demonised by Izunia and forsaken by the Gods. The last thing I think he would want is to complete their plans and prove them right all along. He wanted to kill Noctis as King to stick it to those asshole Gods and live in some sort of satisfaction for what I guess would be all eternity. Ardyn losing to Noctis as King represents total humiliation before the Gods who had betrayed him all those years ago...
It just doesn't make sense to me. I never got the sense that Ardyn sought that kind of end. Did anyone here get that impression?

TL;DR- I never got the impression that Ardyn sought out his own end like that. Sure both outcomes meet the same goal, but I feel like that would be the last thing he'd want. Especially since it involves doing what the Astrals wanted.

Ardyn's power... I started considering whether or not the name 'Lucis Caelum' was just a name the Gods give to those they choose but that is mega-headcanon. I'm pretty sure the Ring and Crystal only work as a set; One channelling the other. The Cosmogony book talks about them both being bestowed upon the King with the Oracle, but I'm not sure it can be trusted since it doesn't contain the whole truth. (Side note- I wish there was a convenient collection of all the entries online). The Armiger thing is confusing though and I don't understand it much. I just kinda assumed it was part of the holy powers he possessed that he could still tap into for some reason (Seriously, why did the Astrals not neuter him?)

Again, sorry hit you with a ton of text.

 

[Blade]

Dualshockers needs to stop stealing others' work.

 

[Ryuman]

Dualshockers has always been a trash website.

 

[Lulcielid]

Dualshockers needs to stop stealing others' work.

If they credit the original poster work (which they did) then they're not stealing.

 

[Blade]

It's something called Permission. You don't just throw a name on there.

 

[Random Nobody]

Spoiler

-Ardyn was made immortal because of the daemons. But maybe it was a side-effect of his banishment by the King/Astrals or whatever. Who knows why he has magic powers beyond that.

But I'm not sure of Ardyn's relationship with the Astrals pre-Izunia. Maybe Ardyn had the crystal at one point too but I really doubt that.

That took much longer than I thought to type up and I may have forgot something, but there you go.

.........The fact that, between all of us, we still can't definitively sort the basics of the plot......Squeenix....sis.....

I was under the impression that

Spoiler

his immortality wasn't caused by the corruption directly, but was a side-effect of his rejection by the gods. A lot of FFXV's lore (and the worldbuilding) draws from Norse mythology, and certainly the emphasis on heroic sacrifice is in keeping with that. It would be a lot more apparent if the Lucians had remained death worshippers as they were in Versus, but the "tragedy" of his undeath seems to be (contextually) his inability to reach Helgafjell/Valhalla/the Twilight Zone/wherever the hell Noctis and Not Stella were in the end.

But your guess is as good as mine. And in any case, like you said, it still doesn't explain his genjutsu powers or his ability to stop (?) time.

 

[Ryuman]

I was under the impression that

Spoiler

his immortality wasn't caused by the corruption directly, but was a side-effect of his rejection by the gods. A lot of FFXV's lore (and the worldbuilding) draws from Norse mythology, and certainly the emphasis on heroic sacrifice is in keeping with that. It would be a lot more apparent if the Lucians had remained death worshippers as they were in Versus, but the "tragedy" of his undeath seems to be (contextually) his inability to reach Helgafjell/Valhalla/the Twilight Zone/wherever the hell Noctis and Not Stella were in the end.

But your guess is as good as mine. And in any case, like you said, it still doesn't explain his genjutsu powers or his ability to stop (?) time.

Those are good points, really. It could very well keep in connection with FNC lore in that regard, so you may be right. I feel more convinced anyway.

Speaking of, it's funny how interested in FNC lore I am despite not having played XIII. I mean, it was really part of what drew me in to Versus. I always thought the multi-game shared mythos stuff was a cool idea. Ah well, I'll have plenty chance to catch myself up with the big FF marathon I'm starting very soon in celebration the 30th anniversary

 

[Kuja9001]

I was under the impression that

Spoiler

his immortality wasn't caused by the corruption directly, but was a side-effect of his rejection by the gods. A lot of FFXV's lore (and the worldbuilding) draws from Norse mythology, and certainly the emphasis on heroic sacrifice is in keeping with that. It would be a lot more apparent if the Lucians had remained death worshippers as they were in Versus, but the "tragedy" of his undeath seems to be (contextually) his inability to reach Helgafjell/Valhalla/the Twilight Zone/wherever the hell Noctis and Not Stella were in the end.

But your guess is as good as mine. And in any case, like you said, it still doesn't explain his genjutsu powers or his ability to stop (?) time.

Those are good points, really. It could very well keep in connection with FNC lore in that regard, so you may be right. I feel more convinced anyway.

Speaking of, it's funny how interested in FNC lore I am despite not having played XIII. I mean, it was really part of what drew me in to Versus. I always thought the multi-game shared mythos stuff was a cool idea. Ah well, I'll have plenty chance to catch myself up with the big FF marathon I'm starting very soon in celebration the 30th anniversary

Welcome to the club.

Before I got invested in XIII, I read all of the ultimania info first.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I was under the impression that

Spoiler

his immortality wasn't caused by the corruption directly, but was a side-effect of his rejection by the gods.

I suppose what

Spoiler

Bahamut says in English could be read either way, really: "A man cursed with life eternal, whose immortality stems from the selfsame scourge that wrought the daemons. One so impure of body and soul was deemed unworthy of the Crystal’s Light, and forbidden to ascend."

Sooo, I did something I've been doing a lot -- I consulted the original Japanese dialogue.

シガイの元凶たる虫を取り込み星に害をなす力で不老不死となったもの。その汚れた身体を聖石に拒まれ王位に就くことなく葬られた愚かな男

"He who absorbed the parasites that are the cause of the daemons, and became immortal by that power that injures the planet. A foolish man who was rejected by the Holy Stone for that unclean body and was buried without ascending to the throne."

Well. That's quite revelatory about a couple of things.

But your guess is as good as mine. And in any case, like you said, it still doesn't explain his genjutsu powers or his ability to stop (?) time.

I just attributed that to "has absorbed a lot of magic crap."

Spoiler

The Cosmogony book talks about them both being bestowed upon the King with the Oracle, but I'm not sure it can be trusted since it doesn't contain the whole truth. (Side note- I wish there was a convenient collection of all the entries online).

Does

Spoiler

this document not contain them all? How many are there?

Side note of my own: You'll remember that I've made it a point to identify the Japanese terminology for a lot of things the English translation attached its own terms to, including stuff related to the gods (e.g. "Astrals" and "The Six"). Even though the final game doesn't use this term, I decided to have a look at the Tokyo Game Show trailer from 2014 that saw, in its official dubs and subs from SE, the meteor outside Lestallum referred to as an "astral shard":

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Spoiler: English dub

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Spoiler: Japanese audio with English subs

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Spoiler: English audio with Spanish subs (official SE Spain YouTube channel); here, "astral shard" becomes "fragmento astral," which means the same thing

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Spoiler: Japanese audio only

In Japanese, Ignis's response to Prompto was simply 神話の時代の隕石だ/Shinwa no jidai no inseki da -- "It's a meteorite from an era of myth."

Ironically enough, though, 神話の隕石/"shinwa no inseki" is what Ignis refers to it as at the start of the "Pilgrimage" (English)/聖地巡礼 ("Pilgrimage to Sacred Places"; Japanese) subquest if the player has Noctis agree to go see the Disc of Cauthess before the story actually requires you go there. Unlike the dubbed and subbed TGS 2014 trailer, this scene in the English localization of the final game sees Ignis refer to the site with a more straightforward translation -- "the meteor of legend":

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Spoiler: In English

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Spoiler: In Japanese

And for good measure on in-game references to the gods/Astrals, before we close things out, the subquest for Vyv called "Aftermath of the Astral War" in the English localization is simply 神代の魔大戦 in Japanese. 神代 is "age of the gods," and 魔大戦 is what the English localization calls "the Great War of Old" (it's literally "Magic Great War"), so maybe think of the subequest title as something like "Great War of Old in the Age of the Gods."

Videos for those too, of course:

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Spoiler: In English

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Spoiler: In Japanese

And now I leave you with a couple of entertaining diversions:

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Spoiler: Timelapse footage of the Disc of Cauthess from one morning to the next

—A funny video at NicoNico (you'll need to make an account to watch videos there) of the Regalia Type-F crashing into the caldera where the Disc of Cauthess had been




... I think I'm beginning to see Lex's point about how ridiculous it is the amount of analysis I've put into this game without playing it.

 

[Blade]

^Yes, about that, Tres, I may have to sit you down and play the game.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Spoiler

The Cosmogony book talks about them both being bestowed upon the King with the Oracle, but I'm not sure it can be trusted since it doesn't contain the whole truth. (Side note- I wish there was a convenient collection of all the entries online).

Does

Spoiler

this document not contain them all? How many are there?

I've somewhat answered my own question here. Apparently there's one more, this one at the Taelpar motel. I can't find the text of it, though, because it seems everyone with a Let's Play upload doesn't know how to RPG, so they just walk past every nook and cranny it could be in.

If anyone is up for recording those details on a subsequent playthrough, please do so.

 

[Ryuman]

Again, thank you for the insight, Tres.

*Sigh* I saw that document before, but I didn't realise it had what I was looking for...
Maybe I'll have a really quick look for the apparent missing one later today, if no one else does. You'd think these would be in the guide or something.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Here's the precise location of the missing book (at the 13:40 mark):

This player actually examined it -- but they weren't playing in English. Dammit.

EDIT: Nevermind, crisis averted. It's in this video (in English) right at the very beginning:

EDIT 2:
The Hexatheon and Their Divine Host
It is said that, in the beginning, the six fought side by side with mankind. Even so, the deities themselves seldom appeared before mortals, and instead sent loyal servants to convey their divine will to the Oracle. These servants are known as the Messengers, and they number twenty-four.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

In an endeavor that has taken longer than I will ever admit to, I've tracked down videos of all 8 Book of Cosmogony entries in both English and Japanese. I will put the links below along with the titles of each entry in both languages (including a direct translation of the Japanese titles), where to find the books in the game, and the time in each video you'll want to go to in order to see them.

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—The Hexatheon—
創星記　六神の章 ("Cosmogony, Chapter of the Six Gods")
-On a seat at Galdin Quay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WldC4Aa0jz8 (video is only 15 seconds long; timestamp unnecessary)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UVCMK1jDSM (26:25)

—The Oracle—
創星記　神凪の章 ("Cosmogony, Chapter of the Oracle")
-On a bench at the Wiz Chocobo Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYAIAyenYk0 (from start of video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORg7vyrz-wU (2:00)

—The Revelation—
創星記解説　啓示 ("Annotations to the Cosmogony, Revelation")
-On a supply cart outside at the Meldacio Hunter HQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to4vK00h6t4 (1:30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vGsZB9z088 (27:50)

—The Hexatheon and Their Divine Host—
創星記解説　六神二十四使の章 ("Annotations to the Cosmogony, Chapter of the Six Gods' Twenty Four Messengers")
-On a table outside the motel at Taelpar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JkHF2tXAy8 (0:10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4tnYaDp8m8 (34:45)

—The Covenant—
創星記解説　誓約 ("Annotations to the Cosmogony, Covenant")
-On a table outside the Leville in Lestallum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbeQrb7HShU (0:06)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKhtsz2EG4U (1:45)

—15:2, "Nadir"—
創星記原本　十五章　序の二より抜粋 ("Extract from original copy of the Cosmogony, Chapter 15, Verse 2")
-On some stacked cable spools in the basement of the lighthouse at Cape Caem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2JOzjKSR8 (5:30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfR11L4bDjc (5:13)

—The Crystal—
創星記　聖石の章 ("Cosmogony, Chapter of the Holy Stone")
-On the bar at Maagho's in Altissia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq3ubCCIjQA (12:15)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUnoNj_3TMc (23:48)

—The Ring—
創星記　指輪の章 ("Cosmogony, Chapter of the Ring")
-On a bench at the train station in Tenebrae
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLtdQ_vVZs8 (5:50)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE2SdB9Wex0 (33:45)
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I'll probably take screenshots tomorrow for good measure.


EDIT: I should add, by the way, that 創星記 strictly speaking is not "cosmogony." That would normally be 宇宙進化論, 天体演化学, or 宇宙进化论. FFXV's developers took some creative liberties here with 創星記, but you can see how they can justify it:

-創: establish, create
-星: star, planet
-記: record, chronicle