Avatar: The Last Airbender & Korra (SPOILERS)

Elisa Maza

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this is actually a little disappointing cause i was hoping bolin would become a cop/learn metalbending and junk. i mean, yay, diversity in the police force but i hoped they might have a bit more about bolin

Bolin's a minor, he can't get ANY job right now. Also, he doesn't have the mindset to be a cop: he's a funny, optimistic guy, who sees the best in people. Being an athlete is the best way to go for someone him, who enjoys attention and takes poses while people are cheering.

Also, did you miss the rest of the points? There's a lot for Bolin in this season. And being on his own in the pro-beding arena is a good thing. Personally, I think he's gonna screw up badly before he can do without Mako in the arena. It's part of the growing up process and I look forward in watching his journey there. :DHopefully, the show will illustrate his behaviour as a flaw as well and not as something solely endearing in this season.
 

Theozilla

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Bolin's a minor, he can't get ANY job right now. Also, he doesn't have the mindset to be a cop: he's a funny, optimistic guy, who sees the best in people. Being an athlete is the best way to go for someone him, who enjoys attention and takes poses while people are cheering.

Also, did you miss the rest of the points? There's a lot for Bolin in this season. And being on his own in the pro-beding arena is a good thing. Personally, I think he's gonna screw up badly before he can do without Mako in the arena. It's part of the growing up process and I look forward in watching his journey there. :DHopefully, the show will illustrate his behaviour as a flaw as well and not as something solely endearing in this season.

Yeah, plus Bolin also gets this new character Verick who is described as a "Howard Hughes playboy kind of character" as his best bud. Can't way to see their dynamic together.

Also I just want to say Korra's cousins creep me out.
 
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Elisa Maza

Whomst
Yeah, plus Bolin also gets this new character Verick who is described as a "Howard Hughes playboy kind of character" as his best bud. Can't way to see their dynamic together.

Ditto.

Also, I had to Google Howard Hughes to get what they were taking about and...

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Howard Robard Hughes, Jr. (December 24, 1905[2] – April 5, 1976) was an American business magnate, investor, aviator, engineer, film producer, director, and philanthropist. He was one of the wealthiest people in the world.


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HE'S TONY STARK. ONLY IN REAL LIFE.


Also I just want to say Korra's cousins creep me out.

They make Mai look like a ball of sunshine. :no:
 

Theozilla

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The original uploader of the first animatic video, gamegyro56, uploaded a “fixed” version without the green error at the bottom.

 

Ryushikaze

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Ditto.

Also, I had to Google Howard Hughes to get what they were taking about and...

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Howard Robard Hughes, Jr. (December 24, 1905[2] – April 5, 1976) was an American business magnate, investor, aviator, engineer, film producer, director, and philanthropist. He was one of the wealthiest people in the world.


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HE'S TONY STARK. ONLY IN REAL LIFE.

That's truer than you expect. Tony Stark was based off of Howard Hughes, and a lot of his movie version's mannerisms are based off of Howard's own.
Also, Tony's dad is named Howard for just this reason.
 

Theozilla

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The table read the cast did at the Korra panel.

Really awesome to see how the voice actors all are directed by Andrea Romano.
I think they deliberately chose the romantic scenes for the laughs.:D
So jealous that the crowd got to be recorded for crowd sounds, although is it really sad or not that there were very few people under 16 in the crowd?
Also interesting tidbit of info, Asami Sato is apparently 18 years old.
 
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Theozilla

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"Making Of A Legend" Bryke commentary for episodes 6 and 7:
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Episode 7


Very interesting to learn that early on in development of Asami's character they considered making Asami an Equalist and had the idea of Korra somehow ending up training with Equalists somehow.
 

Alessa Gillespie

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Ugh korra training as an equalist would have been a great plot point ; ;
yeah, i think it would have been interesting if korra got a different side of the equalist viewpoint other than 'EQUALIST BAD' like why people feel the way they do about benders
 

Splintered

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I think the only problem with that is even more unfortunate consequences of having the only prominent non bender in the main characters be a traitor equalist. It kind of makes all nonbenders look like douches or evil since the ones we know personally are bad.

Well not entirely. There's the mom, but she's the definition of a nonfighter so there we go.

Then again, I agree it probably would bring a better dynamic to the Equalists dilemma.
 

Theozilla

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http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/07/16/the-legend-of-korra-cast-creators-interview-sdcc-2012
Cool little interview Comics Alliance did with Michael DiMartino, Bryan Konietzko, Janet Varney, and P.J. Byrne.
I'm a huge fan of Avatar: The Last Airbender, so it almost goes without saying that I love the follow-up series, The Legend of Korra, just as much. Like a lot of fans, I came away from the season finale wanting to know more, and fortunately, Comic-Con gave me the chance to get a few questions answered.

I talked to series creators Michael DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko, as well as actors Janet Varney (Korra) and P.J. Byrne (Bolin) about the show, the new, pulpier direction, the finality at the end of the first season, and the reactions they've gotten from fans -- one of whom joined us for a few seconds of the interview!

ComicsAlliance: Before I get into anything about the show, I always see that there's a ton of people at Comic-Con cosplaying as your characters.

Bryan Konietzko: Yeah, there's one right behind you.

CA: That's the fifth Korra I've seen today, and I haven't been on the floor. So what's it been like to create something that the fans have reacted to and embraced so much?

Michael DiMartino: It's awesome. I'm always amazed at the level of sophistication of the costumes sometimes, like that guy's got faux fur on him. It's very nice. It's a very nice Sokka.

PJ Byrne: It's only faux fur though, by the way.

MD: I'm pretty sure it's not real.

BK: I think seeing the costumes is one of the most fun ways for us to really see the appreciation from the fans and how much they enjoy it. This guy has a full Pro Bending outfit. I love what they pick out and decide to embody.
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Janet Varney: And representing the ladies, one of the first things that I thought when I saw Korra for the first time was "I want to look like that!" So I totally get it, because I really do. I love all of the clothes, and we were laughing because at the panel, these guys revealed some of the new costumes for Book Two, and people went nuts when they saw a cloak. But I was right there with them going "I love that Tenzin has a new cloak!"

CA: When you moved from doing The Last Airbender to Legend of Korra, did you feel like there was any pressure from fans, or even from yourselves, to tie them in more? You've got Toph's daughter and Aang's kids, but did you ever want to go any closer to that first series?

MD: Not really. Actually, that's why we came back to do this. Nickelodeon was like "Hey, do you want to make something new in the Avatar world? As long as there's bending and it's Avatar, that's cool." So we didn't have to retread the characters or anything. Any pressure was just on ourselves to make a really cool show, and make sure it was better than the old series, that the art was better and the stories were better. But we were never like "Everything's got to tie in together!" We wanted to draw from the old series and definitely make it feel familiar and everything.

CA: Do you feel like it is better than the first series?

BK: To us, we weren't trying to just continue the old series. We were trying to tell a different story, a different kind of story, different art direction. It's got a different length for the arc so it has a different characteristic. On everything we do, even on the old series, on every episode we were trying to make it better than the last one. Every season, we try to make it better than the last one. So we decided to age it up a little bit and make it a little more sophisticated, not as many gags. We love the old series, and we're not trying to knock the old series, but we're just always trying to tell something different. Korra is its own series. Obviously it's tied in, in the same world, a similar story, but it's not just Book Four of The Last Airbender.

CA: As performers, were you fans of the first series, or was it something you had to go back and watch after you got the job?

JV: I wasn't really going back, I had started watching the series before I knew anything about Korra, and the timing was actually really bad because you don't want to want something that much when you audition for it. I just wanted it, so I'm really glad that it worked out, because I had just discovered the series, and I'm watching it and got a call like "the guys who did the Last Airbender are doing --" and I said "Don't tell me any more!" So yeah, huge, huge fan.

PJB: I don't think they told you, Nickelodeon actually asked them to create a vehicle for P.J. Byrne. I was like "I don't want to be the main focus..."

JV: To be clear, I was a huge P.J. Byrne fan.

PJB: Correct: She was a huge fan of me, so I said "let's put her in the show, give her a big part, I like her personality."

BK: We were in the spectacle shop.

PJB: We both put our hands on the same frames and were like "Oh!"
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PJB: And then we had to look through the glasses. If you look through these, you'll actually see Bolin. Hey! Bolin!

[P.J. pulls a cosplayer dressed as Bolin into the interview.]
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PJB: See, in real life I'm actually bigger than Bolin.

CA: Have you guys had any favorite moments from doing the show?

JV: These guys are tired of me crying every time I see new animation, that definitely keeps happening.

PJB: I was just saying the other day, right before we went out to do the panel, they showed that quick little two-minute blurb of the show and we were all emotional. It was just us and we knew this is their baby and it's the culmination of their moment, and we were able to hear 4,000 people getting totally stoked, and we knew we were right about to walk into this wave of love. That pre-moment is always a wonderful, magic moment and it's a great time for me.

CA: For the feel of the show, Last Airbender was very historically rooted, but also very fantastic -- I mean, obviously, there were people throwing fire out of their hands, so there are a lot of fantasy elements. But for Korra, you followed a set timeline where things progressed and ended up with very much a pulp feel, like Raiders of the Lost Ark. Was there a time when you considered sticking with the older-style fantasy themes, or did you always want to get to this point and do a pulp story?

MD: The fantasy stuff has not gone away at all. When people see Book Two, that stuff hasn't gone away, it's all part of the world and that's what's going to be interesting as these stories develop. It's this kind of more modern setting juxtaposed against much more spiritual, fantastical stuff. Those two worlds colliding.

CA: I actually just watched the last episode last night.

PJB: How'd you do?

JV: You all right?

CA: I got a little emotional.

PJB: That's fine. You're safe here.

CA: I was shocked when Amon and Tarrlok were on the boat. It was so surprising.

BK: It's hard to surprise people with everything leaking on the Internet.

MD: You had to know!

CA: I stayed away from spoilers! It seemed like there was a lot of finality there, as opposed to continuing with that story. Was that always the plan, to do really defined arcs?

BK: Yeah, that was the big difference of Korra. The network originally wanted to do it in twelve-episode blocks, and that's a length we really liked for storytelling. They wanted them to be a little more standalone. Obviously the main characters continue, anything that happens doesn't reset in our world. Again, not that there was anything wrong with Avatar as far as we're concerned, but it's a different style and we like changing things up. It's kind of like 24, a new bad guy every season, a new challenge every season, and the characters still have these arcs through the whole series.
 

Theozilla

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yeah, i think it would have been interesting if korra got a different side of the equalist viewpoint other than 'EQUALIST BAD' like why people feel the way they do about benders
I don't know...I don't really see how Korra training (presumably undercover) with Equalists would have fit in well. And episodes 1, 4, 7, and 8 already showed a lot of why non-benders would have complaints about the current state of the political institution. Also the Equalist movement was pretty bad, just because they had sympathetic/understandable origins/initial motivations does not make the organization itself sympathetic IMO, and the Equalists never equaled all non-benders with complaints, they were the extremists. The entire Equalist movement was flawed and hypocritical in every way possible. The movement was about making people “equal” and to stop oppression of the non-benders. Instead, what we saw during Hiroshi’s speech to the people in Republic City Park, was that in the end, they ended up being oppressive towards benders, to the point of out-right banning bending in public and capturing and imprisoning benders, and any non-bender related to them. Their movement, symbolized by the Chinese character which means either “peace” or “equal” was neither of these. They attacked innocent civilians at the Pro-Bending Arena, including non-bender Shiro Shinobi, bombed half of the city and probably killed lots of people in their final attack on Republic City. Not to mention the actual psychological factor of removing one’s bending or the impact it would’ve had on innocent benders (children included) and non-benders who have bender siblings/parents/children/reletives and how that would’ve effected them. The fact of the whole matter is that Noatak/Amon and the Equalists themselves where not what they were preaching, they were just as bad, if not as worse as the insistution they fought against. Noatak’s revelation as being a bender only cements the whole hypocritical elements (no pun intended) of the Equalist movement. Sure there is oppression against non-benders, but the way that the Equalists handled the situation was wrong, just as wrong as the very system they were against in the first place.
 
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I don't know...I don't really see how Korra training (presumably undercover) with Equalists would have fit in well. And episodes 1, 4, 7, and 8 already showed a lot of why non-benders would have complaints about the current state of the political institution. Also the Equalist movement was pretty bad, just because they had sympathetic/understandable origins/initial motivations does not make the organization itself sympathetic IMO, and the Equalists never equaled all non-benders with complaints, they were the extremists. The entire Equalist movement was flawed and hypocritical in every way possible. The movement was about making people “equal” and to stop oppression of the non-benders. Instead, what we saw during Hiroshi’s speech to the people in Republic City Park, was that in the end, they ended up being oppressive towards benders, to the point of out-right banning bending in public and capturing and imprisoning benders, and any non-bender related to them. Their movement, symbolized by the Chinese character which means either “peace” or “equal” was neither of these. They attacked innocent civilians at the Pro-Bending Arena, including non-bender Shiro Shinobi, bombed half of the city and probably killed lots of people in their final attack on Republic City. Not to mention the actual psychological factor of removing one’s bending or the impact it would’ve had on innocent benders (children included) and non-benders who have bender siblings/parents/children/reletives and how that would’ve effected them. The fact of the whole matter is that Noatak/Amon and the Equalists themselves where not what they were preaching, they were just as bad, if not as worse as the insistution they fought against. Noatak’s revelation as being a bender only cements the whole hypocritical elements (no pun intended) of the Equalist movement. Sure there is oppression against non-benders, but the way that the Equalists handled the situation was wrong, just as wrong as the very system they were against in the first place.

I wanted to see another side other than the extremist side though yknow? Some people that joined because they truly believed in equality and were truly feeling that they had no other choice. Mako and Korra dressing up as equalists could have been great at an earlier time. like when tarrlok started rounding up non benders that seemed like a great incentive to see the for equality cause people but not exactly equalists.
They have so many ideas though it's tough to fit everything in, I wonder what else they thought up whilst making the story, seeing their notes or something would be amazing!
 
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Theozilla

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I wanted to see another side other than the extremist side though yknow? Some people that joined because they truly believed in equality and were truly feeling that they had no other choice. Mako and Korra dressing up as equalists could have been great at an earlier time. like when tarrlok started rounding up non benders that seemed like a great incentive to see the for equality cause people but not exactly equalists.
They have so many ideas though it's tough to fit everything in, I wonder what else they thought up whilst making the story, seeing their notes or something would be amazing!

I just don't see how that could have worked (especially after episode 6). By joining the Equalists that meant your goal was the eventual elimination of all bending, that is an extremist position no matter how one spins it.
 
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I just don't see how that could have worked (especially after episode 6). By joining the Equalists that meant your goal was the eventual elimination of all bending, that is an extremist position no matter how one spins it.

That doesn't mean others could have felt conflicted and held different viewpoints on the matter. It couldn't have been that black and white. And I'm just speculating I'm not actually saying put it in the show or anything.
 

Ryushikaze

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I just don't see how that could have worked (especially after episode 6). By joining the Equalists that meant your goal was the eventual elimination of all bending, that is an extremist position no matter how one spins it.

In the final show, that's the case. It's possible in the design phase, Equalism was a more gradated thing, and had various positions inside it, and Amon's faction were the radicals of the group.
 

Theozilla

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In the final show, that's the case. It's possible in the design phase, Equalism was a more gradated thing, and had various positions inside it, and Amon's faction were the radicals of the group.
It seems like that the Equalists were always intended to be an extremist organization, any organization that is going to commit kidnappings and terrorists actions qualifies as a extremist organization IMO.
 

Ryushikaze

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It seems like that the Equalists were always intended to be an extremist organization, any organization that is going to commit kidnappings and terrorists actions qualifies as a extremist organization IMO.

Assuming the term 'Equalist' refered to just a single organization, and not a cultural movement.

As Equalists are the bending equivalent of Jazz Era communists, it would be completely believable that there would be radical and non-radical wings of it, just as there were and are radical and non-radical wings of organizations today. There are environmentalists and then there are eco-terrorists. Both are part of an ecologically minded culture, but with TOTALLY different goals and methods.
 
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