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All the intros so far (this will make for an easy comparison when the Christmas episode comes out in a couple of days).






@Tenny: Hahaha, oh my. You & I always have diametrically opposed views about the themes/designs of everything during Series 4 vs. Series 5. xDDD

@Aaron: This was mentioned in my post 3 posts above yours. xD Also, that image is excellent.


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I forgot the news had been around that long tbh :<

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Tennyo

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@ X:

haha So I take it you liked the intro in seasons five and six? :P

But I must say, I actually like the season seven intro!!!!! Now that I've finally seen it, that was a HUGE improvement!!!

Speaking of season seven, anyone know where I can get my hands on the first half? My roommate and I want to be able to watch it before the Christmas special.

Oh and in case you were all holding your breath in suspense I did buy that shirt from TeeFury. :)
 

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@ Tenny:

Yes I do, and I thought that the Series 1-4 intros were meh at best. xD I have [/i]NO[/i] idea how you can stand the intro from Series 7 with all its colored, fuzzy Instagramy-filtered-ness. Hahahaha.

We have the best kinds of opposite tastes.


I have ALL THE DOCTOR WHOS, but I have no way to send them. I assume that somewhere will run a marathon or something.


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I'm looking forward to the Christmas special on Christmas day. I don't watch it normally but I do love the Christmas Day special <3
 

Tennyo

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@X: Agree to disagree I guess. :P

While I admit that the intro for seasons 1-4 and the 2009 specials did seem slightly lower budget, I just think those versions of the theme SONG were the best. I also liked the fact that the TARDIS was actually moving fast through the vortex instead of listing slowly through a thunderstorm like in the intro for seasons 5 and 6. :P

I also didn't like the version of the SONG used in the intro for 5 and 6. 7 seems much more upbeat, and the TARDIS is moving at a more steady pace again. Could still do without the stormy parts but meh. lol

But dang, where is Ryu when you need him? He always knows how to find these sorts of things. :(
 

Tennyo

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Still an hour and a half until it airs here in the USA.

But BBC America has been showing Doctor Who episodes all day long.
 

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That was an incredible episode and may have been the best Christmas special to date.

Will probably come up with detailed thoughts tomorrow, but I have to sleep before work right now.
 

Tennyo

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Okay, I've seen "The Snowmen."

It was cute. Very cute. I like Clara a lot, and while I was on the fence about the new TARDIS interior, seeing more if it in action made it seem a little more appealing. I think I'm going to like this. At least so far.

This episode was a bit on the fantasy side, though. It just seemed a bit, I don't know, off. Like, it was a really good story, I'm just now sure how I feel about it being an episode of Doctor Who. But the idea of there being multiple Oswins is intriguing. I wonder what Moffat is planning.

BUT I DO HAVE TO NITPICK. Why does The Doctor need a worm to erase Clara's memories when we know he perfectly well has the ability to do it himself? I know it made for a great gag with the Sontaran guy not using the gloves and continually losing his memory, and later a plot device for the snow to posses that one guy, but STILL. The Doctor doesn't need a worm like that. He can erase peoples' memories without it. He's done it before. How come he suddenly can't do it now? [/rant]

But on a more positive note, I totally called it that the lizard detective lady and her assistant were lesbians. Not that this is anything to brag about since I'm sure all of you did as well. It would be more surprising if there were anyone who didn't pick up on that fact. :P

And the new opening sequence is nice. I think I liked the one used in the first half of season seven better but this one was pretty good, too.

And that's all I can think of at the moment.

BBC America also showed the first five episodes of season seven so I'm finally (almost) all caught up now. I was only able to catch the ending of "Asylum of the Daleks," but I did see all the rest.

I don't really have much to say on them, other than
The Doctor killed that one guy in "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" and almost killed that other guy in "A Town Called Mercy," and I don't think I liked it very much. I didn't really feel like he had a good enough reason to do so.

But, I do have to make a confession about "The Angels Take Manhattan."
This episode did not make me sad at all. It did not "give me all the feels," as most people have been saying. I really was not attached to Amy at all. Rory was cute, but I wasn't in love with him, either. And while at one point in time I thought River seemed rather badass and awesome I fell out of love with her by the end of season six as well.

I'm...glad that the Ponds are gone. I do not find the Moffat era to be as enjoyable as the RTD era was. Matt Smith is a decent Doctor but I just feel like so much of Moffat's run has been so flat and emotionless in comparison to what came before, particularly when it came to Amy. I'm actually glad she's finally gone. She should have been done a long time ago.

I know that River probably isn't done yet but I really rather wish she were, just because I simply hate how her relationship with The Doctor was treated. It was not done well and I'm not even sure what Moffat really wants me to think of them. I do not find anything between them to be believable, but whenever she's onscreen it's like I'm being beaten with a baseball bat and forced into submission against my will.

Also, the excuse used for creating fixed points in time was horrible. I just simply don't buy it, especially since River can go back using the Vortex Manipulator, which quite honestly the idea that such a device can go where the TARDIS can't is a stretch in my opinion.

And the Statue of Liberty is a Weeping Angel....

...

...no. Too much, Moffat. Too much.

So idk, I'm hoping I love Clara. I want to love Clara. I want to love it all. But I have to admit, with the way the show became season five and onward, if that is how NuWho had been from the get go back in 2005 I honestly don't think I would have fallen in love with it the way I did. At most I may have become a casual viewer, not making an effort but not changing the channel when it was on, and I certainly probably wouldn't have cared enough to go and seek out the Classic stuff out of curiosity.

Which, by the way, I have to watch the Classic stuff on my own now because my roommates hate it. If they come in the room they immediately demand I put on "something good." And that includes Lindsey who I watched NuWho with on Netflix and loves NuWho as much as I do. She so far hates all the Classic stuff that she's been around to see while I was watching and is rather unapologetic about it. :P

Oh well, they also try to convince me that David Tennant isn't hot. lol

EDIT: tsk tsk tsk Aaron, I though you said you were going to bed hours ago!!!!
 
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@ Aaron: lookin' forward to it.

@Tenny: That's mega unfortunate, as you missed the most important episode in reference to the Christmas episode. If you can find it, it's well worth watching (even if you know the twist going into it).

Also, the more I read your posts, the more completely convinced that I become that you & I have perfectly, diametrically opposed opinions on Doctor Who. It's like... the perfect storm of difference of opinion, and it's always super interesting to me.
I'm one of the folks who felt that the RTD era was fun, but a whole lot of camp, and largely meh in terms of any real connection to the characters, outside of the Moffat episodes and a few miscellaneous others. The way that I'd rate the companions from that era is Martha > Mickey > Rose > Donna, which I'd bet is probably close to the opposite of most folks who liked that era. (The Family of Blood was the episode that got me into watching through all of Doctor Who just before Series 5 started, when I started watching it actively).

Essentially, this is how I see the idea of the Doctor & Rose. For whatever reason the interaction and relationships between 11, Amy, & Rory have always connected with me a lot more.

I think that the biggest difference in very, VERY simplified terms is that in the RTD era, the Doctor travels with people and they change him, but in the Moffat era he changes them, and it's probably the direction that we relate to that emotional interaction that's different (more or less relate-able).

Regardless that we disagree: <3

Also, your friends can go suck an egg if they think that David Tennant's not attractive, and that classic Who isn't cool. ;)



On to the Christmas episode:

That all being said, Clara is very swiftly coming up to potentially be my favorite companion period, and I'm hoping that the little oddities and twists in her stories aren't TOO complex to make her character feel less human. (i.e. I hope that she's basically a really sharp normal girl that the universe is totally fucking with, rather than someone who's somehow supernaturally the most special of all special people).

Related to my tl;dr tagged post above, I like the role-reversal from the previous companionship that puts them on equal ground in different ways - what they don't know about each other lets them take the other person off guard, and they both feel better off for it. It's this type of dynamic that I like: that they're both constantly doing that to each other and being the "clever/sly/sexy/cool one" and stealing it from the other one when the other person's supposed to be in their element. Here's a perfect example of Matt doing this to Jenna in an interview.




Also, I'm pretty certain that the Great Intelligence's connection to the London Underground in old (mostly missing) serial The Web of Fear, and Madame Vastra origin being awakened by tunnel workers working on the London Underground isn't a coincidence. I'm crazy glad that the three of them are becoming recurring characters (and I love the suggestion that Sherlock & Holmes were designed after Vastra & Jenny).


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I loved the RTD era, and Ninth, Tenth, Rose and the other companions (Mickey's my least favorite though) but Moffat is the ultimate Doctor Who plot writer for me and Amy the ideal companion. Also Eleventh just seems to embrace his timeless alien nature more.

I do hope that Clara can get the supernatural companion thing right. Jack and River really needed the other companions I feel too work.
 

Tennyo

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@X:

haha We really are opposites.

Funnily enough, that image is a good representation of how I feel about Amy. Just replace Rose with Amy and there you go. :P

I mean, Ten may have been hung up on Rose a bit after she was gone, but he eventually got over it and when given the opportunity to have her back he instead decided to give her up because it was for the best.

Eleven, for some reason, keeps going back to Amy long after her story was over, then pleads with her to not go after her husband whom he knows she loves more than anything.

And it just seems like the writing makes the idea of a normal life a little too easy for Amy and Rory. They are gone for months at a time, yet both don't get fired from their jobs. Not only that, Rory gets offered a promotion to full time. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be feeling for them and their uncertainty of if they should leave the Doctor or not. What else about their lives is in an upheavel? It doesn't seem like much, so why even bring it up if being gone for months at a time does nothing more than make it hard for Amy to be a bridesmaid?

Of course, season seven did do something right in bringing in family members, but it was a little too late. Rory's dad should have been there a long time ago, and that, I think, is what makes me like the RTD era so much; the families. When The Doctor picked up a new companion, it wasn't just the companion he was getting, it as all the baggage of their whole life, and that's what I felt most drawn to. With Rose he got Jackie and Mickey along for the ride, with Martha he got her family's whole big dysfunctional mess while they were being lured into a trap by one of his enemies, and with Donna he got Sylvie and Wilfred.

And oh, how I absolutely adored Wilfred.

The Doctor didn't just affect the companions, he affected the people closest to them as well.

The Doctor changing the companions was a big theme in the RTD era as well. It was the basis for the "Children of Time" at the end of season four. Not to mention, it was a big reason why Donna's fate is so sad. Wilf tells The Doctor that she was better with him, because of the way he had changed her and given her a reason to believe in herself. It also went both ways. As you said, the companions all changed him as well, which I loved. It was a two way street.

I just feel like the Moffat era has been chock-full of brilliant concepts that never get properly executed. It's like he has so many ideas but isn't sure how to make them all fit so he just crams them in as tight as he can. All these brand new characters that we are never properly introduced to that are now suddenly so important. Lesbian detectives with one being a lizard is a cool concept, but I don't really feel like I know these two that well. I would have liked a proper intro. Them and the Sontaran, and the fat blue guy from season six. They just came out of nowhere.

And as far as NuWho companions, for me it goes Donna>Rose>Jack>Martha>Mickey>Rory>Amy. Don't know where to stick Clara yet. :P

And as far as Moffat episodes in the RTD era, while they were certainly good I don't hold them all up as better than the rest like so many people do. Episodes such as "The Impossible Planet"/"The Satan Pit," "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood," "Midnight," "Planet of the Ood," "42," "The Runaway Bride," "Partners in Crime," and "Turn Left" all stand out at the top of my head. Certainly "Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances," "Blink," and "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead" were fabulous as well, but Moffat was just one of many great writers, not the end all be all of NuWho for me.
 
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I'll post my reactions later, off to the gym for now :monster:
 

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I'll be honest, for me, the last two seasons of nuWho are pretty much the inverse to my reactions to the reboot.

"Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor? Brilliant! But who's this Russell T Davies guy? What? Queer as Folk? Well, this is gonna suck. And Billie Piper as the assistant? Hahaha no."
"Oh well, bye Eccleston. I can't wait to see what RTD does next season! Ahh, Rose. :D"
(You can also substitute the words "Catherine Tate" and "Donna" for "Billie Piper" and "Rose".)

"Well, sad to see RTD go, but he was a little to obsessed with the Daleks. Still, the creator of the Gas Mask zombies, Weeping Angels and those shadow piranha things running the place will be awesome. Pity about this Matt Smith bloke, whoever he is."
"Moffat wrote Curse of Fatal Death? Yeah, it's really showing. I need to get a bowtie. Bowties are cool."

As for the delightful Ms. Pond well...

Really enjoyed the Snowmen
the Web of Fear shout-out... that made up most of the episode, if we're honest...
, but one thing that I have to bring up -
Seriously? The Doctor's assistant is part of something really major to the rest of the universe? Amy had the Crack and the Silence... Moffat, have you no new ideas?

OK, something somewhat the same happened with Ace in the Seventh Doctor's tenure, but she was given more character development, and the storyline was spread over several seasons.
 

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I will write up that post about The Snowmen, I promise. In the mean time, have an image dump. Spoilers for the latest episode abound. There are also a couple of spoilers for Asylum in there.


I will say this: I really, really want a spinoff featuring Madame Vastra, Jenny, and Strax. And I know I'm far from the only one.

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Tennyo

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I like the idea of a spinoff for those three. It could start off by showing us how they all met The Doctor, then continue from there. :)

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I especially like this one:
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And this one was just lovely. I have been working on a sig for a while and got stuck, but now I feel inspired:
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This almost looks official.
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Karen Hallion

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I swear to god, Aaron... if you don't write up your opinions of the Christmas episode, so help me... xD



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Ⓐaron

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I will, I just need to make time to do it. xD Spending so much time on IRC isn't helping xD

Also I finished Children of Earth, which was great (up there with some of the best moments of DW in fact), and have started Miracle Day.
 

Tennyo

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I have not started Torchwood yet. I'm waiting for Lindsey to be able to take the time to do it. I'm not sure how much she's interested in it, though. If we don't do it soon I just may watch it without her.

However, Netflix only has up to Children of Earth. :P
 
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