Doctor Who!!~

[The Twilight Mexican]

Interview with Neil Gaiman.

I always love how down-to-earth Gaiman sounds. It must have been really cool for him to get to craft part of "the first mythology" he knew.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Gaiman is awesome and I hope he continues writing new episodes for DW indefinitely. And I agree, he definitely seems like a completely unpretentious and down-to-earth guy.

 

[Ⓐaron]

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Stormageddon

Headcanon accepted.


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[Tennyo]

How far into the future was that episode set, again?

 

[X-SOLDIER]

How far into the future was that episode set, again?

Really far? The Cyberwars lasted for 1000 years, but that's all I remember. But c'mon... His dad knows the Doctor. I don't really see it as an impossibility even it it's something FAR in the future. Time is pretty irrelevant in that sense.



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[Tennyo]

Well it's all good and fun as a joke, but only a joke.

I'd accept him being a descendent, though.

SORRY GUYS, I'M APPLYING LOGIC TO WHO. I'll just go sit myself in the corner and think about what I've done...

 

[X-SOLDIER]

You want logic? The Silence had a time machine above his dad's apartment, and he was exposed to the Cybermen as a baby. I think the idea of him becoming somehow temporarily displaced at a later point in time and involved in a war against the Cybermen is entirely possible. Seriously, given the sorts of things that frequently happen in Doctor Who, this is FAR from implausible.



Was it planned? Probably no more than the girl was planned to be the same ruler who we saw during The Beast Below, but it is still totally something that could happen within the context of Doctor Who if they wanted to pull either of those references together at some point.



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[Mantichorus]

I always love how down-to-earth Gaiman sounds. It must have been really cool for him to get to craft part of "the first mythology" he knew.

That was the first thing that struck me about him when I saw an interview with him about Neverwhere on an old VHS tape. Semi-remember another comment of his about how people expect him to talk in gnomic verses with iambic pentameter, which was why he started keeping a blog: it's hard to keep that opinion of someone after they've said about cleaning up after the cat at one in the morning.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Hhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnggggggggg- TWO MORE DAYS!!!!!!!


Also, Strax's field report:

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[Tennyo]

You want logic? The Silence had a time machine above his dad's apartment, and he was exposed to the Cybermen as a baby. I think the idea of him becoming somehow temporarily displaced at a later point in time and involved in a war against the Cybermen is entirely possible. Seriously, given the sorts of things that frequently happen in Doctor Who, this is FAR from implausible.



Was it planned? Probably no more than the girl was planned to be the same ruler who we saw during The Beast Below, but it is still totally something that could happen within the context of Doctor Who if they wanted to pull either of those references together at some point.



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Yes, but just because it could doesn't mean it did, and unless it's explained, it didn't just happen by magic. That was my point.

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OMG I've never seen this theory before

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I've always wondered whether or not Gallifrey was still there, but is now just a barren, lifeless rock. Like, was all that talk of Gallifrey being gone just a metaphor for the Time Lords being gone?

But then, how would they all get there (as in river, the Whispermen, the guy from the Christmas Special, Vastra with Jenny and Strax, etc), and why would there be a grave marker for River? Unless the maker is in a different location.

Thoughts?

 

[Tennyo]

And then there's this screen cap from the next episode.

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[Mantichorus]

And then there's this screen cap from the next episode.

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That is the scariest thing I've seen in ages.

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That... coat...

 

[Tennyo]

I know, right?

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I feel bad for Colin Baker sometimes. XD

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Spoiler: I thought that it was generally assumed that…

the fields of Trenzaloe were on Gallifrey. There's also the Doctor's quote when attempting to land the TARDIS, "I'm about to cross my own timeline in the biggest way possible and the TARDIS doesn't like it." Additionally, given that JttCotT Clara discovered his name in a book about the Time War, it only makes sense that the answer is eventually going to be revealed on Gallifrey. I assume it's the name of a rather significant battlefield.

WHO'S READY FOR TOMORROW!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!



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[X-SOLDIER]

Oh,

ALSO RELATED TO THE ABOVE THEORY:

Spoiler: The BBC released this image a few days ago

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[Tennyo]

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I never assumed that the fields of Trenzalore were on Gallifrey.

I just always kind of assumed that Gallifrey had become off limits in terms of story telling. In hind sight I really have no reason why I felt this way. Not to mention, the trailers all show us a grave marker for River. I'm not sure how or why she would have a grave marker on Gallifrey, which is the main thing that threw me. I don't think she would. This is, of course, assuming the grave is at Trenzalore.

But I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I'm going to have to watch tomorrow's episode later on tomorrow night. Going out to dinner with people for a friend's birthday then going to see the new Star Trek movie.

 

[Ⓐaron]

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River is part Time Lord, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see her have a grave on Gallifrey. Though the fact that her 'death' was in the Library leads me to wonder if her fate is going to be retconned now. Not that that would be necessary for her to have a grave, of course; they could've just given her a grave despite the fact that her consciousness is in the computer systems of the Library, since none of them will ever see her again.

But really who am I kidding.

 

[Tennyo]

The whole joke of not applying logic to Doctor Who can only go so far, though.

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Having Time Lord characteristics from being conceived in the time vortex in addition to whatever it was the Silence did to her would not explain her having a grave marker on Gallifrey.

She wasn't an actual legit Time Lord. Gallifrey was never her home, and she had no part in its history or the Time War. She's simply a human who was granted the ability to regenerate and fly the TARDIS. And MAYBE she can see time a bit as well. The Angel's Take Manhattan implied this as a maybe, since she knew the timelines in New York were messed up.

But then, The Doctor didn't even recognize her as a little girl or as Melz, and Time Lords are supposed to be able to recognize each other. I always attributed this to the fact that she's mostly human.

Unless The Doctor brought her there for some reason after the events of The Library? Don't know why he would, though. carrying her charred corpse to Gallifrey can't have been fun

But then, if he brought River there, why didn't he bring The Master there at the end of season three? Why would The Master not have gotten a grave on Gallifrey?

Of course, it could also be a plot by the Whispermen. Maybe they have a grave marker of all The Doctor's friends in order to freak him out, or some such? OR hallucination? Both? Now I'm just pulling random ideas out of my ass.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Spoiler: badass image including Cybermen, Jenny, and Madame Vastra

source (artist: Bill Murdon)

 

[Russell]

Massive spoilers Sweetie:

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Methinks the Doctor we saw at the end

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(John Hurt)

is the Doctor that ended the time war by destroying Gallifrey & the Daleks.

Anyway on a lighter note:

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[Mantichorus]

Wham line: "Before the end of his life, he'll be known by many names: the Storm, the Beast,

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the Valeyard..."

So, hint (Hurt's character is the Valeyard), coincidence (Hurt's not the Valeyard), or red herring (Hurt's not the Valeyard, but that line was included to make us think he is)?

The whole name issue the Doctor brings up at the end also leaves the possibility that Hurt is a regeneration of the Time Lord who often calls himself the Doctor... but isn't the Doctor (name signifies intent).

 

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OH MY SCIENCE IT WAS SO GOOD.

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John Hurt IS the Doctor, but didn't do what he did in the NAME of The Doctor. I'm still holding to the idea that he's The Valeyard. The Valeyard was also name dropped along with The Beast and The Storm by The Great Intelligence, so it's not entirely unprecedented.

Either way, I loved the fact that we got to see post-Library River in this episode. It made me really happy to see the two of them together in some semblance of a final moment. I am wondering how Vastra went about setting up a psychic link to her while she was still trapped away, but that's forgivable for what it gave.

Also, Vastra's performance was amazing, especially when things were tragic. I loved Clara's little bits and pieces in influencing The Doctor, and the little snippets about how it all began. Just a fucking FAN. TASTIC. episode. Hats off to Moffat on this one.

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[X-SOLDIER]

Oh my. <3



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[Ⓐaron]

I just realised the image I posted above was probably 403'd, so here it is again

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Also that episode was amazing. Waiting six months for the continuation is going to suck