Doctor Who!!~

Sheva Alomar

I'm Alive and on Fire
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Adri, Sir Integra, Fiona, Sango
Can you say HHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Holy shit is it fucking Easter yet? God damn!
 

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I think that my anticipation/anxoiusness/curiosity about finding out who River is is equalled precisely by how fearful/nervous/hesitant I am about seeing what's going to happen after he does.

Also, did it creep anyone else out how much the eyes at 0:06 look like the Doctor?
I'm absolutely TERRIFIED of what that could mean.



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Alex

alex is dead
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Alex, Ashes, Pennywise, Bill Weasley, Jack's Smirking Revenge, Sterling Archer
"Fear me, I've killed all of them"

Fucking awesome.
 

Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
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Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
"FEAR ME. I'VE KILLED HUNDREDS OF TIME LORDS."

Thus spake Neil Gaiman. XD

I have to admit, I'm anticipating the new series more than I was. In part, this is due to the "look behind you" line. The new "don't blink"?
 

Legion.

For we are many
"FEAR ME. I'VE KILLED HUNDREDS OF TIME LORDS."

That alone has me off my tits in anticipation of easter weekend.
The new writing staff has done spectacularly so far. And there's been no 'IM A GAY CHARACTER. IN YOUR FUCKING FACE!'. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us this year.
 

Alex

alex is dead
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Alex, Ashes, Pennywise, Bill Weasley, Jack's Smirking Revenge, Sterling Archer
I wear a stetson now. Stetsons are cool.
 

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I've been rewatching Season 5, and I'd forgotten how much foreshadowing there is to events that're going to be happening. Prisoner Zero & The Vampires of Venice both have super creepy references to "The Silence" coming through cracks in time, destroying worlds, and taking place after the Pandorica opens. Cannot fucking wait to find out what it's all about next Saturday.


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Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
The Silence is Salamander. River song is anyone and everyone APART from the Rani.

Trufax.
 

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3 days...


Minor information ahead about the new episode.



So there's some information about the Silence online now, and we know that they are indeed beings that we'll see some time in the first two episodes. We also know what they look like & what they're based off of. If you're prepared for some terror, and a bit of a spoiler, click ahead. I won't include anything from the article about them, aside from their appearances (they've been in brief clips in the trailers for those with sharp eyes who didn't yet know what they were).


This, rather famous image.
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and here are the creatures themselves:

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Lastly, the series is going on a break at the half way point until fall... in the middle of a cliffhanger in a two-part episode. What's even worse, is that Steven Moffat has said that it's going to be a game changing cliffhanger. The title of the episode is released, and has me tripping, so I'm going to go on a little spoiler rant.

The episode is called, "A Good Man Goes to War"

We know that River Song KILLS 'a good man.' If you combine that with the Doctor's quote from the trailer, "I've been running my whole life. Now it's time for me to stop." and the fact that the Silence seem to be some absolutely badass time manipulating aliens, I can't see that referring to anyone but the Doctor. There's an increasingly large suspicion that River is going to kill the Doctor.

With the eyes that look like Matt Smith's on the creepy white, veiny skin from the trailer, I am officially terrified that the Doctor could get killed. After all, Rory's died, Amy's been killed, and River's death has already happened, so I don't know how you'd get much more game changing while also discovering River's true identity. To top it all off, if this is the case... we wouldn't find out the conclusion until fucking September when part 2 airs.


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Sheva Alomar

I'm Alive and on Fire
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Adri, Sir Integra, Fiona, Sango
Seriously going to burst before Saturday due to immense anticipation for new Who.
 

Alex

alex is dead
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Alex, Ashes, Pennywise, Bill Weasley, Jack's Smirking Revenge, Sterling Archer
The Silence are just damn hardcore.

Spoiler: They have mouths

Super Spoiler: Don't let them open them
 

Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
AKA
Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
Fact: the older Canton was played by Mark Shepard's father. They were originally going to age him with make-up, but he suggested they get his dad in.

I liked how
a lot of the guessing about how the middle of the season was going to break hung on a scene that was the cliffhanger at the end of THIS episode XD
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If you rewatch the scene of River slapping the Doctor, you'll see that for a moment, he actually glances down the camera afterwards before facing her again. Alex Kingston was actually slapping Matt Smith for real in that scene, and although he said "yeah, go for it" to begin with, he was starting to get exasperated towards the end of the shoot.

Don't know if any of you watched the Liz Sladen tribute on the CBBC Channel, My Sarah Jane. Really touching. :)
 

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Ok, so I waited a few days to write my feelings, because I had a plan to collect my thoughts, and think about other clues. In fact, all that did was give me even more questions than I had to start with. I had been watching through the earlier Series on Netflix this weekend, and I'd gone through the first 3 Moffat Episodes, and a buddy and I decided to watch the other three, and the Lodger. Suffice to say, it seems he's been planning this for a LONG, LONG time. Each of the episodes either has character building for the Doctor & River Song's relationship, or has a hook that's been brought back. I'll list the episodes & the hooks, and then get into my feelings about the first episode of Series 6.


- Child making phone calls to disconnected phones.
- The Doctor dancing with a blonde girl who has feelings for him.
- Love story taking place through different times that never quite work out correctly.
- Dancing with a blonde woman he cares for.
- The Doctor gets stuck in 1969.
- The Doctor is given images of Angels at the end of the Episode.
- SILENCE in the Library
- Reference to "Crash at the Byzantium"
- The Doctor briefly refers to his wedding.
- Reference to he and River as "(like) an old married couple."
- The Moon.
- Creating a reality from books.
- Feeding ducks.
- Creature in a Space Suit standing upright, and extending its right hand straight forward.


So... On to the new episode. Almost nothing happened in the way I'd expected, which was absolutely lovely.

The episode was AMAZING. The brief look into the Doctor's lone exploits was a lovely start, and Matt Smith did an excellent job portraying a much older Doctor. The sucker punch start was amazing, and sets up some for a CRAZY season that feels like it's going to be full of "never see it coming" moments.

It's nice having super reluctant Rory around, and it adds a lot to the dynamic. He's doing a good job of adding a lot to the overall experience. That being said, I was a little bit surprised that most of the time, he's the one explaining the Space/Time/Paradox interactions to Amy, even though she has more time travel experience than he does.

Amy was very "damsel in distress" which was a little odd, but I think that she's the most severly impacted, because his death is River's past, and she'll see him again regardless of what else happens. That being said, her emotional interactions are making for some very interesting events.

For the first time, this episode does a really good job of connecting the audience with River's story. Her little conversation with Rory post-foreshadowing the events of "Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead" was amazing (and re-watching them was incredibly tragic). I'm greatly looking forward to seeing River slowly get less and less familiar with everyone, as the Doctor slowly trusts and cares for her more. It has the potential to show the audience how she's felt the whole time in a really amazing way.

The trip to America and the storyline is fantastic, and this episodes mix of light, humorous moments with frightening, tense ones is absolutely spot on. I couldn't be more anxious/excited to see where it takes things. I'll have much more on the story elements in my thoughts.

The 200-year older Doctor gets killed flat out at the beginning of the episode, while the Silence are watching. Holy shit. The very fact of what's going on is dangerous, because it seems like he's attempting to alter events in his own timeline, by alerting Amy/Rory/River to things that they need to know, but doing so VERY carefully so as not to create a Paradox. This is still playing very carefully with the idea that Time can be rewritten. The Space Suit imagery is purposefully reminiscent of the episode where we first met River. I'm still currently convinced that it's River who shoots the Doctor. After it takes place, River fires off rounds at the Space Suit as it heads back into the lake, none of which hit, to which she mutters, " 'Course not... " Since that's older River, she must have some idea of what's happening if that's her in the suit. She wouldn't be able to kill herself because that'd cause a paradox.

Then we meet the current Doctor. This leaves the question of: how did the older Doctor get there? Has he been taking the slow path, and if so: for how long, why, and where is the TARIDS? I'm assuming it would be with River Song, since he taught her how to fly it, and that would give a reason why she'd need to know that.

The dynamic of having the Doctor unprepared, and slightly untrusting is really interesting. It's especially tough because River takes it really hard that he only trusts Amy, and not her. Then they follow the clues that they receive from the older Doctor: The moon. 1969. The fact that both of these have been referenced in Steven Moffat episodes already blows my mind, and makes me think that there's SO much more to this web than I'm even close to grasping.

Then we finally meet the Silence. Absolutely. Terrifying.

They're psychic, as they're able to learn Joy & Amy's name without speaking to them. They also are trying to make Amy tell him, "What he must know, and what he must never know." They are likely limited by how much they can interact with anything, because they're no longer remembered afterwards. I would guess that they're limited by a quantum state mechanism of observation, much like the Weeping Angels, but that's also connected to the Time Energy that was seen through some of the cracks. I think that they actually stop existing in your timeline when they're not being observed. This means that it even effects time travellers, like River, Rory, & Amy. That also means that, because Amy's brought back things unwritten from her own timeline (Rory, her parents, & the Doctor), so she might somehow be their key to obtaining the influence they need.

We also know that there must be a way to remember them, and I think the key is with the picture that Amy took with her phone. We know that Prisoner Zero, and the Saturnynians know about the Silence, and talk about them, so there must be a way to remember them. Likely it's only through a second hand account, because someone could tell you about them, and because the actual event isn't in your timestream, it won't disappear. This also brings up the question of observation to images. Like the Angels, if their defense is locked into quantum observation, that means that when Amy looks at the image on her phone, the Silence she saw in the restroom will have existed in her timeline again, and she'll everything about what it told her.

That brings us to the mysterious phone calls that lead them to the warehouse. Not only that the phone calls reach Nixon at his every location, the origin of phone calls are important. River notes that the line has been disconnected from the warehouse when they arrive, so whatever is making them has to be using a form of Om-Com, like the Chula used.

Then we come to two more crazy pieces of information. The Silence can't even be detected by lifeform scanning devices (which means that they could have been in the Library). This supports my idea that they cease existing in a person's timeline when they're not being directly observed by that person. As I'd suspected, they are the ones with the replica TARDIS with a perception filter that eventually crashes with all the crew dead as the second floor of the apartment. My hypothesis right now is that it crashes as a result of the explosion from keeping the TARDIS stopped at 6/26/2010.

Now, comes the question of what happened when it killed Joy. Was she erased from time, or just blown into ashes? It's impossible to tell right now, because we haven't seen her before, or know anyone who would be influenced by either event. If they can unwrite things from time, it might explain why Amy doesn't remember any of the events that the Doctor assumes she should have. It's possible that they attempted to destroy the TARDIS to use the cracks in time & space to spread this unwriting time energy all over the universe, but this lacks a clear motivation. The Silence need something but I just can't work out what.

After feeling very clever, and looking for clues in the older, pre-series 5 Moffat episodes, all I got left with were little hints and TONS more questions from the breadcrumbs that were there. Essentially, I got left feeling like this, even more than my first time just watching the first episode of Series 6.

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So before anyone else sees and possibly worries about the fact that Series 6 had a lower number of viewers for this season opener compared to past seasons, I'd like to point out some facts gathered from the comments section on io9.

It was on at 6pm (earlier), on a super sunny day in the middle of a 4 day holiday weekend, plus the royal wedding is storming the media right now. Here are the 15 minute breakdowns for a REAL look at things. Doctor Who is in bold.

17:30 ….. 1.6 (13.0%)
17:45 ….. 2.2 (16.4%)
18:00 ….. 6.0 (35.3%)
18:15 ….. 6.6 (37.1%)
18:30 ….. 7.0 (37.5%)

18:45 ….. 3.2 (18.5%)
19:00 ….. 3.4 (19.4%)

Now if you compare that to what the 11th Hour got on it's first night:

8.0m ..... (38.4%)

It's only about a single % less, which is the most important thing. It shows that overall, a MUCH smaller number of people were watching TV at all. It's not that 1.5 million people abandoned Doctor Who, they were just out doing other things on the sunny holiday weekend. Not to mention, it's still obvious that a ton of people are tuning in JUST to watch Doctor Who. Plus, it was the highest rated non-soap/reality show on for the whole week, so there's not much to fear.


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Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
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Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
It's nice having super reluctant Rory around, and it adds a lot to the dynamic. He's doing a good job of adding a lot to the overall experience. That being said, I was a little bit surprised that most of the time, he's the one explaining the Space/Time/Paradox interactions to Amy, even though she has more time travel experience than he does.
IIRC, doesn't he say after boarding the TARDIS that he'd read up on a lot of scientific theory regarding time travel, quantum mechanics, etc., etc., after the first time he met the Doctor?

...Although, having said that, I'm now wondering if it was actually Mickey who did the reading up. :huh:
 

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IIRC, doesn't he say after boarding the TARDIS that he'd read up on a lot of scientific theory regarding time travel, quantum mechanics, etc., etc., after the first time he met the Doctor?

...Although, having said that, I'm now wondering if it was actually Mickey who did the reading up. :huh:

It was Mickey who said that. I actually watched that Episode on Sunday.


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Mantichorus

"I've seen enough."
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Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
Thanks for correcting me. :lol: As I said, as I turned the thought into words, I did wonder if that was the case.

But I've been wondering... is the 00s revival of Doctor Who really the only evidence of the Silence?

In Remembrance of the Daleks, Ace questions the presence of a spaceship in 1963, as she never heard of one landing. The Doctor asks if she remembers the "Zygon gambit with the Loch Ness Monster", or "yetis in the underground". When she's naturally stumped, the Doctor tuts and says "Your species has a most amazing capacity for self-deception, matched only by its ingenuity when trying to destroy itself."

What if it wasn't humans deceiving ourselves, but the Silence removing the incidents from human consciousness? :huh:
 

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:O Oh my God.

If that's intentionally connected, I am seriously amazed, and it's an EXCELLENT find.

I'm trying to find the pre-00 revival episodes, since I had seen various ones when I was a kid, but hadn't watched them until the new series, so drawing parallels to them would be nigh on impossible until I give them a proper go. I've just been using Netflix streaming for Series 1-4.


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