Mantichorus
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Ryushikaze
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Well, the Yetis in the underground is a bad example- it was well hushed up as an alternate disaster even while it was happening, but the Zygons were fairly easy to spot, since they did fly around a bit and there was a rather noticeable explosion too.
There are a number of other events in near-ish human history the Silence could be silently retconning out. The daleks appearing multiple times in NYC, even after the invention of security cameras (The Chase had a scene on the top of the building, in an area that was covered by cameras even at the time, I think), the Wotan incident, the first Nestene invasion, etc.
Even if we leave it to just 'Events post '63' we have to deal with the Doctor dealing with a lot of really strange nonsense very near the public eye. And Sarah Jane. And Torchwood, who know the word subtlety only so they can avoid it.
And the 21st century is, after all, where everything is supposed to change in the whoniverse.
There are a number of other events in near-ish human history the Silence could be silently retconning out. The daleks appearing multiple times in NYC, even after the invention of security cameras (The Chase had a scene on the top of the building, in an area that was covered by cameras even at the time, I think), the Wotan incident, the first Nestene invasion, etc.
Even if we leave it to just 'Events post '63' we have to deal with the Doctor dealing with a lot of really strange nonsense very near the public eye. And Sarah Jane. And Torchwood, who know the word subtlety only so they can avoid it.
And the 21st century is, after all, where everything is supposed to change in the whoniverse.
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That's only just clicked for me, niether Amy or Rory remember the ghosts/Cybermen Dalek war, Earth moving or multiple planets in the sky. I figured that it was the crack in universe that wiped their memories, but yeah the Silence likely did it.
Also ‘The Impossible Astronaut’ is repeated on BBC3 tonight at 7pm.
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Teaser trailer for "Day of the Moon"
(It's possibly a little spoilerish, because it has footage from the new episode, but it's not much different from the small clips that they usually show on adverts or at the end of the episodes).
Also, there's going to be a prequel for "Curse of the Black Spot"
This video's completely non-spoiler.
I'm SO excited.
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(It's possibly a little spoilerish, because it has footage from the new episode, but it's not much different from the small clips that they usually show on adverts or at the end of the episodes).
Also, there's going to be a prequel for "Curse of the Black Spot"
This video's completely non-spoiler.
I'm SO excited.
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Mantichorus
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Those are both examples that the Doctor himself used - I would have thought a much more obvious one for the Doctor to have used would have been the Cyberman invasion (when we see them climbing out of the sewers).
RE: the trailer for tonight's ep -
the writing on the skin looks awesome, and kinda similar to the acolyte of the Beast (Toby, was that his name?) from The Impossible Planet. Is this a symbol of the Silence taking control, or is it just notes for them to remember the Silence?
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Time for my very rare post. ; )
I'm sure I could really think about it given time. Also,
Okay, my theory on the Time Kiddo. The Silence needed someone to pilot their alien time ship in "The Lodger" and iirc The Doctor touched the ship at that time. So, I'm thinking that they maybe impregnated Amy with Doc's DNA. Time could pass differently with the Silence, so even though they say she has been there many days, I think that she might have carried the baby to full term and they then brought the Time Kid to the orphanage leading to what happened. It's a pretty much flawed theory, due to the picture Amy finds on the desk and the general timescale. But I think it makes sense too. It would also kind of explain why Amy was shown to be preggo and not simultaneously and timey wimey stuff could have messed her up a bit. ; )
I'm sure I could really think about it given time. Also,
looks like River is on the way to the library if she has had her last kiss with The Doctor. : (
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The last 30 seconds BLEW. MY. MIND.
Also, Doctor Who Insider said that the connection between Silence, and "Silence in the Library" was intentional, and that Moffat's been dropping landmine-like clues everywhere. Also, there are supposed to be some answers in episodes 12 & 13 to questions we didn't know we had from episode 1 & 2 of season 5.
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How he managed to defeat the Silence was absolutely ingenious. I loved that the Silence are essentially devoid of their own technology, because they just convince other beings to do things for them.
I still hold to my theory about the Silence having a temporal state affecting them, like the Weeping Angels do. That would explain how information about them also manages to fade away after time. That way they wouldn't have to be intentionally erasing everything themselves.
Yet another sad episode seeing how things end for River. I can't wait to see more, and then watch the episodes through again in order for her timeline. Her character's being built so wonderfully. I can hardly imagine when the halfway tipping point hits and their situations become reversed.
The Amy/Rory tension was well managed. I hope we get a little bit more of Pond being bold in Curse of the Black Spot, though. I have a feeling that our child Time Lord, Amy, the Silence, & re-writing time is all going to start to come together.
Either way. Mind blown, and totally giddy about the episode.
I still hold to my theory about the Silence having a temporal state affecting them, like the Weeping Angels do. That would explain how information about them also manages to fade away after time. That way they wouldn't have to be intentionally erasing everything themselves.
Yet another sad episode seeing how things end for River. I can't wait to see more, and then watch the episodes through again in order for her timeline. Her character's being built so wonderfully. I can hardly imagine when the halfway tipping point hits and their situations become reversed.
The Amy/Rory tension was well managed. I hope we get a little bit more of Pond being bold in Curse of the Black Spot, though. I have a feeling that our child Time Lord, Amy, the Silence, & re-writing time is all going to start to come together.
Either way. Mind blown, and totally giddy about the episode.
Also, Doctor Who Insider said that the connection between Silence, and "Silence in the Library" was intentional, and that Moffat's been dropping landmine-like clues everywhere. Also, there are supposed to be some answers in episodes 12 & 13 to questions we didn't know we had from episode 1 & 2 of season 5.
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Max Caulfield
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Just finished the new episode.
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Mantichorus
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I have to say that I've come to the same conclusion as mooglet - that
I liked the marks on the skin
However, while I admit the guile the Doctor used to undermine the Silence at the end,
I loved the end bit with Canton and Nixon, over the matter of Canton's marriage. XD
Also, I went to see Thor yesterday. While I was waiting for it to start, a couple of guys in the row in front of me were having a discussion of Doctor Who. In short, (a) they aren't convinced that Matt Smith can do the "angry" Doctor as well as David Tennant, and (b) they dislike the fact that since the revival, the production team has kept the same regeneration sequence for each time.
the girl is somehow Amy's daughter. How she got to that particular time/space point I don't know. I doubt that it's the intervention of the Silence - at least, not the Silence of that time frame - as the girl at the end who regenerates is almost certainly the same girl who had been in the space suit.
I liked the marks on the skin
to record how many times they encountered one of the Silence. I also liked the payoff that it was Rory that Amy was talking about falling out of the sky into her life. =D
However, while I admit the guile the Doctor used to undermine the Silence at the end,
morally, all I could hear was Davros:
"The man who abhors violence, never carrying a gun. But this is the truth, Doctor. You take ordinary people and you fashion them into weapons."
The fact that the Silence had been on Earth since "the Wheel and the Fire" suggests that they weren't as genocidal as most Whovian antagonists, but the Doctor turned the whole human race into a weapon for genocide.
"The man who abhors violence, never carrying a gun. But this is the truth, Doctor. You take ordinary people and you fashion them into weapons."
The fact that the Silence had been on Earth since "the Wheel and the Fire" suggests that they weren't as genocidal as most Whovian antagonists, but the Doctor turned the whole human race into a weapon for genocide.
I loved the end bit with Canton and Nixon, over the matter of Canton's marriage. XD
Also, I went to see Thor yesterday. While I was waiting for it to start, a couple of guys in the row in front of me were having a discussion of Doctor Who. In short, (a) they aren't convinced that Matt Smith can do the "angry" Doctor as well as David Tennant, and (b) they dislike the fact that since the revival, the production team has kept the same regeneration sequence for each time.
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It's speculation time again, because I've had time to spin things in my head for a bit.
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When the Doctor first meets Amy in The Eleventh hour, he says,
"That's a brilliant name. Amelia Pond. Like a name in a fairy tale."
In Time of the Angels, we have River & the Doctor's conversation,
River: "We'll meet again when the Pandorica opens."
Doctor: "The Pandorica. That's a fairy tale."
River: "Aren't we all?"
The Pandorica IS in fact a scenario directly constructed from a fairy tale that Amy enjoyed as a child.
Now, we're having "The Curse of the Black Spot" which is a reference to Treasure Island.
Now, all of this certainly has a point. The fairy tales have been centering around Amy, who also had the running theme of The Doctor as her imaginary friend. There's also the fact that we saw the picture of Amy & the child Time Lord from the space suit, and I'm almost certain that this is tied in to the greater scheme of things, because that relationship is one that often consists of reading those types of stories.
This gets exceptionally odd, when Amy find the child's room with the steel door in Graystark Hall. There's a lady with an eyepatch who looks at her through a slot in the door that vanishes when it's closed. Not only does the slot vanish, but she's not in the room when Amy enters. Perhaps even more disturbingly is what the woman says, "No, I think she's just dreaming." Whether or not this is somehow connected to Amy's pregnancy seen with the Dream Lord is very unclear, but it's got my head spinning out of control as to what's up with this little Pond Time Lord.
"That's a brilliant name. Amelia Pond. Like a name in a fairy tale."
In Time of the Angels, we have River & the Doctor's conversation,
River: "We'll meet again when the Pandorica opens."
Doctor: "The Pandorica. That's a fairy tale."
River: "Aren't we all?"
The Pandorica IS in fact a scenario directly constructed from a fairy tale that Amy enjoyed as a child.
Now, we're having "The Curse of the Black Spot" which is a reference to Treasure Island.
Now, all of this certainly has a point. The fairy tales have been centering around Amy, who also had the running theme of The Doctor as her imaginary friend. There's also the fact that we saw the picture of Amy & the child Time Lord from the space suit, and I'm almost certain that this is tied in to the greater scheme of things, because that relationship is one that often consists of reading those types of stories.
This gets exceptionally odd, when Amy find the child's room with the steel door in Graystark Hall. There's a lady with an eyepatch who looks at her through a slot in the door that vanishes when it's closed. Not only does the slot vanish, but she's not in the room when Amy enters. Perhaps even more disturbingly is what the woman says, "No, I think she's just dreaming." Whether or not this is somehow connected to Amy's pregnancy seen with the Dream Lord is very unclear, but it's got my head spinning out of control as to what's up with this little Pond Time Lord.
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To start off with, we've seen one splinter timeline so far: Amy's Starless Life. The one where, as a child, she remembers the stars, even though they're not there anymore, and never actually existed.
What's really interesting about this timeline is that, when the Doctor puts the regeneration field into the exploding TARDIS, it restores everything (except him). Essentially this means that the timestream/timeline gets really odd.
Timeline 1: X --> 6/26/2010.
Timeline 2: 1 AD --> a little after Easter 1996.
Timeline 3: X --> Current.
Amy manages to remember things that were erased from her timestream. I believe that this mysterious quality is also what allows her to almost remember the Silence. Where everyone else is completely oblivious once they look away, Amy seems to continually exhibit signs of briefly remembering them, that fade a few seconds later, like when she speaks to the security guard after encountering the Silent in the restroom.
Perhaps equally as interestingly, Rory still remembers being a Roman. He describes it like having a door that he can choose to remember or not. There's something about remembering the other timelines that seems like it's going to become extremely important.
What's really interesting about this timeline is that, when the Doctor puts the regeneration field into the exploding TARDIS, it restores everything (except him). Essentially this means that the timestream/timeline gets really odd.
Timeline 1: X --> 6/26/2010.
Timeline 2: 1 AD --> a little after Easter 1996.
Timeline 3: X --> Current.
• The crack appears in Amy's Wall.
• Amy's parents are somehow unwritten / removed from time.
• Easter 1996¹, The Doctor shows up and meets Amelia Pond, and then gets in to stabilize the TARDIS and vanishes.
• 2008¹ the Doctor shows back up, and saves Earth from Prisoner Zero & the Atraxi, then takes a 'quick' trip to the Moon.
• 6/26/2010¹ Amy & the Doctor start their Time travelling.
• Rory gets unwritten from time, modifying the original timeline.
- Although, Rory is erased from the timeline, he manages to leave behind the Ring, which although he shouldn't have even existed to bring it, it's likely that the fact that it was left in the TARDIS is the reason it remained there.
• 1 AD² Rory gets re-created from Amy's memories as an Auton by The Alliance.
• Amy remembers Rory, and is (almost) killed.
• Amy is sealed in the Pandorica.
• 6/26/2010¹, the TARDIS arrives at Amy's broken house, and then explodes with River trapped inside.
- There is a picture of Rory in Amy's house even though he doesn't exist yet. Whether this is an after effect of the memories of him already having been used by The Alliance is unclear. It could also be an effect of the crack in Amy's wall, or some special timeline, since the TARDIS was guided there by an outside force.
• A most of time is un-written.
• Easter 1996², (other) Amelia remembers the stars, even though they've never existed.
• The Pandorica is thrown into the exploding TARDIS.
• Time is re-written.
- This should fix anything was was destroyed by the TARDIS exploding, and thus also the cracks in time/space. Assumedly this doesn't seem to cover anything consumed by the Time Energy in the cracks, which is why Amy has to remember her parents to bring them back.
• The cracks in time are healed, with the Doctor left on the other side, in the other universe that disappears.
• 6/26/2010³ Rory & Amy's parents are re-written into Time by her.
- Amy's house is particularly interesting. Although River was there on the night before Amy's Wedding, there were landing marks, and the door was broken in. None of this is present in this re-written timeline.
• The Doctor is re-written into time by Amy.
• Amy's parents are somehow unwritten / removed from time.
• Easter 1996¹, The Doctor shows up and meets Amelia Pond, and then gets in to stabilize the TARDIS and vanishes.
• 2008¹ the Doctor shows back up, and saves Earth from Prisoner Zero & the Atraxi, then takes a 'quick' trip to the Moon.
• 6/26/2010¹ Amy & the Doctor start their Time travelling.
• Rory gets unwritten from time, modifying the original timeline.
- Although, Rory is erased from the timeline, he manages to leave behind the Ring, which although he shouldn't have even existed to bring it, it's likely that the fact that it was left in the TARDIS is the reason it remained there.
• 1 AD² Rory gets re-created from Amy's memories as an Auton by The Alliance.
• Amy remembers Rory, and is (almost) killed.
• Amy is sealed in the Pandorica.
• 6/26/2010¹, the TARDIS arrives at Amy's broken house, and then explodes with River trapped inside.
- There is a picture of Rory in Amy's house even though he doesn't exist yet. Whether this is an after effect of the memories of him already having been used by The Alliance is unclear. It could also be an effect of the crack in Amy's wall, or some special timeline, since the TARDIS was guided there by an outside force.
• A most of time is un-written.
• Easter 1996², (other) Amelia remembers the stars, even though they've never existed.
• The Pandorica is thrown into the exploding TARDIS.
• Time is re-written.
- This should fix anything was was destroyed by the TARDIS exploding, and thus also the cracks in time/space. Assumedly this doesn't seem to cover anything consumed by the Time Energy in the cracks, which is why Amy has to remember her parents to bring them back.
• The cracks in time are healed, with the Doctor left on the other side, in the other universe that disappears.
• 6/26/2010³ Rory & Amy's parents are re-written into Time by her.
- Amy's house is particularly interesting. Although River was there on the night before Amy's Wedding, there were landing marks, and the door was broken in. None of this is present in this re-written timeline.
• The Doctor is re-written into time by Amy.
Amy manages to remember things that were erased from her timestream. I believe that this mysterious quality is also what allows her to almost remember the Silence. Where everyone else is completely oblivious once they look away, Amy seems to continually exhibit signs of briefly remembering them, that fade a few seconds later, like when she speaks to the security guard after encountering the Silent in the restroom.
Perhaps equally as interestingly, Rory still remembers being a Roman. He describes it like having a door that he can choose to remember or not. There's something about remembering the other timelines that seems like it's going to become extremely important.
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Ryushikaze
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Minor counterpoint to the above- that which is 'erased' doesn't cease to have ever existed, it just ceases to exist and be remembered. At the very least, the consequences of their actions DO remain, like the Angel's victims or Rory's Photo or the Doctor and all of reality.
You know how the Doctor was stuck on the other side of the cracks? I think the Silence are as well... sort of.
But yes, Amy Pond's Universe filled head is definitely a big player in all of this.
Addendum: The reason Rory remembers his time as an Auton is also related to the Universe in Amy's head being used to set things right. Because the universe poured through the cracks and into her, she was in a unique position to actually recreate the universe, more or less, based on her memories- her own, and those of the universe. That included the Rory who protected her for nearly 2000 years. Because she remembers Rory the Roman (and he was, in part, created from the imprint of Rory found in her Psyche) Rory remembers his time as an Auton, even though it wasn't technically him. Sort of like he was copied back onto the original Rory.
Of course, I'm also of the mind that things which fall through the cracks actually wind up IN Amy's memory somehow, in a strange way that makes me think of the Second Doctor's story in which he actually landed in a different universe where reality and fiction were the same.
You know how the Doctor was stuck on the other side of the cracks? I think the Silence are as well... sort of.
But yes, Amy Pond's Universe filled head is definitely a big player in all of this.
Addendum: The reason Rory remembers his time as an Auton is also related to the Universe in Amy's head being used to set things right. Because the universe poured through the cracks and into her, she was in a unique position to actually recreate the universe, more or less, based on her memories- her own, and those of the universe. That included the Rory who protected her for nearly 2000 years. Because she remembers Rory the Roman (and he was, in part, created from the imprint of Rory found in her Psyche) Rory remembers his time as an Auton, even though it wasn't technically him. Sort of like he was copied back onto the original Rory.
Of course, I'm also of the mind that things which fall through the cracks actually wind up IN Amy's memory somehow, in a strange way that makes me think of the Second Doctor's story in which he actually landed in a different universe where reality and fiction were the same.
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Counter-counter point: "If the time-energy catches up with you you'll never have been born. It'll erase every moment of your existence. You will never have lived at all." Also, the consequence of Amy looking into the eyes of the Angel that's stuck in her eye is removed when that Angel is erased, because it never existed.
Here's the Preview of "Curse of the Black Spot"
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Here's the Preview of "Curse of the Black Spot"
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Ryushikaze
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Counter-counter point: "If the time-energy catches up with you you'll never have been born. It'll erase every moment of your existence. You will never have lived at all." Also, the consequence of Amy looking into the eyes of the Angel that's stuck in her eye is removed when that Angel is erased, because it never existed.
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Counter Counter Counter point-
The society which had been destroyed by the arrival of the angels and their predations was still destroyed.
We SEE that the actions of erased entities still impact the known reality after their erasure. That would seem to trump the dialogue.
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I hadn't considered the most obvious one: Amy's parents are gone, but she's still there. I'm assuming that this means that there's some limitations on the scope of the effects that are cancelled out. The Angel disappearing would still happen, because it directly requires the angel, because it's an image in your mind. This still doesn't precisely explain how an image of Rory manages to survive in the book about Romans in Amy's house when River arrives, though I have already chalked that up to the Crack in Amy's wall, or her mysteriously powerful memory.
EDIT: Just saw this, and it's absolutely brilliant. It gives me a really interesting idea. When her memories were used to re-create the universe, it may have also copied parts of Amy's memories of fairy tales and made them real as well. That means that Amy's child could be a Time Lord, because she (unintentionally) made a Time Lord when she re-created everything, somewhat based on her fantasy adventures with her imaginary friend when she was a little girl who wanted to be just like her raggedy doctor.
ALSO, since I hadn't seen anyone post about it yet, there's a little Viral thing taking place that's really intersting.
Official Doctor Who Site: Fourth Dimension Italic Clues
The Impossible Astronaut:
"All the secrets you seek can be found on the Webb."
The Day of the Moon:
"We found your message! You're alive! But what secrets d'you mean my friend?"
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Well, fuck...
I'd gotten so wrapped up with the very existence of the little Pond Time Lord that the implications of the most obvious fact of all didn't even hit me until today.
We saw her regenerating.
...so, now we have NO idea who she is.
She could be ANYONE. I'm not even sure if her regeneration would be limited to someone the same size, since I'm not sure how much mass changes would affect someone who's already so little. Would she stay the same size, or get smaller/larger? Now I'm gonna be paranoid about everyone new.
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I'd gotten so wrapped up with the very existence of the little Pond Time Lord that the implications of the most obvious fact of all didn't even hit me until today.
We saw her regenerating.
...so, now we have NO idea who she is.
She could be ANYONE. I'm not even sure if her regeneration would be limited to someone the same size, since I'm not sure how much mass changes would affect someone who's already so little. Would she stay the same size, or get smaller/larger? Now I'm gonna be paranoid about everyone new.
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Ryushikaze
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Well, fuck...
I'd gotten so wrapped up with the very existence of the little Pond Time Lord that the implications of the most obvious fact of all didn't even hit me until today.
We saw her regenerating.
...so, now we have NO idea who she is.
She could be ANYONE. I'm not even sure if her regeneration would be limited to someone the same size, since I'm not sure how much mass changes would affect someone who's already so little. Would she stay the same size, or get smaller/larger? Now I'm gonna be paranoid about everyone new.
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She also regenerated in 1969/70. She's got 40 years to grow into her new form, assuming she's got no access to time travel, doesn't regenerate again, and we meet her on present day earth. If she does get time travel or regenerate, well, fuck.
She doesn't even have to be a child next time.
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Fuck. I'd forgotten about the fact that it as still 1969. River offed the Silence crew, and so I'm assuming that the Time Engine TARDIS replica likely just fell into the time where it ends up on the flat in The Lodger with a dead crew.
For a moment, let's look at the motivations of the Silence. They're building a TARDIS-like device, because they probably know that this little girl is a Time Lord. What does that mean? How is she here? How did the Silence get her? Also - what is their motivation? They're terrifying, and they generally seem uncaring, but they don't tell the Doctor anything. They may have selfish reasons to be keeping a Time Lord as well, which could make them more dangerous. They may have even known that River could fly the TARDIS, which would let them both capture the Doctor in 1AD and destroy the TARDIS with River trapped inside in 2010. One wonders then if River could be their little Time Lord; hardened by the world of living on the run from the Silence and an Archaeologist looking for her missing past. It also gives a reason for there to be Silence in the Library.
If it somehow comes about that this little girl eventually turns out to be River Song, then The Doctor's going to be MAJORLY /gutted knowing that there's nothing that he can do to save her, and he's already still the last Time Lord, and will want to spend as much time with her as possible, until they never meet again. That would fit with the idea of "everything changes" when he finds out, and would explain her relation to killing a good man, with the little girl, and the space suit that comes to kill him. It would also explain why he'd give her his screwdriver to save her, and why he trusts her completely enough to tell her his name. It may also explain why she knows High Gallifreyan, because even if The Doctor taught it to her, her being a Time Lord would give him a reason to do so. Because of the nature of their backwards relationship, he's going to be responsible for everything she becomes that we've already seen, and this might give us a reason why she is the way she is.
There's still a lot of questions, but the pieces seem to be slowly slipping into more of an understandable picture. Still, props to Steven Moffat for blinding the audience from such an obvious thing as regeneration by the overwhelming implications that it carried. He's an evil writing genuis.
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Not to unintentionally bump the thread, but I did make a rather lengthy tumblr post speculating how some things will play out. As usually, a lot of prefaced in my posts here, but hopefully it's still a good read.
My favorite part is that I typically seem to get little parts correct, and others HORRIBLY wrong when I speculate so broadly, but it's fun to look back and see how close/far I was, and I wanted to make sure any of you folks who were interested had a chance to see this before the Curse of the Black Spot comes out.
http://xsoldier.tumblr.com/post/5225307181/doctor-who-series-six-speculation-two-worlds-fairy
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My favorite part is that I typically seem to get little parts correct, and others HORRIBLY wrong when I speculate so broadly, but it's fun to look back and see how close/far I was, and I wanted to make sure any of you folks who were interested had a chance to see this before the Curse of the Black Spot comes out.
http://xsoldier.tumblr.com/post/5225307181/doctor-who-series-six-speculation-two-worlds-fairy
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Ryushikaze
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Personally, I'm not sure River Song is the Pondling, but I'm not going to rule it out just yet.
I DO think that Amy's Fairy Tales have blurred into the world since the Pandorica, but then again, many of them have been there since a long time ago.
I DO think that Amy's Fairy Tales have blurred into the world since the Pandorica, but then again, many of them have been there since a long time ago.
Mantichorus
"I've seen enough."
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- Kris; Mantichorus; Sam Vimes; Neku Sakuraba; Koki Kariya; Hazama; CuChulainn; Yu Narukami; Mewtwo; Rival Silver; Suicune; Kanata; Professor Oak; The Brigadier; VIII; The Engineer
=The Cybermen will return later this year. As with last year, they're this dimension's Cybermen, but they're stll using the AU-Cybermen from the RTD era. Sigh.
=The image in Doctor Who Magazine (hereafter DWM) shows the Cybermen with Rory in his centurion get-up.
=Dorium, the trader who gave River her vortex manipulator, will appear in episode 7, A Good Man Goes to War.
=Episodes 5 & 6 - The Rebel Flash & The Almost People- are a two-parter.
=Episode 4, The Doctor's Wife... DWM advises you avoid TV listing magazines for the next week, as there's a HUGE, world-changing spoiler that unfortunately is at the end of the preview tape that is sent to such publications. (They get the first 20mins of an ep.)
=The only spoiler for ep4 I have is this dialogue:
=The image in Doctor Who Magazine (hereafter DWM) shows the Cybermen with Rory in his centurion get-up.
=Dorium, the trader who gave River her vortex manipulator, will appear in episode 7, A Good Man Goes to War.
=Episodes 5 & 6 - The Rebel Flash & The Almost People- are a two-parter.
=Episode 4, The Doctor's Wife... DWM advises you avoid TV listing magazines for the next week, as there's a HUGE, world-changing spoiler that unfortunately is at the end of the preview tape that is sent to such publications. (They get the first 20mins of an ep.)
=The only spoiler for ep4 I have is this dialogue:
Sheva Alomar
I'm Alive and on Fire
- AKA
- Adri, Sir Integra, Fiona, Sango
I totally got this shirt to physically represent my love for Who. Unfortunately I forgot to link it in here so other people could order it if they wanted. 
http://www.teefury.com/archive/1204/Don_t_Blink/
http://www.teefury.com/archive/1204/Don_t_Blink/
Ryushikaze
Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
- AKA
- Tim, Ryu
I mean I glimpsed him and may the gods help him or perhaps you can
So, eyepatch lady again. Encouraging, this time.
Also, EMH/Siren shipping go go.
I really do like that Rory and Amy are both companions now. Brings back a dynamic we haven't had in ages that I liked. I especially like how Rory's training has actually become relevant, like WAYYYY back in the first doctor era when Ian and Barbara had skills relevant in their adventures, even if only to explain 'Oh, we're here' to the audience.
Also, Rory- dies a lot, but gets better. This is the third time, if we're technical.
Cracktastic theory AHOY-
The reason Amy has a time baby isn't because of Timey wimey wibbly wobbly or because she's a timelord, but Rory is actually the Doctor's illegitimate child.
Next week- Ooh, Old doctor and Ood. Fuck the Sensorites for ever making them (Yes, I know that's not official. Makes more sense than them not being an engineered race, though)
X-SOLDIER
Harbinger O Great Justice
- AKA
- X
So,
This was finally an episode where nothing that I predicted for the long term had me shouting, "Ignore all my previous theories!!!" like the Doctor was so prone to in this episode. Good, and fun adventure. Moffat is NEVER going to stop killing Rory, and does a damn good job of making his audience constantly worry. I'd figured out the Siren to a good degree, but the parallel worlds didn't hit me until it was revealed. Quite glad to see it though, as it keeps my train of thought moving in the right direction.
That eyepatch lady still has me wondering... Do her earrings make anyone else think of the headsets that the pre-converted Cybermen had been frequently seen with in the pre-11th Doctor episodes from the alternate universe? Could they have found a way to observe this reality again after Big Bang 2, or are they doing something else?
Next week is going to be a TRIP. If anyone remembers from the trailer,
. That alone has me a bit on the edge of my seat, let alone the Ood, Neil Gaiman writing, and everything else. I also accidentally stumbled upon this little minute long clip of the episode, which.... is terrifying (and rather spoilerish).
X
This was finally an episode where nothing that I predicted for the long term had me shouting, "Ignore all my previous theories!!!" like the Doctor was so prone to in this episode. Good, and fun adventure. Moffat is NEVER going to stop killing Rory, and does a damn good job of making his audience constantly worry. I'd figured out the Siren to a good degree, but the parallel worlds didn't hit me until it was revealed. Quite glad to see it though, as it keeps my train of thought moving in the right direction.
That eyepatch lady still has me wondering... Do her earrings make anyone else think of the headsets that the pre-converted Cybermen had been frequently seen with in the pre-11th Doctor episodes from the alternate universe? Could they have found a way to observe this reality again after Big Bang 2, or are they doing something else?
Next week is going to be a TRIP. If anyone remembers from the trailer,
that terrifying entity says, "I've killed HUNDREDS of Time Lords."
X
Ryushikaze
Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
- AKA
- Tim, Ryu
A thought- Moffat keeps killing Rory or very nearly.
This is going to get us expecting his death and immediate recovery.
Then Moffat is going to kill someone else we quite like.
It's been done before, quite effectively. Cait Sith's revolving door death and then SHANK.
I'm almost hoping that nothing of the sort happens, now, because that would be unexpected.
This is going to get us expecting his death and immediate recovery.
Then Moffat is going to kill someone else we quite like.
It's been done before, quite effectively. Cait Sith's revolving door death and then SHANK.
I'm almost hoping that nothing of the sort happens, now, because that would be unexpected.