Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Spoiler Thread)

Kuja9001

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roxas9001, Krat0s9001, DarkSlayerZero
The last thing I feel like pointing out in this discussion is that Noel responded to Caius' remarks about destroying time with what was essentially "What are you on, wtf are you talking about?" The ending actually covers this. Noel remembers that stabbing the Heart leads to the death of Etro and the destruction of time after Serah is already dead. (When Mog says that the Goddess is gone) Prior to that both Noel and Serah believed Caius' main objected was to smash Cocoon into Gran Pulse, causing countless deaths and flinging Etro's Gate wide enough for the Chaos to get through. You can chalk it up to them being stupid if you like, them not understanding, them not believing Caius, etc.

Personally, I think it's because Noel and Serah still thought the goal was to drop Cocoon, and the fact that the 'memory' of Noel fighting Caius was from before he got to Valhalla. I mean, Lightning told them in New Bodhum 700AF that Caius was going to smash Cocoon into Bhunivelze to achieve the same effect. Meanwhile from the memory, Caius appeared to abandon the Noel plan in favor of going to Valhalla and slaying the Goddess personally. It would've seemed like an abandoned plan to Noel and Serah, even though the Fragments made it sound like Noel was Caius' best shot.

Anyway, m'done now. Gonna hang out in the chatbox and shoot the breeze for a while.

1. He abandoned the "Use Noel" plan after he saw how weak Noel was.
2. He then went with the "Kill Etro directly" plan, Light was there to stop him.
3. After learning about Light's plan(using N/S), Caius used Aylssa.
4. The "Smash Bhunivelze into Old Cocoon" plan would've went well if Fang/Vanille didn't interfere.
5. After those failed, Caius went back to "Use Noel" plan(Since he got stronger during the journey).
 

Leaferian

Sunflower Knight
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Leafé
1. He abandoned the "Use Noel" plan after he saw how weak Noel was.
2. He then went with the "Kill Etro directly" plan, Light was there to stop him.
3. After learning about Light's plan(using N/S), Caius used Aylssa.
4. The "Smash Bhunivelze into Old Cocoon" plan would've went well if Fang/Vanille didn't interfere.
5. After those failed, Caius went back to "Use Noel" plan(Since he got stronger during the journey).
First of all, I know 1-3 and 5. Although technically, 3 is slightly off. Yeul saw visions of Noel and Serah's journey, and Caius met them several times on his road to the future. Yeul claims that Caius remembers all the versions of the timeline, unlike regular people who forget other histories when time changes. He would have already known about their journey before traveling to the realm of the Goddess. At any rate, I'm talking about from Noel and Serah's perspective, compared to what actually happened. I'm not really sure why you posted this in response to me?

And 4 is completely irrelevant. Fang and Vanille helped Serah (Actually, just showed her how to get out faster so she didn't have to look for a way on her own. They make it a point to mention this), and THEN Lightning told them about the plan to smash the two arks into each other. That plan didn't fail until Noel and Serah beat Caius on the top of the airship in 500AF, and forced him to retreat to Valhalla.

Furthermore, 'The Goddess is Dead' reveals Caius knew exactly the way things were going to turn out. He didn't want to stop Noel and Serah, because he knew that through all of their trials (including his trap in the Void Beyond) Noel would become strong enough to kill him. If they reached him, Noel would be his way out. If not, crashing the arks would do just fine. The man had over a thousand years and knowledge of the future to prepare, he was able to plan for pretty much every scenario.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
Game play related only...
< 30 hrs will have to be another time, but I'm now at 33 hours 23 minutes, 155 fragments done. I have 3 Paradox Ending battles left, Yomi and the Beastiary fragment, from which I in addition to the mentioned are missing Raspatil, Proto-Behemoth, Tezcatlipoca, Chelicerata, Schrodinger and Forked Cat. That Yomi bitch is gonna be the last thing I do.

The crystariums are nearly done so the best thing would be to go for Raspatil to get gil, but I'm a little scared... I remember he kicked my butt last time. That being said, I haven't sold anything yet, and I'm pretty sure I could sell shitloads of stuff to get enough gil for monster materials should I need any.

Oh and the game has been Monster crystal dropping like a proper slut. I got 7 crystals out of 6 battles. In a row.
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
Regardless of what Noel remembered, Caius set himself so that he couldn't lose. All he needed was to break down the barriers of Valhalla and the real world and to do that he needed to

A. Destroy Etros himself- which Lightning was stalemating with Caius for
B. Open the floodgate of souls- which Hope was trying to stop
C. Destroy Etros' heart- which Noel was suppose to do.

You could try and attempt to thwart his plans and not kill him, or maybe imprison him, but how do you permanently stop someone who is just as strong and smart as you, is alive throughout all the timeline, and turns into a dragon whenever he wants to. You either stop him permanently, or he lives another day to see the world destroyed. He only needs to win once.

The only real way to stop him is for Noel to kill him before he's mentally ready and have him inherit the heart. Hilariously, the only reason he is mentally ready for it is because he just went on a really long, soul searching journey with Serah- had he killed Caius in the beginning, he would have just gotten his heart, Caius would be dead, and his plans would have been thwarted. Not that I'm blaming Noel, he wasn't strong enough at first and since he's the person that values human life, if he couldn't put his heart in it then he probably would not been able to muster up the strength to defeat him.

But it just goes to show you, the entire reason why Serah is dead and Noel was able to destroy the heart of Chaos and end the world... was because they went on the journey in the first place.

It's a lot like XIII in the sense, where the world is at danger because you try to save it, but with vastly different outcomes.

Granted, Caius probably would have won if they didn't try to help. But he won anyway, it was all about postponing the inevitable.
Personally, I think it's because Noel and Serah still thought the goal was to drop Cocoon, and the fact that the 'memory' of Noel fighting Caius was from before he got to Valhalla.
I link it to both stupidity and being understandable. All things considered, Noel didn't even begin this journey to stop Caius, it was more about finding Lightning and stopping a disaster (which only turned out later to be Cains-induced).

He clearly didn't understand what Caius was doing and at that time, was going through an extremely emotional time, with Yuel dying, with being the last person on the planet, with wandering so long he wanted to die, with his anger at Caius for leaving them. And then right after, with knowing Serah has the same problem as Yuel.

It was dumb, but it was also a time when everything was being thrown out on him and he really didn't have time to really process it.

And it leaves an empty space of information about the world that can only be filled by the datalog.
This is exactly what I thought, but only more eloquently put than I could. The problem with no towns is that you don't have ways of expanding lore more naturally. And with XIII, you really needed to because the lore was complicated and had a strong amount of new terminology they just throw at you.

Thinking of VII, you always kind of knew what mako energy was, but really got a better feel for it just by talking to people on how they rely on it, or how much it was polluting their land without ringing up to the datalog. XIII makes sense for what it did, but it's still something they had to sacrifice.

XIII-2 still relied on the datalog but all things considered, they did it better. It was more fun anyway.

They kind of almost rectified that with XIII-2, but none of the places really felt like a "hub" to return to, aside from maybe the Steppe.
I think they did rectify it for the most part, I don't mind not having a hub. But as far as getting better tidbits of information, on things like time travel, how it affects life, how the population and culture was like, and Academia- it did its purpose.

I think the only thing I have to argue with is that if you are going to do a time travel story, I want to see how the world develops, not just run around in ruins that don't ever change. It makes the world feel lazy. I would have liked to see how Academia changed from 3AF, to 100AF, to 400AF because that gives me a real feeling on how time has changed. Or even New Bohdum, you only see it in its initial story, and after it is destroyed.

Until then, it's just filter changes in different locals, and occasionally different attitudes from the people.

The crystariums are nearly done so the best thing would be to go for Raspatil to get gil, but I'm a little scared... I remember he kicked my butt last time. That being said, I haven't sold anything yet, and I'm pretty sure I could sell shitloads of stuff to get enough gil for monster materials should I need any.
Oh god Ras and Yomi, I hated them. That said, if you're pretty much leveled up completely, it won't be hard. Fully leveled post game, the only real consistent challenges are the dlc battles.
 
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Fangu

Great Old One
DONE!

I managed to get all 160 fragments in 36 hours, 11 minutes and 50 seconds :monster:

Now with some serious strategizing, one should be able to get under 30 hours, but the journey has to be planned a bit better than what I did. I actually even let some cutscenes play on this round, because there was a few I hadn't seen in a while and wanted to see.

I had to spend every last gil I had on monster upgrades to take down Raspatil and Yomi, but it wasn't hard once I remembered the strategies :P I also only have three thousand something coins left, I'm gonna have to go back with Sazh and play some poker, then maybe do some DLC's... but whatever I do I'm not on the clock anymore, which is nice.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
Just Platinumed XIII-2, it's my first Platinum ever. I feel accomplished :monster:

End time for 160 fragments and Platinum: 45 hours 25 minutes.

The funny thing is I had 2 x Gilfinder MAX and 1 x Gilfinder II on while getting Clock Stopper, so I now have 538,998 gil in the bank. BUCKETS OF CHAMPAGNE FOR SERAH & NOEL & MONSTERS
 

Lex

Administrator
A platinum always feels awesome, well done :monster:

I wish I could have congratulated you in IRC but every time I attempt to log on it won't let me. I'll probably do a run through XIII-2 in the coming month.
 

Cthulhu

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Oh, accidentally opened this thread, :monster:.

Still playing, approaching the ending, I think. Now sorta-backtracking again and getting fragments. Odin weapons, etc.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
<Fangu> OMFG I got Snow on my first try AGAIN
<Fangu> THAT BITCH IS SO HARD FOR ME
<Cthulhu> That bastard!
<Fangu> I LOVE HIM
<Fangu> HE WANTS ME
<Fangu> NEXT STOP ORGASMVILLE
<Cthulhu> ._.
<Cthulhu> EVERYBODY TAKE COVER
<Cthulhu> SHE´S GONNA BLOW!!
 

AvecAloes

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Congrats on the Platinum, Fangu! I haven't plantinumed anything, generally because of CBAedness, also teeeeeedious.
 

Lex

Administrator
It can be really tedious. I only attempt it with my favourite games because I see it as 100% completion, even though it's technically not :monster:
 

Fangu

Great Old One
I don't think I'll ever get the Platinum for Uncharted 3. That list is ridiculous.

I found this fan art on DeviantArt, here. She (he?) is doing ME/XIII crossover art. I have to say, Lebreau looks pretty damn cool in this pic.

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