Arianna
Holy, Personified
- AKA
- Katie; Seta.
Final Fantasy XIII-2 (Spoiler Thread)
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Cthulhu
Administrator
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- Yop
Novus
Pro Adventurer
The fal'Cie were the most fascinating part of XIII for me. I was happy to see Snow with a Fal'cie brand in XIII-2 indicating it wasn't over, or maybe it is and it was part of the DLC I was supposed to pay for with my credit card. I genuinely don't know.
Originally (at the end of XIII) I would have been happy for them to remain ambigious (Lindzei ect), if it would have been one game(FFXIII) it could have been interpreted that Dysley was also Lindzei, but at the rate the sequels are being produced they may as well spill out all the mythology.
Originally (at the end of XIII) I would have been happy for them to remain ambigious (Lindzei ect), if it would have been one game(FFXIII) it could have been interpreted that Dysley was also Lindzei, but at the rate the sequels are being produced they may as well spill out all the mythology.
Splintered
unsavory tart
That reminds me, there's only one question that's really getting to me, and is what the hell was Snow's focus and how did he timetravel in the first place. fuuuuuuuu
Arianna
Holy, Personified
- AKA
- Katie; Seta.
He became a l'Cie again to find and bring back Lightning (and I think to free Fang and Vanille, too). I always thought his mission was to stop Caius.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
Who l'Cied him?
Kuja9001
Ooooh Salty!
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- roxas9001, Krat0s9001, DarkSlayerZero
He was able to time travel using Shiva(he went to the void beyond where he saw Sazh then he traveled to other places leaving the Graviton Cores).
We would've found out if I bought Fragments Before instead. Fragments After has a Snow entry though.
Arianna
Holy, Personified
- AKA
- Katie; Seta.
A Gran Pulse fal'Cie, so I would say Pulse.
Kuja9001
Ooooh Salty!
- AKA
- roxas9001, Krat0s9001, DarkSlayerZero
Translations from the novel
200AF Yeul
Lightning
200AF Yeul
Yeul
pg 64
Intermezzo AF (After the Fall )200
The “time” I saw for the first time in my life was of the world in which frozen flower was breaking apart. The petals floated while it gave off an empty light. At first, I thought it was a pretty sight, but something was off. I didn’t really understand why but I was scared.
That was when I started to understand that that scene was something to be feared. Someone was shouting. A large man was reaching out his hand as if to grab something, all the while screaming. Like he was ready to cry at any moment.
I still lived with my parents and had no way to convey the things that I had been seeing. So, it was a short time later when I realized the reason why I had been seeing these things. I saw that man again. Even at that time, he screamed while widely flailing his fully extended arms.
Pg 65
But, his facial expression was surely different from the one he made the first time I saw him. It was when/how(?) he was calling for someone, then I understood. He was looking at a girl. She was dashing across the pure white beach on a chocobo.
The moment I realized the blooming flowers on the roof and the glistening sea I remembered it… The Frozen Flower that I saw for the first time. What was that flower? What did I see? Caius told me that it was a crumbling Cocoon and the scattered floating petals were pieces of scattered crystal. What I, a young girl had seen, was the day of destruction that would happen in the far future.
The flowers that bloom on the ground ease the hearts of people; however, the flowers that bloom in the sky take many lives. For this reason, flowers must not bloom in the sky. Only flowers that can be touched can make people happy…
pg 66
The time that seeresses see possess no regularity and the same people or places do not always appear. Of course, the time periods also differ and it was true that I couldn't detect any relation. Even still, I saw that man twice and that woman many times. I wonder if something is fated to happen between the two of us? Why do I see her so much?
There was always a man with dark hair by her side. It seems that he is of the same clan/family as me. His clothes and the design of his ornaments and I understood that above all else he knows how to activate the Oracle Drive. But, it was clear that the woman was not of my clan. They were a weird bunch.
They were always in places with gates. Before long I saw where they were coming out of the gate.
pg 67
Then I realized that was it. (text blurred on scan) They were traveling across time (?) Was that why I had seen them so many times? (?)
When I told Caius that they came out of the gate his face grew dim( not sure of this line because the kanji is blurred). He punishes those that would disrupt the flow of time. If one disrupts the flow of time, the seeresses see "time" even more. He does not forgive those who would threaten the lives of the seeresses. Caius knew them for some reason. He didn't say much but all he told me was that there was a seeress that traveled to the places where there were gates. Maybe that seeress's life was cut short because she saw them many times. Maybe, their actions and the future that they changed snuffed out her life. Caius say that he would make them pay for their sins in blood. I became very sad the moment I heard him say those words.
pg 68
I remembered that large man. If she dies, he will most certainly be sad. He was calling out for her like a child and I thought for such a large man, he was very cute. So I thought that I would have see this though. If their actions were unforgivable sins or if they were something that possessed an entirely different meaning. If their flower was that of the land or the sky. Maybe I wished to protect them under this pretense. This could have been because I had seen her so many times but before I knew it, I began to feel some affection for her face. I didn't want to make her out to be a criminal. With this in mind, Caius and I headed for Oerba. Surprisingly, the dark haired man knew who Caius was. Those who make a covenant rarely show their form so there are only a few people who know his face.
pg 69
Which means, he is either on of the guardians or a follower of the seeress. He talked to me once he saw me, so he may be one of the guardians. If he had been a follower, it was because he never saw the form after they grow up (not sure who "sees" and who matures so this line is a little nebulous to me, sorry). Naturally, I do not know who he is. I gave him a sensible reply "I am not your Yeul." But these words seemed to hurt him. He looked so sad and hurt. I couldn't stand being there. "Sorry" I apologized within my heart. I wish I was your Yeul. You wouldn't have had to make that face. He greatly cherished the Yeul that wasn't me.
pg 70
Then, he must not be a criminal. Even if his actions are tanamount to unforgivable sin. At Oerba, I learned of his name. I was certain of what they were trying to protect. I felt that I could trust them. I felt that they could grant my wish:
That beyond this moment, the seeresses who are not me, will not see the flower that blooms in the sky
pg 64
Intermezzo AF (After the Fall )200
The “time” I saw for the first time in my life was of the world in which frozen flower was breaking apart. The petals floated while it gave off an empty light. At first, I thought it was a pretty sight, but something was off. I didn’t really understand why but I was scared.
That was when I started to understand that that scene was something to be feared. Someone was shouting. A large man was reaching out his hand as if to grab something, all the while screaming. Like he was ready to cry at any moment.
I still lived with my parents and had no way to convey the things that I had been seeing. So, it was a short time later when I realized the reason why I had been seeing these things. I saw that man again. Even at that time, he screamed while widely flailing his fully extended arms.
Pg 65
But, his facial expression was surely different from the one he made the first time I saw him. It was when/how(?) he was calling for someone, then I understood. He was looking at a girl. She was dashing across the pure white beach on a chocobo.
The moment I realized the blooming flowers on the roof and the glistening sea I remembered it… The Frozen Flower that I saw for the first time. What was that flower? What did I see? Caius told me that it was a crumbling Cocoon and the scattered floating petals were pieces of scattered crystal. What I, a young girl had seen, was the day of destruction that would happen in the far future.
The flowers that bloom on the ground ease the hearts of people; however, the flowers that bloom in the sky take many lives. For this reason, flowers must not bloom in the sky. Only flowers that can be touched can make people happy…
pg 66
The time that seeresses see possess no regularity and the same people or places do not always appear. Of course, the time periods also differ and it was true that I couldn't detect any relation. Even still, I saw that man twice and that woman many times. I wonder if something is fated to happen between the two of us? Why do I see her so much?
There was always a man with dark hair by her side. It seems that he is of the same clan/family as me. His clothes and the design of his ornaments and I understood that above all else he knows how to activate the Oracle Drive. But, it was clear that the woman was not of my clan. They were a weird bunch.
They were always in places with gates. Before long I saw where they were coming out of the gate.
pg 67
Then I realized that was it. (text blurred on scan) They were traveling across time (?) Was that why I had seen them so many times? (?)
When I told Caius that they came out of the gate his face grew dim( not sure of this line because the kanji is blurred). He punishes those that would disrupt the flow of time. If one disrupts the flow of time, the seeresses see "time" even more. He does not forgive those who would threaten the lives of the seeresses. Caius knew them for some reason. He didn't say much but all he told me was that there was a seeress that traveled to the places where there were gates. Maybe that seeress's life was cut short because she saw them many times. Maybe, their actions and the future that they changed snuffed out her life. Caius say that he would make them pay for their sins in blood. I became very sad the moment I heard him say those words.
pg 68
I remembered that large man. If she dies, he will most certainly be sad. He was calling out for her like a child and I thought for such a large man, he was very cute. So I thought that I would have see this though. If their actions were unforgivable sins or if they were something that possessed an entirely different meaning. If their flower was that of the land or the sky. Maybe I wished to protect them under this pretense. This could have been because I had seen her so many times but before I knew it, I began to feel some affection for her face. I didn't want to make her out to be a criminal. With this in mind, Caius and I headed for Oerba. Surprisingly, the dark haired man knew who Caius was. Those who make a covenant rarely show their form so there are only a few people who know his face.
pg 69
Which means, he is either on of the guardians or a follower of the seeress. He talked to me once he saw me, so he may be one of the guardians. If he had been a follower, it was because he never saw the form after they grow up (not sure who "sees" and who matures so this line is a little nebulous to me, sorry). Naturally, I do not know who he is. I gave him a sensible reply "I am not your Yeul." But these words seemed to hurt him. He looked so sad and hurt. I couldn't stand being there. "Sorry" I apologized within my heart. I wish I was your Yeul. You wouldn't have had to make that face. He greatly cherished the Yeul that wasn't me.
pg 70
Then, he must not be a criminal. Even if his actions are tanamount to unforgivable sin. At Oerba, I learned of his name. I was certain of what they were trying to protect. I felt that I could trust them. I felt that they could grant my wish:
That beyond this moment, the seeresses who are not me, will not see the flower that blooms in the sky
Lightning
pg 18
I thought, "Does this place also have a horizon of land and sea?" In Cocoon, there isn't a slight curve that distinguishes sky and sea or sky and land. One cannot measure Cocoon's sky with his/her eyes. Although, there was certainly airspace for birds to fly and for air bikes to be flown back and forth. After fleeing to Gran Pulse, I saw a sky that was liberated from the land and sea for the first time. What was above my head was not a continuation of land or sea but the sky itself. The blueness that hurt my eyes was the color of hope. As long as I was under this sky, there was a way. That's what it seemed like. There was a sky in this place also, just like Gran Pulse. However, the color was cold and oppressive. What I thought of for the first time I looked up at that sky was the people that I cherish. I wonder if Serah's okay? Well, Snow is probably protecting her without a doubt. I wonder if Hope's okay. I wonder if Sazh and his son have been separated? I wonder if Fang and Vanille, the crystal pillar, are not hurt? What of the people of Cocoon who are supported by the crystal pillar...?
pg 19
Engulfed by a strange anomaly and waking up to find she had drifted to the shore of an unknown place, Lightning's biggest concern was everyone's well-being. After that, she pondered of where she was. She realized it was useless no matter how hard she thought after endlessly walking along the beach. No, it may have only seemed like forever. Even though she had trudged through the unforgiving sand she felt no sign of fatigue. She did not feel hunger nor did she thirst. It was strange. Obviously her perception of time is going berserk. She could measure the time she felt relatively accurately. This was because she was a soldier and had been trained in this way. It was strange of her to wonder and not know how much time had passed. Maybe this bizarre sea is the culprit? It does not give off any sound and heedless of the color of the sky, its deep black stretches as far as the eye can see. At first she walked along the beach and she thought she would try to search for an estuary. She could head inland while staying alongside the river without getting lost. Don't lose sight of your current position, such is the inviolable rule when in a foreign land. But she changed her mind. "I should get away from the water."
Furthermore, while walking she noticed that this place was dense with fog. Again, she wondered if she should define this as "fog" but she had seen something that seemed like ruins and now it was masked by something. Although this "something" had the form of fog its color was different. It was a dark color, not black and not grey. Even so one could see, even from far away, that it was not something like soot or smoke. It kind of looks like "that," Lightning said furrowing her brows. The black entity that coiled around her whole body at that time. It did look like fog but when touched one could feel a strange power. She did not want to think that "that" and this drifting fog was the same thing.
pg 22
They were piled in mountains and sold in toy stores for a period of time. They have a gargantuan head and a stomach that bulges with stubby arms and legs along with skinny eyes and a perfect circle of a nose. One couldn't say it was adorable but there was comical and easy to love about it. They were popular with children. Which means, could people possibly be living here? What's more, that includes children that could harbor love for a stuffed toy. However, the toy was very damaged. It was face-down and seemed to be abandoned; it was a bit sad.
"This is mean, even for a stuffed toy."
She thought as she reached out her hand to move the moogle to a more suitable place.
"Mog isn't a stuffed toy, kupo!"
The thing that Lightning thought was a stuffed toy sprang up suddenly. The wings on its back fluttered and its circular form soflty floated in the air. Up until just now, did she think that moogles were fictional beings but it seems that she had been wrong all this time. The summoned beasts of legend actually existed so it wasn't miraculous that moogles existed either. Seeing it move like this proves that it is indeed a living creature. She felt that the hue of her surroundings had changed. A sort of warm, nostalgic, feeling of relief. Then the moogle's wings started to droop and it fell back to the ground.
pg 23
Lightning panicked and called to it. This creature had warmed her heart that had been frozen over by this bizarre place.
"Are you hurt?"
When she looked at it, one side of its wing was a little bent. Maybe it fell from somewhere? Or maybe, it couldn't tell where it was going in the fog and crashed into something?
"Are you okay? Let me see."
She then extended her hand.
"Duel with me, kupo!"
The moogle got up. Although it's voice was cheerful, it was suffering a deep gash; Lightning could see that it's leg was swaying loosely. Just by the soft motion of the wings it looked like a dangling old dish rag.
" A duel? You can't do anything with that gash..."
"It's okay, just duel with me, kupo! That's the rule of Valhalla, kupo!"
"Valhalla?"
Was it talking about this place?
"You don't know the rule, kupo? The weak abide by the strong. It's a rule established by the goddess, kupo."
"Goddess?"
Who could that be?
Could it be a god as it says or maybe some person or monster just playing god?
I thought, "Does this place also have a horizon of land and sea?" In Cocoon, there isn't a slight curve that distinguishes sky and sea or sky and land. One cannot measure Cocoon's sky with his/her eyes. Although, there was certainly airspace for birds to fly and for air bikes to be flown back and forth. After fleeing to Gran Pulse, I saw a sky that was liberated from the land and sea for the first time. What was above my head was not a continuation of land or sea but the sky itself. The blueness that hurt my eyes was the color of hope. As long as I was under this sky, there was a way. That's what it seemed like. There was a sky in this place also, just like Gran Pulse. However, the color was cold and oppressive. What I thought of for the first time I looked up at that sky was the people that I cherish. I wonder if Serah's okay? Well, Snow is probably protecting her without a doubt. I wonder if Hope's okay. I wonder if Sazh and his son have been separated? I wonder if Fang and Vanille, the crystal pillar, are not hurt? What of the people of Cocoon who are supported by the crystal pillar...?
pg 19
Engulfed by a strange anomaly and waking up to find she had drifted to the shore of an unknown place, Lightning's biggest concern was everyone's well-being. After that, she pondered of where she was. She realized it was useless no matter how hard she thought after endlessly walking along the beach. No, it may have only seemed like forever. Even though she had trudged through the unforgiving sand she felt no sign of fatigue. She did not feel hunger nor did she thirst. It was strange. Obviously her perception of time is going berserk. She could measure the time she felt relatively accurately. This was because she was a soldier and had been trained in this way. It was strange of her to wonder and not know how much time had passed. Maybe this bizarre sea is the culprit? It does not give off any sound and heedless of the color of the sky, its deep black stretches as far as the eye can see. At first she walked along the beach and she thought she would try to search for an estuary. She could head inland while staying alongside the river without getting lost. Don't lose sight of your current position, such is the inviolable rule when in a foreign land. But she changed her mind. "I should get away from the water."
Furthermore, while walking she noticed that this place was dense with fog. Again, she wondered if she should define this as "fog" but she had seen something that seemed like ruins and now it was masked by something. Although this "something" had the form of fog its color was different. It was a dark color, not black and not grey. Even so one could see, even from far away, that it was not something like soot or smoke. It kind of looks like "that," Lightning said furrowing her brows. The black entity that coiled around her whole body at that time. It did look like fog but when touched one could feel a strange power. She did not want to think that "that" and this drifting fog was the same thing.
pg 22
They were piled in mountains and sold in toy stores for a period of time. They have a gargantuan head and a stomach that bulges with stubby arms and legs along with skinny eyes and a perfect circle of a nose. One couldn't say it was adorable but there was comical and easy to love about it. They were popular with children. Which means, could people possibly be living here? What's more, that includes children that could harbor love for a stuffed toy. However, the toy was very damaged. It was face-down and seemed to be abandoned; it was a bit sad.
"This is mean, even for a stuffed toy."
She thought as she reached out her hand to move the moogle to a more suitable place.
"Mog isn't a stuffed toy, kupo!"
The thing that Lightning thought was a stuffed toy sprang up suddenly. The wings on its back fluttered and its circular form soflty floated in the air. Up until just now, did she think that moogles were fictional beings but it seems that she had been wrong all this time. The summoned beasts of legend actually existed so it wasn't miraculous that moogles existed either. Seeing it move like this proves that it is indeed a living creature. She felt that the hue of her surroundings had changed. A sort of warm, nostalgic, feeling of relief. Then the moogle's wings started to droop and it fell back to the ground.
pg 23
Lightning panicked and called to it. This creature had warmed her heart that had been frozen over by this bizarre place.
"Are you hurt?"
When she looked at it, one side of its wing was a little bent. Maybe it fell from somewhere? Or maybe, it couldn't tell where it was going in the fog and crashed into something?
"Are you okay? Let me see."
She then extended her hand.
"Duel with me, kupo!"
The moogle got up. Although it's voice was cheerful, it was suffering a deep gash; Lightning could see that it's leg was swaying loosely. Just by the soft motion of the wings it looked like a dangling old dish rag.
" A duel? You can't do anything with that gash..."
"It's okay, just duel with me, kupo! That's the rule of Valhalla, kupo!"
"Valhalla?"
Was it talking about this place?
"You don't know the rule, kupo? The weak abide by the strong. It's a rule established by the goddess, kupo."
"Goddess?"
Who could that be?
Could it be a god as it says or maybe some person or monster just playing god?
Splintered
unsavory tart
Oh man, I saw those but I wasn't sure if they were legit/where they came from. But I AM SO EXCITE SOMEONE IS FINALLY TRANSLATING THEM.
So Yuel at that time didn't really understand what Caius was doing at that time? That's interesting, even the way she describes Cocoon as a flower that blooms in the sky screams naive. It certainly explains why she acts so different between Oerba and Augusta Tower.
So Yuel at that time didn't really understand what Caius was doing at that time? That's interesting, even the way she describes Cocoon as a flower that blooms in the sky screams naive. It certainly explains why she acts so different between Oerba and Augusta Tower.
Kuja9001
Ooooh Salty!
- AKA
- roxas9001, Krat0s9001, DarkSlayerZero
Someone is translating after I post the scans.
(Not Translated)
Noel's Childhood Scans
(Not Translated)
3AF Yeul Scans
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ForceStealer
Double Growth
I did on level 2 last night 
But it took forever, sucked my desire to try again, so I'll have to go back to continue later.
But it took forever, sucked my desire to try again, so I'll have to go back to continue later.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
It was only my second time fighting him 
Apparently you need 5 stars or something to continue with the DLC? Because it just took me to fight him again.
Apparently you need 5 stars or something to continue with the DLC? Because it just took me to fight him again.
Splintered
unsavory tart
I tried the dlc again last month or so and beat Caius on level one and Chaos Bahamut on level 4. I wanted to try Chaos Bahamut on a lower level but if I die I had to fight Caius all over again and it takes friggen forever if you are level 2/3.
Mwynn
Tenderness
A summary of the entirety of Fragments After. http://chrysaliswiki.com/fragments-after
Also, someone in GameFAQs is translating everything and I'm collecting them in my blog. http://dissasterrific.tumblr.com/Fragments-After-Translations
The Yeul chapters and Lightning chapter are the ones that were and are currently being translated.
This is the source thread: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/65280117
lol I'm kinda pissed because many of these things should have been in-game. If they were, the game's story might have been a hundred times better.
Also, someone in GameFAQs is translating everything and I'm collecting them in my blog. http://dissasterrific.tumblr.com/Fragments-After-Translations
The Yeul chapters and Lightning chapter are the ones that were and are currently being translated.
This is the source thread: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681990-lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii/65280117
lol I'm kinda pissed because many of these things should have been in-game. If they were, the game's story might have been a hundred times better.
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Fangu
Great Old One
Thank you for those links, Mwynn! I've read through the first one now.
So that's how Snow became a l'cie. To be strong enough for the Arbiter of Time to show him the gate to Sunleth, so he didn't stay stuck in that loop, witnessing everything without being able to do anything. Well, I'd say not having to watch your finance die while your hands are totally tied is a valid reason. And Noel was right, Snow did ask to become one.
I really liked Alyssa's story. She thought she had to fix everything herself without asking Hope for help. I think she was very lonely, keeping all the shame, fear and will to live all to herself.
lol @ Hope leaving Bresha with a new intern XD Didn't you learn anything?? Joking of course. I thought that was a nice touch. As Z and S are pronounced the same way, even their initials (AS and AZ) are sorta the same. It's like Alyssa was reborn after all. Aw.
Now I'm eagerly awaiting memory & hope.
Edit: Holy crap that was just the summaries. I'm in the GameFAQ thread now. Guess who's gonna read all of that at work later today <3
So that's how Snow became a l'cie. To be strong enough for the Arbiter of Time to show him the gate to Sunleth, so he didn't stay stuck in that loop, witnessing everything without being able to do anything. Well, I'd say not having to watch your finance die while your hands are totally tied is a valid reason. And Noel was right, Snow did ask to become one.
WE MUST GO DEEPER
I really liked Alyssa's story. She thought she had to fix everything herself without asking Hope for help. I think she was very lonely, keeping all the shame, fear and will to live all to herself.
lol @ Hope leaving Bresha with a new intern XD Didn't you learn anything?? Joking of course. I thought that was a nice touch. As Z and S are pronounced the same way, even their initials (AS and AZ) are sorta the same. It's like Alyssa was reborn after all. Aw.
Now I'm eagerly awaiting memory & hope.
Edit: Holy crap that was just the summaries. I'm in the GameFAQ thread now. Guess who's gonna read all of that at work later today <3
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Splintered
unsavory tart
Holy shit, you're not kidding. Snow's story is a hundred times better here than in the dlc. It's one thing to forever be fighting random monsters, but he actually gets to see Serah die and he wanted to fight with her.
I like how he initially refused becoming a l'cie for Serah, then wound up being a l'cie for Serah anyway. This makes Snow not telling Serah everything make much more sense, why the hell would they not put this in the story?
Also chaos Yuel keeping Snow there means she was stopping him from fighting with Serah. hm