Final Fantasy XVI

[Wol]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1307116550810472455

 

[looneymoon]

Not much to add here other than I kinda consider Vaan an outlier himself, just because of how pointless he feels when playing the game

I'm gonna out that I haven't played FF12 since launch and I never finished it cuz I did too many hunts and forgot what was going on lol.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I always found Vaan hilarious because he was so irrelevant to the story. More so even than Penelo.

 

[Wol]

I get it that they wanted to give the the perspective of two regular orphans finding themselves inside a big war. Its just that they don't become more relevant as the story progressess, we don't see their past hatred for losing their families, so they remain.. nobodies.

 

[Fade]

I always found Vaan hilarious because he was so irrelevant to the story. More so even than Penelo.

I always seem to be in the minority in disagreeing with this assessment, but that's probably a matter for another thread. XII's ensemble gets beat up on so often that it's basically a meme, and an unfair one, in my opinion.

 

[Ite]

I think the last thing I remember Vaan ever doing was the “I’m Captain Basch!” jog, then I don’t think I ever had him in the party, so I’d always be like “oh yeahhhh” when I entered a town lol. I’m sure if he was mandatory in the field I’d be more attached to him, but the rest of the cast is just so awesome that I’m glad they did that.

Seeing as the other characters in 7R do have unique chest opening animations (during Ch. 9, 13, and 17) switching leaders out of combat might have been something they tried and didn’t like or else couldn’t implement by launch. For my part, I wasn’t surprised that we were Cloud out of combat, as he’s the lead so hard it hurts. Everyone and everything funnels into his character, making sure we’re with him is vital for the story. I‘m reminded of how unaffected my wife was by Aeris’s death (she never used her) and what a shame it would be if that was the reaction to Cloud leaving the party...

...wait a minute, this is the XVI thread?? Oops. Uh, I’d like a party in this game plz (the more we say it the more likely it becomes right?)

 

[Claymore]

Took a couple of days out before attempting to rewatch the trailer, because honestly, some people's reaction here by jumping down the throat's of anyone who criticised any aspect of the trailer was actively making me hate the trailer even more. Now that I've had time away from those comments and looked at it afresh ... subsequent impressions are notably improved. Specifically, the potential within the story and where they could go with these Eikons and their 'avatars'. The overall style is growing on me as well, with the overlapping plates on their chain-mail (resembling the Chocobo scales,) with the curved swords and medieval attire ... the sense of style is actually clicking now that I look at them in more detail. Oh and the music with the choir is stunning (I did think that the first time) and hearing someone rip the piano melody is even more beautiful. FF does piano extremely well.

The fact that this isn't pushing the boat out graphically is a godsend. If it means they won't spend 4 months polishing a rock and actually make this a living breathing world full of content - there is no contest there.

However. The generic main male sword-wielding character hasn't improved on further views and that remains a serious concern, as does the seemingly single-player party / combat. If it turns out that you won't have a party within this game, I don't know if that's a hurdle I could personally overcome - especially whilst overcoming those over hurdles that I have with what's been presented in the trailer.

We shall see.

 

[Wol]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1306552150886158337

So that implies there's a price to be paid for this protection, maybe the crystals lend their power only if ushumans offer something in return. Potentially this could lead to dark and unexpected places, as crystals are usually depicted as benign entities.

I wonder if wanting to end the crystal's influence over the world makes the mc a kind of anti-hero.

 

[Fangu]

So MC is basically Cid in XII. X)

Ugh, the 'Vaan was not the original protagonist' wound will never fully heal for me. I really wish the corporates hadn't put their greasy fingers into the project. Look at the legacy of games like Vagrant Story and Tactics, I believe people would be talking about XII a lot differently, and not as being the black sheep of the series as is the case now.

Also... XII opening music in that trailer. Which I hadn't seen before btw. IT IS SO GOOD.

 

[Fade]

So MC is basically Cid in XII. X)

Ugh, the 'Vaan was not the original protagonist' wound will never fully heal for me. I really wish the corporates hadn't put their greasy fingers into the project. Look at the legacy of games like Vagrant Story and Tactics, I believe people would be talking about XII a lot differently, and not as being the black sheep of the series as is the case now.

Also... XII opening music in that trailer. Which I hadn't seen before btw. IT IS SO GOOD.

XII has received a lot of positive press in hindsight, especially in Zodiac Age form - its place as a cult classic of the main series really isn't so different from Vagrant Story, which is probably one of the best games nobody played* on the Playstation.

*Relative to Playstation's meteroic popularity, and Squaresoft's with it.

 

[Odysseus]

Uh, I’d like a party in this game plz (the more we say it the more likely it becomes right?)

Outside of VIIR basically having to account for the original having a party, the series as a whole has been somewhat trending away from it in the most recent titles. in XIII the party is AI controlled, and by Lightning returns you're only playing as her (right?) XV was the same way until an update that came years after launch too. Do you think they'd make a mainline FF game where you only play as one character and there isn't even an AI party?

 

[Strangelove]

okay okay but

i thought ffxii revenant wings was cute

mom covering her mouth while speaking

i thought this was her covering her nose, like she couldn't stand the smell of these filthy peasants like the rich mother from parasite

The fact that this isn't pushing the boat out graphically is a godsend. If it means they won't spend 4 months polishing a rock and actually make this a living breathing world full of content - there is no contest there.

when i was looking for images after hearing they showed a trailer, i saw a comment being like 'square what's with these ps3 graphics' and honestly, yeah it's not the most technically impressive game i've ever seen. i think it looks good but i'm not stunned or anything. it is nice to see developers try to make their games stand out with unique art direction, rather than having everyone try to go for photorealistic. which is fine, i get impressed by those too and i'm not saying games need to avoid that or that there's no art direction involved in a game with realistic graphics. i am really like the art design in death stranding and like every character in that is just a real actor's actual face.

basically what i'm saying is, shin megami tensei 3 is getting a hd remaster this october and it is my most anticipated game of the year

 

[Wol]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1306356669090164736

Lmao

 

[Strangelove]

i've only ever seen pictures of shoebills looking scary, but i just googled them and saw this happy fella

 

[Claymore]

Loving this.

 

[Strangelove]

it's been mentioned in this thread how we don't really know the story of this game yet

but yesterday there was a video on my youtube homepage apparently explaining the story and lore

it was 16 minutes long

that's four times longer than the only trailer we've seen

 

[LNK]

After watching the trailer a few more times, I don't think Joshua changes into Ifrit. I think it might be the Dragoon that changes into him after being defeated by the protagonist. Maybe even his father or the one who killed his father. I just don't think it's Joshua

 

[Strangelove]

i think joshua is the protag's younger brother, is somehow unconscious and is being killed by whoever the ifrit person is (and that's who the protag is saying he's going to kill at the end)

just a little speculation from me to you

 

[LNK]

i think joshua is the protag's younger brother, is somehow unconscious and is being killed by whoever the ifrit person is (and that's who the protag is saying he's going to kill at the end)

just a little speculation from me to you

I'm thinking the same thing

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Have you seen the hour long FF7R commentary videos on story and lore we know barely anything about? That's... about what I expected.

The Final Fantasy YouTube community is currently in an "let me show you the lore/story you didn't catch because these stories are so complex" phase. YMMV on if the "complexity" is from actual complexity or just not having the entire story revealed to us yet.

 

[Strangelove]

i can give a little leeway to ff7r part 2 stuff since there's an original version it's based on you can use to theorise and

you know

a whole game that was released and you could play

 

[Theozilla]

i think joshua is the protag's younger brother, is somehow unconscious and is being killed by whoever the ifrit person is (and that's who the protag is saying he's going to kill at the end)

just a little speculation from me to you

I'm thinking the blonde soldier is meant to be Joshua's older brother.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1306857424096120834

Even if the main player character is also Joshua's brother, I think he could only be his half-brother because if he was his full brother he would likely be going with Joshua to see Joshua's father.

 

[Strangelove]

oh, i just assumed the voice at the end was the main character

my new speculation: main character is the king's bastard son, get a little game of thrones thing going

hopefully no incest

 

[Wol]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1307087817810509825

 

[LNK]

I'm thinking the blonde soldier is meant to be Joshua's older brother.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1306857424096120834

Even if the main player character is also Joshua's brother, I think he could only be his half-brother because if he was his full brother he would likely be going with Joshua to see Joshua's father.

I think he is the older brother, but it's hard to tell if that's his voice at the end. It sounds a lot different from when he's saying "a 2nd Eikon of fire."