They wouldn't be looking for their hearts if they did.
They only remember what it was like to have them. They just act like they have emotions to fool people.
Demyx true nature was when he went all "Silence, traitor!" at Sora when he wasn't impressed by Demyx's bullshit.
I gotta say it's just bad writing and whoever did it seems to not understand that emotions and feelings basically are the driving force of human existence.
It's kind of retarded to say they don't have feelings then have them do things are motivated by desires and whatnot.
They wouldn't be looking for their hearts if they did.
They only remember what it was like to have them. They just act like they have emotions to fool people.
Demyx true nature was when he went all "Silence, traitor!" at Sora when he wasn't impressed by Demyx's bullshit.
Well I've been told many times in this thread that Demyx was a coward. So which is it? He is some bad guy who says "Silence traitor!" and the coward thing was a rouse, or is he a coward who says "Silence traitor" as a rouse? I'm leaning more toward the latter. As I've said when push comes to shove, he'll fight. That doesn't mean that his true nature is totally evil or that he wants to fight. He just will if there's no other option.
and yes Demyx is a bad guy, but that doesn't make him evil.
Well I've been told many times in this thread that Demyx was a coward. So which is it? He is some bad guy who says "Silence traitor!" and the coward thing was a rouse
They're like soulless robots.
And they know that in order to function properly, they need their emotions back. It's probably more like an instinct. Not a wish based on a perceived emotion.
... They remember what hearts feel like. They create a ruse that makes others believe they have feelings. Confirmed in the game, Quexi. Poor way of portraying it, or not, that's how it is.
The nobodies clearly have desires and longings though, they don't behave souless at all.
Especially Axel and Roxas. If they don't have emotions, they wouldn't do anything, instincts are worthless without feelings to motivate them to act on them. Why put on charades or feel that they need to when they don't have emotions.
It's so stupidly contradictory. You can't say they do have emotions, because then you're arguing with the plot directly and that's pointless. You can only chalk it up to bad writing.
Yeah, the Org XIII members don't act like they lack any emotions whatsoever, even among themselves. What it seems to be is that they have no idea what the hell emotions are, and are generally sociopathic. All of them save Roxas, Axel, Xion, and Namine, were purely in it for themselves, even against each other.
Org XIII have emotions, they just have broken, fragmented emotions they don't comprehend.
Okay, I don't know if you're serious or not. But you really need to take off the rose tinted glasses regarding Organization XIII.
The Organization intended to make Sora their puppet from the get go. He was a threat to their existence from the start and they intended to eliminate him every step of the way. Their original plan was to use Roxas as a Sora replica, using his keyblade abilities to harvest hearts for Kingdom Hearts and thus, use the hearts of other people to put inside their bodies. Not all nobodies. But just themselves. They never, ever wanted to give a heart to all nobodies in existence. Only themselves. Organization XIII.
Their plan included ensuring Sora would never, ever wake up from his sleep within Castle Oblivion by removing Roxas's existence from the equation.
By using Xion, an incomplete Sora replica fashioned from Sora's memories of Kairi, they intended to have Roxas completely absorbed by her (just like Replica Riku did to Zexion) and make a perfect Sora puppet-slave that would obey orders without question, and slay heartless wherever they saw fit. They intended to erase Roxas's existence to ensure he never learned about Sora and thus, try to regain his heart.
That way they would never ever have to worry about the real Sora getting in their way, and they'd also get a Keyblade slave to serve them willingly. The only Organization member who was completely ignorant of this plan was Axel. Everyone within the Organization knew of this plan, and made sure to lead Roxas astray and ensure Roxas and Xion got close so that the plan would go accordingly.
I have to agree with Dacon here. If they really had no hearts or emotions, they wouldn't act like they do at all. The fact is they DO have emotions and feelings. Ansem the Wise just likes to spread lies that they don't so people won't feel bad for them. And for some reason Xemnas likes to sell this as well... god knows why.
First of all, you have to understand that Ansem the Wise is justifiably bitter, considering the Organization is made up of his fellow loyal students who cold-heartedly betrayed him and tried to essentially kill him, to further their own ambition. Not only did they try to kill him, they even stole his name and reputation. So forgive the guy for not having a very high impression of what nobodies are, and their intent. Secondly, Tthey truly do not have genuine human emotions, at least in the sense of how Kingdom Hearts describes them. Their emotions and actions come from memory, not their heart. Because their hearts are gone. Wandering around in the chest of some heartless. The only one who has anything close to actual emotions would be Axel, obviously. Certain Organization members, such as Saix, Xemnas, and Xigbar, especially exemplify this trait, by being cold, taciturn, and especially detached from any feelings but their ambition. Xemnas especially, who's a downright sociopath. The KH2 Ultimania specifically states that he is especially prone to over exaggeration of his emotions in an attempt to act like a true emotional being, when in fact, he's nothing more than an empty shell.
So Demyx does have a personality and he does have feelings. And here's another thing to think of along the lines of the Olympus Stone thing I pointed out. For whatever reason, unlike every other member, Demyx faded into light. I think that says something of his true nature right there.
He has a personality but he's a cold nobody just like the others. As seen in the KH2 novelization and I belive, 358/2, he was more than complicit with the elimination of Roxas (Axel obviously being the only one who objected),
and the enactment of their plan to have Roxas become food for the Sora copy, Xion.
You need to face facts, and stop romanticizing the Organization.
I'm gonna love playing in Stitch's level and in The Sleeping Beauty. Also
in scan two, on the right side, does anyone know why they have that awesome looking armor? Because I'm guessing the middle one is Aqua and her armor is awesome!
Great scans, Dark and Divine. If January is Japan's release date, what do you think US date will be?
Will the player during story mode get to pick from Ventus, Terra and Aqua to play as? Or do you just switch between characters throughout the story line? I hope we can pick
Will the player during story mode get to pick from Ventus, Terra and Aqua to play as? Or do you just switch between characters throughout the story line? I hope we can pick
Sweet! Man, hearing those two things made me want the game even more!
Since the keyblade Master Eraqus has means he's obviously a keyblade master, does that mean there is a chance he is playable character, or will he be Terra, Ventus and Aqua's sensei?
Now are the Organization evil? Of course they are. They do a lot of bad things. They mess up people's worlds, they kill people, they use people and only care for their own personal gain. I know this. I am aware of this. Now I'm not really justifying it here but as Xemnas says, what other choice would they have? I can't help but feel sorry for them at least a little. Especially Vexen and Demyx. Poor Vexen got screwed over so badly
Use the hearts of other people to put inside their bodies. Not all nobodies. But just themselves. They never, ever wanted to give a heart to all nobodies in existence. Only themselves. Organization XIII.
See now Xemnas says "Shine your light on this empty realm. Share your power with all nobodies." or something to that effect when talking to Kingdom Hearts. I really took this as "all nobodies" and not just the Organization. I also figured that's why all the nobodies were gathered below the castle at that time. They were waiting for it.
First of all, you have to understand that Ansem the Wise is justifiably bitter, considering the Organization is made up of his fellow loyal students who cold-heartedly betrayed him and tried to essentially kill him, to further their own ambition. Not only did they try to kill him, they even stole his name and reputation. So forgive the guy for not having a very high impression of what nobodies are, and their intent.
I still don't like the guy. Hell even Mickey didn't agree with what he did
I also wonder if we'll learn more about this in birth by sleep. I mean how exactly did this all happen?
Secondly, Tthey truly do not have genuine human emotions, at least in the sense of how Kingdom Hearts describes them. Their emotions and actions come from memory, not their heart. Because their hearts are gone.
If this is true and they really are emotionless, they can't really feel for other people either, right? If they're going around destroying worlds and killing people, it's because they really can't feel for others. All though I still do argue that they do have some form of emotions. I mean if Axel, Namine and Roxas do, I don't see why the others can't.
Certain Organization members, such as Saix, Xemnas, and Xigbar, especially exemplify this trait, by being cold, taciturn, and especially detached from any feelings but their ambition. Xemnas especially, who's a downright sociopath. The KH2 Ultimania specifically states that he is especially prone to over exaggeration of his emotions in an attempt to act like a true emotional being, when in fact, he's nothing more than an empty shell.
Xemnas? Over exaggerating? Never!
and yes I agree he's a sociopath.
As seen in the KH2 novelization and I belive, 358/2, he was more than complicit with the elimination of Roxas (Axel obviously being the only one who objected),
I've only read some of the novel... I know he was fixing his hair in the one scene and running from Phil in the other. Is there somewhere I can read more about Demyx in there?
You need to face facts, and stop romanticizing the Organization.
The armor forms are used in Co-op mode, but also apparently in the Stitch level in the 'space' sections. You can see a boss battle with them in armor on a space surfboard or some sort.
Now I'm not really justifying it here but as Xemnas says, what other choice would they have? I can't help but feel sorry for them at least a little. Especially Vexen and Demyx. Poor Vexen got screwed over so badly
Uh...maybe if they didn't sell their hearts to the darkness, they wouldn't be in that situation in the first place. And why the hell do you feel bad for Vexen? All of his misfortune is his own fault for being a greedy, narcissistic scientist who played god with other people's emotions and hearts. Do you feel bad for Hojo? Do you think he got screwed over badly? The damn guy went around making replicas of people, abusing them, and casually throwing them away once he deemed him failures. What pity is there for a person like that?
See now Xemnas says "Shine your light on this empty realm. Share your power with all nobodies." or something to that effect when talking to Kingdom Hearts. I really took this as "all nobodies" and not just the Organization. I also figured that's why all the nobodies were gathered below the castle at that time. They were waiting for it.
Xemnas is a liar. Why would you take anything he says at face value? Do you not remember that the Organization uses those lesser nobodies as slaves, and manipulates them like puppets with their will? The Organization has repeatedly stated that their goal was to give themselves hearts. Not every nobobody in existence. That would be utterly impossible.
I still don't like the guy. Hell even Mickey didn't agree with what he did
I also wonder if we'll learn more about this in birth by sleep. I mean how exactly did this all happen?
Uh, Mickey DID like him. He states that they were friends, and they talked often when they met. What he didn't agree with was Ansem living for revenge on the Organization.
If this is true and they really are emotionless, they can't really feel for other people either, right? If they're going around destroying worlds and killing people, it's because they really can't feel for others. All though I still do argue that they do have some form of emotions. I mean if Axel, Namine and Roxas do, I don't see why the others can't.
Namine and Roxas are special nobodies, who can feel the things their real selves do, because their hearts are still in existence and not lost to the darkness. Axel has no heart, but because he and Roxas were true friends, his lack of a heart allowed him to still act like a decent person and value his friendship. Nobodies don't feel emotion. They only remember it. They use their memories instead of their hearts.
I've only read some of the novel... I know he was fixing his hair in the one scene and running from Phil in the other. Is there somewhere I can read more about Demyx in there?
