Kitase would consider FFVII-2

[ForceStealer]

But that doesn't apply to this. The Compilation has already been started, and the discussion was whether they should finish it or not. So the applicable analogy would be starting the new trilogy but not finishing it.

 

[Octo]

And for that, they'd need a time machine.

But what does 'finished' mean anyway? Does it just mean 'no longer profitable'? Isn't it finished story-wise anyway? They could keep coming up with ways to continue the story ad infinitum but it would just end up getting more and more contrived.

 

[Wolfmania]

Right now what I'd like is a conclusion for the Genesis plot-line.

And please no grown-up Denzel, seriously.

I want to play a game where Cloud's back to his old self or how he was in DoC, as the hero.

Though I'm not sure what my feeling are on unearthing Sephiroth again, his last line in AC leads me to believe he will be brought back, one way or another.

 

[ForceStealer]

And for that, they'd need a time machine.

But what does 'finished' mean anyway? Does it just mean 'no longer profitable'? Isn't it finished story-wise anyway? They could keep coming up with ways to continue the story ad infinitum but it would just end up getting more and more contrived.

It's been the HEAVY implication that there's one game left (+ possible remake). So that's what I'm going on.

And no, don't bring Sephiroth back again. But I agree otherwise wolfmania.

 

[Shademp]

In the final chronological ittle, Sephiroth should definitely be mentioned as a potential threat but not as one that is likely to appear in the near future. Like, 'unless we find the macguffin #1, #2 & #3 and the macperson A & B, Sephiroth might re-appear again in a century or so'. Which is where the party's new journey around the world comes into place, exploring the world more, preferably finding out more about the Ancients (or heck, the world in general), and then at the end the planet is finally cleansed from all bad things.

Just why Holy failed in cleansing the planet of all that it considers bad is beyond me. Has perhaps the ultimate judgement of Holy been postponed? Is it still waiting to happen, needing a trigger to be truly unleashed?
I would enjoy a retcon of that sort.

 

[Masamune]

I dunno, would you really have preferred he made episodes 1 and 2 and then just stopped? Hindsight is 20/20, so ignoring however you may feel about episode 3, you wouldn't have seen it even a little bit as a cop out if he just quit most of the way through?

It was obvious after one movie, let alone two, that Lucas didn't know what he was doing with the PT. I was fairly indifferent to seeing the third movie, as were many others. Lucas never learned his lesson and the entire trilogy was a critical flop.

The Star Wars Prequels & FFVII Compilation are uncanny. They both cashed in on iconic, pioneer media, merchandising the crap out of half-assed titles, like vacuous CGI movies which think that flashy, mind-numbing special effects can substitute artistic integrity, whilst doing everything humanly possible to piss over the original continuity, the very reason the fanbase exists!

Would it necessarily be a bad thing if they quit the Compilation? Squenix's reputation is at an all-time low. What basis is there to expect a worthy addition to the series? The sad thing is, it's got to a point where people want as much FFVII as possible, even if they keep dragging its name through the mud.

 

[Roger]

I'm sorry. The antagonists of Crisis core and Dirge of Cerberus flying off saying they have much work to do is not a satisfying epilogue to me. It is not finished at all.

Just why Holy failed in cleansing the planet of all that it considers bad is beyond me. Has perhaps the ultimate judgement of Holy been postponed? Is it still waiting to happen, needing a trigger to be truly unleashed?
I would enjoy a retcon of that sort.

It got his asskicked by Meteor? Lifestream ended up prevailing, but there's no indication it was gonna do the same stuff as Holy.

 

[Masamune]

I'm sorry. The antagonists of Crisis core and Dirge of Cerberus flying off saying they have much work to do is not a satisfying epilogue to me. It is not finished at all.

Based on one throw-away line during a secret ending?

If there was something already in place, I'd get your point. But it's no different than the end of an Inspector Gadget episode.

 

[Octo]

But aren't those antagonists small fry compared to Sephiroth anyway? Wouldnt any sequel inevitably involve those guys trying to revive Sephiroth or something, which would essentially rehash AC.

Otherwise (if they we're not trying to revive Seph) it would just have to be Cloud and Co kicking their asses, which would be pretty anti climatic. Its like Luke Skywalker going back to picking off Womp Rats after the end of Return of the Jedi?

 

[Shademp]

It got his asskicked by Meteor? Lifestream ended up prevailing, but there's no indication it was gonna do the same stuff as Holy.

Still, just because the "shiny blue thing" failed, I would still buy a story where the actual judgement was still pending (maybe as a cause of the magic's interaction with Meteor, yes) and that the key to cleansing the planet fully from Jenova is to finally cause the judgement to happen.

However in a world where there is no immediate ending already at play (like it was with Meteor), the possibility that humanity might be wiped out as well would create some conflict, because then there would be a faction who thinks the civilization can manage without the help of Holy (and that it's not worth it to risk the extinction of humanity), versus one group who actively tries to trigger Holy's final judgement.

My apologies for my fanfic-esque idea, I'm just saying it is something I would buy into.

 

[Max Payne]

I'm sorry. The antagonists of Crisis core and Dirge of Cerberus flying off saying they have much work to do is not a satisfying epilogue to me. It is not finished at all.

It's not really an epilogue at all. It's clearly foreshadowing.

 

[Octo]

Also lets not forget Barret considering oil as an 'alternative' fuel. I don't know what the carbon emissions of Mako were, but I'm sure the Planet would be pretty pissed off with global warming

A new threat!

 

[Shademp]

Also lets not forget Barret considering oil as an 'alternative' fuel. I don't know what the carbon emissions of Mako were, but I'm sure the Planet would be pretty pissed off with global warming

A new threat!

Then the Planet creates a new Weapon to tell humanity of the danger of burning too much oil. That creature will be called "Al Gore Weapon" and will roam the planet, informing the people of this environmental danger.
Oh, and he can shoot high energy lasers from his eyes. 9999 damage every time, yo.

Although I personally don't see this as a larger plot point in a compilation title, I get the feeling that Gaia is supposed to be a much smaller planet than ours which might mean a quicker climate change due to burning fossil fuels.

 

[Octo]

Then the Planet creates a new Weapon to tell humanity of the danger of burning too much oil. That creature will be called "Al Gore Weapon" and will roam the planet, informing the people of this environmental danger.
Oh, and he can shoot high energy lasers from his eyes. 9999 damage every time, yo.

and he's SUPER CEREAL.

Although I personally don't see this as a larger plot point in a compilation title, I get the feeling that Gaia is supposed to be a much smaller planet than ours which may likely lead to a quicker climate change due to burning fossil fuels.

This explains why there are only about 20 towns and cities on the entire planet. CANON

 

[Wolfmania]

But aren't those antagonists small fry compared to Sephiroth anyway? Wouldnt any sequel inevitably involve those guys trying to revive Sephiroth or something, which would essentially rehash AC.

Otherwise (if they we're not trying to revive Seph) it would just have to be Cloud and Co kicking their asses, which would be pretty anti climatic. Its like Luke Skywalker going back to picking off Womp Rats after the end of Return of the Jedi?

I think The Reunion Files said something about Sephiroth being irreplaceable or something like that.

Still, undoubtedly they would make Sephiroth return, after his line in AC, and the sheer amount of cash he brings in.

 

[Octo]

Sephiroth....I'm so sick of that guy!

Seriously there lies the problem. It could never be finished, and Sephiroth would keep coming back over and over and it would descend into farce and become some sort of DBZ thing.

I just don't see how they could do it without running it into the ground (more so)

 

[Max Payne]

I think The Reunion Files said something about Sephiroth being irreplaceable or something like that.

Still, undoubtedly they would make Sephiroth return, after his line in AC, and the sheer amount of cash he brings in.

Coming up with an original villain isn't the same as replacing the old.

 

[Masamune]

Sephiroth is irreplaceable.

So our next villain shall be a silver-haired, katana-wielding bishounen, who was raised as a human experiment and manipulated by Hojo.

Ofc.

 

[Wolfmania]

Sephiroth....I'm so sick of that guy!

Seriously there lies the problem. It could never be finished, and Sephiroth would keep coming back over and over and it would descend into farce and become some sort of DBZ thing.

I just don't see how they could do it without running it into the ground (more so)

Well, in Case Of The Lifestream he said as long as Cloud was alive and remembered him he could use that to not be diffused in the lifestream.

In the end, the only thing that truely would get rid of Seph, if for Cloud to die as well.

Coming up with an original villain isn't the same as replacing the old.

Fair enough, that might be what they meant.

 

[Octo]

Well, in Case Of The Lifestream he said as long as Cloud was alive and remembered him he could use that to not be diffused in the lifestream.

In the end, the only thing that truely would get rid of Seph, if for Cloud to die as well.

Or get alzheimers

I can't see them introducing any new villains...even they must be able to see how contrived that would be.

Unless it becomes some sort of quest to erase Sephiroth from Clouds memory through heavy drinking or some such shit.

 

[Wolfmania]

Or get alzheimers

I can't see them introducing any new villains...even they must be able to see how contrived that would be.

Unless it becomes some sort of quest to erase Sephiroth from Clouds memory through heavy drinking or some such shit.

Yea. I can't see new villains as well.

Just old ones coming back and getting power-ups somehow.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Would it necessarily be a bad thing if they quit the Compilation? Squenix's reputation is at an all-time low. What basis is there to expect a worthy addition to the series? The sad thing is, it's got to a point where people want as much FFVII as possible, even if they keep dragging its name through the mud.

As much as we love to bash S-E, me as well, it's really getting to the point that they can't get any better and rise up to being respectable again if we assume they're going to make a bad game no matter what.

They're shit right now because of several bad business, development, marketing, and logistical decisions. The planets didn't align nor did some god mandate that Square Enix is going to suck dick until the end of time and there's nothing that anything can do about it. There's nothing really special about S-E in the fact that they used to make stuff that everyone likes, and now, not so much. There's nothing stopping them from making good games again, but if we constantly assume the worst and that they can do no better no matter what, I mean, damn dude, what do you expect?

It's statistically likely based on past evidence that another entry will be crap. I get that. However, it's not certainly inevitable and based on that alone, they deserve a shot to wrap up their own franchise.

 

[Max Payne]

I can't see them introducing any new villains...even they must be able to see how contrived that would be.

How exactly would introducing new villains be contrived?

 

[Octo]

Well what I mean is, introducing new villains just for the sake of having new villains has already been done at least 5 times already in the compilation. They crop up out of nowhere and seem to serve little purpose than Nomura getting to draw some extra zips and buckles. Oh and some overblown set pieces to occur.

I think there was/is enough to be explored in what has been created already. If a new villain appears, chances are its going to be tacked on. "Oh, there was another super soldier guy who we forgot to mention somehow" or "there's another whole army of people that nobody knew about living underground"

Thats what I mean by contrived.

Not that it is totally impossible for a new villain to appear and fit in with the existing plot, I just think it would be a very difficult trick to pull off, given that whoever it was would be in Sephiroths shadow, as SE have decided (through AC) that Sephiroth is more or less indestructible.

 

[Max Payne]

If there is one thing about life that I've learned, is that there is ALWAYS some new threat around the corner.

Sometimes it comes out of nowhere, sometimes it doesn't. The fact of the matter is the same applies to villains in stories. A good writer can do anything.