SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[KindOfBlue]

What specifically do you mean?

The OG already explains everything you need to know about how Cloud feels and the devs have already explained it in the ultimanias. Sure, there’s always a chance that the remake could go in a different direction but the burden falls on you to prove that, otherwise there’s no reason to discount the information already provided.

 

[Clear A]

You're literally ignoring the screenshots from the Lifestream scene where Cloud states he wanted to be noticed by Tifa, smh.

I am not ignoring, I literally gave a complete sentence about the pixels she sent me read carefully, I'd assume.

The OG already explains everything you need to know about how Cloud feels and the devs have already explained it in the ultimanias. Sure, there’s always a chance that the remake could go in a different direction but the burden falls on you to prove that, otherwise there’s no reason to discount the information already provided.

I've read the ultimanias and nothing romantic concerning Cloud's interest has been confirmed so do tell. And, yes, let us wait for Parts of the remake to make their debut in order to sound the bell just yet. Not yet. I get what I have been shown but we need to watch out for the remake. These are SE developer's true intentions.

 

[a_apple 2.0]

Albeit it, Cloud never really joined SOLDIER initially for Tifa to notice him, he initially joined SOLDIER to be like Sephiroth. But talking about the polygonal game development, you do have a point. But when the remake comes out and it panes differently then what? We need to wait for FFVII remake Part 2 or even Part 3 to come out to even begin to piece things together. Because if the remake panes differently (which at this rate it's going could be) then what?

If Cloud in the remake reinstates these words and it panes out that way then we can complete this trilogy. We can go ahead and say Cloud joined Tifa for her to notice him if that is what SE intends to reveal. But that by no means equates to Cloud and Tifa being romantic partners by a stretch.

We can't even say Cloud is the one talking or voicing his feelings because his name isn't even indicated here. It could be a slight narration.

What specifically do you mean?

Ahem actually we already see a glimpse of Cloud's desire to be noticed by Tifa in the remake.


This scene where Tifa as soon as she sees Cloud runs up to him all excited actually never happened. It's literally a expression of Cloud's subconsciousness, it's his desire to be noticed by Tifa. So I think it's safe to assume that the game is already alluding to the Lifestream scene.

 

[Clear A]

Ahem actually we already see a glimpse of Cloud's desire to be noticed by Tifa in the remake.

This scene where Tifa as soon as she sees Cloud runs up to him all excited actually never happened. It's literally a expression of Cloud's subconscious, it's his desire to be noticed by Tifa. So I think it's safe to assume that the game is already alluding to the Lifestream scene.

Tifa literally says,
Tifa: *grunts* "Are you ignoring me?"(waves to grab his attention, then Cloud looks away then looks back at her)

Look, maybe I should not have used the word "never" it is a possibility but we have to wait to solidify this idea in mind. We have to wait to confirm what you've been saying and showing about Cloud trying to please Tifa. Until the remake THEN you can confirm.

I saw the pixels as well and still jaded. Is it even "Cloud" talking? I mean really Cloud? See we don't know. Let's wait for the story (parts to the remake) to initiate before we can be sure.

 

[a_apple 2.0]

Tifa literally says,
Tifa: *grunts* "Are you ignoring me?"(waves to grab his attention, then Cloud looks away)

But this never happened, Cloud makes up this scene

 

[a_apple 2.0]

I've read the ultimanias and nothing romantic concerning Cloud's interest has been confirmed so do tell

Just saying

 

[Clear A]

^Is that even official? Were these statements made by SE? Could be anyone's guess. You really have to look at the source to find that proof or evidence. I don't buy this and I KNEW you would bring this one up. FF 25th Anniversary Ultimania, Vol 1? It is one of the most recent magazines about FFVII. I doubt the source. Doubt it has anything to do with SE.

Tifa: "Are you ignoring me!?" (grunts)

 

[a_apple 2.0]

^Is that even official? Were these statements made by SE? Could be anyone's guess. You really have to look at the source to find that proof or evidence. I don't buy this and I KNEW you would bring this one up. It is one of the most recent magazines about FFVII. I doubt the source. Doubt it has anything to do with SE.

Wait I thought You already read the "Ultimanias"? So you should know this is official lol

 

[Clear A]

Wait I thought You already read the "Ultimanias"? So you should know this is official lol

It doesn't actually. No quotes from SE? Hmm.....doesn't really make it official does it? No quotes or references indicating SE saying this. SO no that does not mean it is a valid source. And when I searched about it I found nothing but that page, with no references whatso ever, not good. I would say.

I don't know why you trust that book with nothing on it no reference nothing quoting any staff of SE. Could be just a fan-based article rehashing their own sentiments and "publishing" it under the guise of SE. Still isn't official or valid reference.

Now when I search quotes from Tetsuya Nomura or the SE staff themselves saying something, I get tons of information. So that means it's valid.

https://www.finalfantasyunion.com/n...lation-of-ffvii-is-not-canon-to-ffvii-remake/ <<---Read this it is very important.

 

[a_apple 2.0]

Not to be rude or anything

It doesn't actually. No quotes from SE? Hmm.....doesn't really make it official does it? No quotes or references indicating SE saying this. SO no that does not mean it is a valid source. And when I searched about it I found nothing but that page, with no references whatso ever, not good. I would say.

I don't know why you trust that book with nothing on it no reference nothing quoting any staff of SE. Could be just a fan-based article rehashing their own sentiments and "publishing" it under the guise of SE. Still isn't official or valid reference.

Now when I search quotes from Tetsuya Nomura or the SE staff themselves saying something, I get tons of information. So that means it's valid.

Here you go bro, as you can see it's not from some magazine but a actual page from the 25th ulti. Also you just said before, you read the Ultimanias implying they were perfectly fine to use, but now that there is a quote that shows you Cloud had romantic feelings for Tifa you suddenly claim they aren't canon. Really makes you think

 

[KindOfBlue]

I've read the ultimanias and nothing romantic concerning Cloud's interest has been confirmed so do tell.

I dunno, friend…

She ventured into Lifestream together with Cloud. Amidst the course of him trying to ascertain his memories, they became aware of the thoughts/feelings which each other was holding.
-Tifa profile, 10th Anniversary Ultimania

She and Cloud came to realize their feelings for each other in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC.
- Tifa profile, Crisis Core Ultimania.

Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, without using words, he confirms with her that their feelings match.
- For the One I Love, 20th Anniversary Ultimania

Not to mention all the things that have been officially said about the under the Highwind scene

And, yes, let us wait for Parts of the remake to make their debut in order to sound the bell just yet. Not yet. I get what I have been shown but we need to watch out for the remake. These are SE developer's true intentions.

Then why write this?

Cloud was never under the allusion that he was Zack, as a matter of fact Cloud has been Cloud his true self the whole time. Zack and Cloud act different, and so therefore are two completely different individuals. So to get mixed up with Zack and Cloud is your own doing not the OG. Cloud only got his memories in a blunder because of Mako poisoning and confusion. That is where Tifa comes along to mend Cloud's memories in the lifestream scene. It is Cloud's memories that has been muddled. But to say that Cloud has been Zack and that his personalities and feelings are Zack is just ridiculous assumption and not true.

No. Cloud and Tifa did not "hook up" in FFVII nor during AC so that is over. They are still friends fighting along side, notice I said friends because that is what they are (AVALANCHE).

All of this is based on info from the OG, but you want us to only consider what the remake shows?

 

[Clear A]

https://www.justpushstart.com/2017/...DeXSNl2OU1W7fi9k0eNKNSRdVxpTv7qwbBrNQ0wsquvdg

 

[Clear A]

All of this is based on info from the OG, but you want us to only consider what the remake shows?

https://www.justpushstart.com/2017/...DeXSNl2OU1W7fi9k0eNKNSRdVxpTv7qwbBrNQ0wsquvdg

^^^^^^^Tetsuya Nomura's own words.

Not to be rude or anything

Here you go bro, as you can see it's not from some magazine but a actual page from the 25th ulti. Also you just said before, you read the Ultimanias implying they were perfectly fine to use, but now that there is a quote that shows you Cloud had romantic feelings for Tifa you suddenly claim they aren't canon. Really makes you think

That is not valid. I'm sorry. SE nor TN never said this stuff. But a fan did unrelated to SE= not valid.

 

[a_apple 2.0]

https://www.justpushstart.com/2017/...DeXSNl2OU1W7fi9k0eNKNSRdVxpTv7qwbBrNQ0wsquvdg

I ain't clicking dat shit, if you want to discuss something do it, if not then it's time to gently walk away

 

[Clear A]

I ain't clicking dat shit, if you want to discuss something do it, if not then it's time to gently walk away

Umm...ok. Cursing like a sailor from your end really proves nothing. And if one of you lackey's think that this is cute or VALID on your part then I would be ashamed of myself if I were they. You wouldn't even read what TN said but yet you are picking at me for not reading what you call as "evidence" and being rude. Provide solid references and then we can have a solid discussion.

Why would you read something that didn't even come out of the mouth or mind of SE or TN. You are literally sabotaging yourself. Again like I just mentioned we have to wait for the completion of this remake. Straight.

 

[a_apple 2.0]

Cursing like a sailor from your end really proves nothing

lol what's going on

Provide solid references and then we can have a solid discussion.

But I just did, I posted pages from a book SE themselves published. Which shows you that Cloud had romantic feelings for Tifa, which was the point of our discussion since you claimed it was never stated that Cloud had feelings for her, no idea why you are freaking out now

EDIT:
(Not only that but KindOFBlue posted a billion other quotes from Ultimanias that show you that Cloud has romantic feelings for Tifa)

 

[Clear A]

But I just did, I posted pages from a book SE themselves published. Which shows you that Cloud had romantic feelings for Tifa, which was the point of our discussion since you claimed it was never stated that Cloud had feelings for her, no idea why you are freaking out now

SE never published that book I can assure you. That those words, sentences or page numbers were never quoted from SE or TN. Those were not their words but a fan. Believe me on this. I would be careful. That book has no legitimacy whatso ever. And can be thrown in as a fan's book with the fan's own thoughts. No reference? Not good my friend.

So ya. As I was saying. FFVII remake will be canon and different from FFVII the polygonal experience. The remake is what we are justifying Cloud joining SOLDIER because of Tifa. (?????) We will have to wait and see.

C'mon
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Do note that Cloud's name was not shown in that dialogue. So it is a miss. We know Tifa is talking but is Cloud? Or the narrator?

 

[a_apple 2.0]

>I actually felt for a memester looking for a goof
fug

 

[Eerie]

Albeit it, Cloud never really joined SOLDIER initially for Tifa to notice him, he initially joined SOLDIER to be like Sephiroth.

You're literally ignoring the screenshots from the Lifestream scene where Cloud states he wanted to be noticed by Tifa, smh.

But when the remake comes out and it panes differently then what?

What makes you think this will happen when the devs' favourite scene and the one they deem as most important is the Lifestream scene? When it has already been hinted at - and they even doubled down in Intermission with Marle - when they literally tell you in the future Ultimania that Cloud made up the scene with Tifa noticing him - because as @a_apple 2.0's screenshot say, it's what he's always wanted, to be noticed by Tifa.

 

[Clear A]

^^I don't know what you are saying. But if the FFVII remake make it ALL clear and official THEN you can solidify your thoughts and ideas on that whole issue but as of NOW, you read Tetsuya Nomura's words concerning FFVII PS1 game. The remake will be the official NOW more than ever.

Did they really say that the Lifestream is their most important scene? Like I said about the screenshot is it even CLOUD TALKING? Or the NARRATOR? Where is CLOUD'S NAME? But I am not striking off the possibility of Cloud joining SOLDIER to have Tifa notice him. Yet and still we have to wait for what the developers add to the Remake because it is the OFFICIAL installment.

I'm going based on TETSUYA NOMURA'S words on this whole issue. And not relying on fake evidence. If you don't appreciate it then I don't know what else to do.

https://www.kh13.com/news/tetsuya-nomura-interviewed-by-final-fantasy-dream-at-magic-2017

 

[KindOfBlue]

^^^^^^^Tetsuya Nomura's own words.

But you yourself used info from the OG to make a point, so again, why should we only look at the remake? Also, those ultimanias are official sources, I dunno what you hope to gain by ignoring them.

 

[Clear A]

Well Cloud may be trying to get Tifa to notice him when he joined SOLDIER, which he might be. I am not denying that yet, but let us wait until Parts of the remake make their debut then we can discuss. Because he did say in FFVII OG (PS1) that Cloud wanted Tifa to notice him during the Lifestream (even though it could be a Narrator). I'm actually not denying that, but I am still waiting for the remake to complete. And TN did say things will be a lot different.

Again, I will say this everyone has made an impact, no denying that. Anything is free for all at this point. So I would perceive friendship as the most amiable route. It is even kind of hard to see Cloud romanticizing with anyone. I mean it is just not Cloud. lol

Let us all take a breather and freshen or lighten up. Don't be so closed-minded.

 

[KindOfBlue]

Because he did say in FFVII OG (PS1) that Cloud wanted Tifa to notice him during the Lifestream (even though it could be a Narrator)

Why would a narrator from Cloud’s perspective inside Cloud’s consciousness not be Cloud? This is such a weird point to make

It is even kind of hard to see Cloud romanticizing with anyone. I mean it is just not Cloud. lol

Let us all take a breather and freshen or lighten up. Don't be so closed-minded.

Shouldn’t you show that same level of open-mindedness to what the devs have already explained about the characters they created? Sure, there’s many ways to interpret things but it’s kind of odd to ignore what the creators have already expressed. Like whatever ship you like, but the devs’ words shouldn’t be ignored like that.

 

[Clear A]

Why would a narrator from Cloud’s perspective inside Cloud’s consciousness not be Cloud? This is such a weird point to make

Again we need to wait for the parts of the Remake (OFFICIALLY) to make any more assumptions. SO let us wait for the remake that is what I am saying.

Shouldn’t you show that same level of open-mindedness to what the devs have already explained about the characters they created? Sure, there’s many ways to interpret things but it’s kind of odd to ignore what the creators have already expressed. Like whatever ship you like, but the devs’ words shouldn’t be ignored like that.

I have. But you still need to hear and read it from SE and the directors or the developers themselves. With a quote and a name attached so that we know who said this and who said what. It makes life easier for all of us. Because a fan or "devout" lay workers might add their own spin into this and into that. So pay attention to that.

As for me, I gave nothing but factual evidence from the mouths of the developers. So you can use them with confidence.

 

[eleamaya]

Did they really say that the Lifestream is their most important scene?

Kitase and Nomura did say it's their favorite scene.
But people here could dig the actual quote from the interview better than me.