SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Ryushikaze]

I'm once again asking that we revisit the fact that square decided to release a novella from cloud's pov reconfirming that he wanted to join SOLDIER to become someone special for tifa a week before the game's release. like if you can't see the writing on the wall... then idk. please just use your brain (i mean this in the nicest way possible) and think about why they would remind everyone that cloud wants to be special for tifa if that's not relevant to rebirth?

What's the name of that Novella? I'd be curious to give it a go.

 

[Maidenofwar]

I don't know because I wanted them to have interaction that was not about Cloud.

 

[Nal]

Trawling through every little detail in a creative work in order to unearth "evidence" that supposedly further proves your existing bias, IMO, is one of the worst ways to experience any sort of fiction. This is what drives me up the fucking wall when it comes to shipping in any fandom. Just trust the narrative, trust the writers, and let them guide you through the story and the characters in them.

In any work of fiction, there's a contract between creator and reader—that trust needs to exist for the work to be expansive and experienced in full. It's so clear there's zero fucking trust for the creators in the more extreme ends of the shipping war, which makes me really sad. It seems like a miserable way to be, honestly.

Like just play the OG game the answers for endgame is there its not that complicated right? what other game series has people just refuse what happens in the story i dont get it. Its not about shipping its about keeping the canon of the game?

 

[Kigan]

Cloud barely flinches when pulling and kissing Tifa, he's visibly hurt when Aerith denies talking about Zack and he's all flustered after holding her hand that he can't even look at her.

It could mean a variety of things: it could mean absolutely nothing, it could mean poor cutscene direction on Square's side, it could mean different girls provoke different reactions, or it could mean First Class Soldier Cloud kissed Tifa while Cloud (Cloud, you know, the one she's trying to find?) held Aerith's hand (which is pretty much their entire dynamic since Remake Part 1).
Who knows.

Regardless of OG arguments, why would an author of the remake games create two books, one focused on Tifa and Aerith's past, that very explicitly tells you the kind of love Tifa had for cloud and even retcons a bit of OG with them being close as toddlers and then he starts to distance himself and then right before Rebirth put out a book that says Cloud wanted to be Special for Tifa?

If they fell completely in love and openly declared it, her death wouldn't feel as impactful.
Again, read the Lyrics of Hollow and NPTK.

 

[loozzer]

What's the name of that Novella? I'd be curious to give it a go.

yes ! it's called 2000 gil to the hero. there's translations of it on various ff7 twitter accounts.

 

[KindOfBlue]

It really seems to be going over some people’s heads that at the end of the day, Cloud and Aerith are a tragic pairing

 

[Nal]

What's the name of that Novella? I'd be curious to give it a go.

it just came out check here it is translated

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1760546127198175390

 

[r_monk]

Like just play the OG game the answers for endgame is there its not that complicated right? what other game series has people just refuse what happens in the story i dont get it. Its not about shipping its about keeping the canon of the game?

IDK but I genuinely wonder if it's a life experience thing, honestly...

 

[Maidenofwar]

Unrequited love is more tragic than yes he had some genuine feelings for her

 

[kate-kane]

Meanwhile, we Zeriths are having a field day here. Come on at this point it's obvious he loves Aerith more than Cloud. So please don't be sad rejoice. Zack loves Aerith and he'll love you too.

I think CloTis are having a field day too.

 

[GamerSkull]

I gotta say, I truly wonder how people that dislike Tifa but like Clerith feel about Discs 2 and 3? Do you think they go through the Lifestream sequence with their eyes closed?

 

[r_monk]

I gotta say, I truly wonder how people that dislike Tifa but like Clerith feel about Discs 2 and 3? Do you think they go through the Lifestream sequence with their eyes closed?

Some of the more extreme shippers insist that the lifestream sequence proves that Tifa was a bully to Cloud and purposefully excluded him socially when they were kids....

 

[Lockhart_201]

Cloud barely flinches when pulling and kissing Tifa, he's visibly hurt when Aerith denies talking about Zack and he's all flustered after holding her hand that he can't even look at her.

It could mean a variety of things: it could mean absolutely nothing, it could mean poor cutscene direction on Square's side, it could mean different girls provoke different reactions, or it could mean First Class Soldier Cloud kissed Tifa while Cloud (Cloud, you know, the one she's trying to find?) held Aerith's hand (which is pretty much their entire dynamic since Remake Part 1).
Who knows.

If they fell completely in love and openly declared it, her death wouldn't feel as impactful.
Again, read the Lyrics of Hollow and NPTK.

To be honest, I think it's the genuine Cloud who's peeking through when Tifa asks if she's just getting ahead of herself again. The confidence of 'soldier' Cloud allows him to assure her that he loves her (True Cloud).

 

[KindOfBlue]

Unrequited love is more tragic than yes he had some genuine feelings for her

I dunno if that’s somehow supposed to be reassuring but the tragedy is that they don’t get the happy ending people have been hoping for

 

[Nal]

Cloud barely flinches when pulling and kissing Tifa, he's visibly hurt when Aerith denies talking about Zack and he's all flustered after holding her hand that he can't even look at her.

It could mean a variety of things: it could mean absolutely nothing, it could mean poor cutscene direction on Square's side, it could mean different girls provoke different reactions, or it could mean First Class Soldier Cloud kissed Tifa while Cloud (Cloud, you know, the one she's trying to find?) held Aerith's hand (which is pretty much their entire dynamic since Remake Part 1).
Who knows.

If they fell completely in love and openly declared it, her death wouldn't feel as impactful.
Again, read the Lyrics of Hollow and NPTK.

Aerith tells him on her date let her have this just until the ride is over because she needs comfort in that moment. Hes not flustered holding her hand at first; its awkward; hes giving Aerith comfort; its a really heartwarming scene.
Also watch cloud and tifa after there kiss, they keep staring at each other and are really shy and dont know what to say

 

[Nal]

Some of the more extreme shippers insist that the lifestream sequence proves that Tifa was a bully to Cloud and purposefully excluded him socially when they were kids....

disproven in traces of two pasts book

 

[r_monk]

disproven in traces of two pasts book

Oh, I'm aware lol. It's like Nojima has read up on every misconception and written ironclad armor for it all lol. It's almost absurd.

 

[Nal]

Oh, I'm aware lol. It's like Nojima has read up on every misconception and written ironclad armor for it all lol. It's almost absurd.

Same with this game also traces stuff is everywhere in this game from

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references to characters even some conversations

 

[r_monk]

Same with this game also traces stuff is everywhere in this game from

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references to characters even some conversations

I got that sense even from the demo! Still not over the fact that they named Tifa's cat FLUFFY in the english version. I can forgive LTD fuckery from the writers, but not that stupid name.

 

[null]

Some of the more extreme shippers insist that the lifestream sequence proves that Tifa was a bully to Cloud and purposefully excluded him socially when they were kids....

I'm convinced Nojima lurks on FFVII forums and got fed up with what he was reading.

• "Tifa was only in love with Fake Cloud"
  
• "Tifa doesn't have a story apart from Cloud"
• "Cloud's feelings were always platonic"
• "Tifa used to bully Clo-" You know what, I have several book ideas now

 

[r_monk]

I'm convinced Nojima lurks on FFVII forums and got fed up with what he was reading.

• "Tifa was only in love with Fake Cloud"
  
• "Tifa doesn't have a story apart from Cloud"
• "Cloud's feelings were always platonic"
• "Tifa used to bully Clo-" You know what, I have several book ideas now

Staring into the middle distance as he plots...

 

[Nal]

I'm convinced Nojima lurks on FFVII forums and got fed up with what he was reading.

• "Tifa was only in love with Fake Cloud"
  
• "Tifa doesn't have a story apart from Cloud"
• "Cloud's feelings were always platonic"
• "Tifa used to bully Clo-" You know what, I have several book ideas now

Its actually crazy how much of that stuff is straight up just disproven in the most unsubtle ways

 

[r_monk]

Its actually crazy how much of that stuff is straight up just disproven in the most unsubtle ways

Unfortunately necessary, haha. FFVII isn't some Booker Prize award winning experimental novel. It's a videogame and I think the writers knew what they had to do to make it PAINFULLY CLEAR (and even then, as this thread has proved, that still isn't enough............)

 

[Maidenofwar]

Anyway those NPCs are dirty liars and I'm not going to listen to them.

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. Cloud and Aerith do have a spark!, he googly eyes at her while he catches the flower petal!/SPOILER]

I go to bed now

 

[GamerSkull]

Some of the more extreme shippers insist that the lifestream sequence proves that Tifa was a bully to Cloud and purposefully excluded him socially when they were kids....

How are they coming to this conclusion? But fine, assuming that’s the case… how do they square away that Cloud joined SOLDIER for Tifa. That he protected her in disguise, and basically fulfilled the promise he made to her?