They make it very clear the relationships going forward
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Yo I don’t know if any of y’all came across Margot strife posts lolol. Her take on the dating scenes are horrible
I’m just entertained. She’s trashing on Cloud’s character bc things didn’t go the way she imagined in her head. Really doesn’t care for the story
I’m just entertained. She’s trashing on Cloud’s character bc things didn’t go the way she imagined in her head. Really doesn’t care for the story
Maidenofwar
They/Them
I've said this before but we shouldn't be doxxing people here.
Also Cloud does not call Aerith weird.
Also Cloud does not call Aerith weird.
Ya you’re right. She’s entitled to her opinion. My bad
LNK
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We definitely did keep hearing that, but we didn't know exactly what they meant by equal. They don't need to get the exact same kind of moments to get equal treatment.
faefolk
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I haven't seen videos of him calling her weird - just saying she's being weird.
LNK
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- Nate
What's the name?
GamerSkull
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I actually checked Twitter just earlier to see what the hubbub was about. Big mistake. A whole bunch of copium. But I do kind of feel bad for some of the Clerith fans that are openly stating that they’re leaving the fandom. Sucks to be that disappointed with a story as I’ve been there before with several in the past.
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Cleriths are leaving the Final Fantasy VII fandom all bc they didn’t like what they saw?
LNK
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True, my mistake. I should've added that for some people, opposites attract. I never meant to imply that was the case for all people.
It's possible Cloud/Aerith could've worked out better than him/Tifa
GamerSkull
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Yeah, I saw a few posters who said that. One straight up said all her art was a complete waste of time.
Maidenofwar
They/Them
Yeah, I think
there might be a bit of an overreaction or misunderstanding of that word on both sides from some. If I remember right the word weird is used on Tifa's date as well, she's saying it's weird finding themselves in the situation they are in, not that their date is weird, which would be a bad faith take
Legend45
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You'd think they would stay for story purposes afterall there is narrative purpose but I guess not
KindOfBlue
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Naturally, people are going to be on the defensive to preserve some false sense of “validity”.
Um, actually, they held hands for .5 seconds longer, therefore #canon.
…and?
It’s all meant to serve a story. It’s not about “proving” a ship’s existence, it’s not about “keeping shippers fed”, it’s not about “letting the player interpret such and such.”
You are being strung along a carefully crafted story with defined character relationships and developments. And anything you try to reassure yourself with only highlights what little control you actually have.
Because you, the player…are a puppet.
Um, actually, they held hands for .5 seconds longer, therefore #canon.
…and?
It’s all meant to serve a story. It’s not about “proving” a ship’s existence, it’s not about “keeping shippers fed”, it’s not about “letting the player interpret such and such.”
You are being strung along a carefully crafted story with defined character relationships and developments. And anything you try to reassure yourself with only highlights what little control you actually have.
Because you, the player…are a puppet.
GamerSkull
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I just don’t really understand tbh. I said it several pages ago as well. How can they act like any of this is not already a huge possibility. This story has been around for 20+ years. It isn’t a surprise.
faefolk
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Tifa says it's weird that they've known each other since childhood but have never been this close. Pretty different context. But also it's pretty normal to say someone's being weird if someone's being weird haha
I haven't read the last few pages but I have to say
I'm legitimately surprised that SE wrote Cloud kissing one of his love interests. On one hand, this shouldn't be that big of a shock since it's implied he sleeps with Tifa in the original but that was the original and in polygons. Since then, it's felt like SE has tried really hard to make Cloud really chaste and sterile as far as romance goes. Nojima said he always imagined that a sequel to FF7 would have Cloud and Tifa together yet both AC and OWTAS felt lacking in intimacy. Even on the clerith side, when you saw the apperances they'd have in spinoff games, it was always very cold or super tragic. It's like all intimate actions from Cloud were removed. That's why seeing him actually kiss someone on-screen feels so weird but it also feels so gratifying. About damn time
faefolk
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Tbh though I'm enjoying shipping discourse currently, I don't generally partake because if I was reading this as a novel it's got a clear beginning, middle and end with clear cut character destinations regardless of any optional scenes. Because I'm a big reader - I've always perceived the story as it's presented as a whole.
I just think the shipping conversations around this game are amusing more than anything. Though tbh if the shipping stuff is as heavy handed as it seems for this new game I think it's doing a discredit to the characters and making it unnecessarily dramatic. So I'm hoping it looks different in the wider context.
faefolk
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My favourite part of it is
how awkward the kiss looks and what they're like afterwards. Because ultimately 'true' Cloud is just a massive dork and so I am so here for that dorky awkwardness lmao
Honestly didn't think the kiss itself was really awkward but actually very romantic. Felt right out of the entries like FF8 or FF10 in how the romance was presented. But absolutely when it comes to right after. The awkwardness where both of them can barely look at the other is so in character and so accurate to Cloud (and Tifa's) character haha. That was probably Cloud's first ever kiss and being the dork he is, he has no idea what to do next
faefolk
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yeah I more mean like.. how he pulls her in for a hug like he needs a second more to work up the nerve for the main event. It's so adorable and yeah I meant awkward like 'first kiss vibes' not the bad kind.
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Very true. It's also more or less the same verbiage they used for Remake iirc. Could refer to raw quantities of cutscenes, missions, dialogue choices etc. But not necessarily plot or characterization.
I'm still shocked though. And maybe a bit sad? I'm not 100% sure what Aerith's state of mind is after that date, but it sure sounds like she was heartbroken. Regardless if she's in some quantum superposition between Cloud and Zack, she's gotta be a hot mess. And barring some undead relationship development in part 3* it's not how I wanted her to go out. At any rate, I never thought the devs would go that direction.
*Yeah I know. I've got to get over dead people living their lives. Maybe I can finally enjoy AC after turning the corner here.
I'm sure aerith will show up in part 3 and get a proper happy ending. they're not gonna do her dirty like that. I would love it if
she helps tifa in the lifestream when tifa's getting overwhelmed with all the voices and plops her into cloud's subconscious. I think we will also get a proper version of her death and funeral. there's no way they're leaving such an iconic moment out
LNK
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I love that they're going this route. It provides different characterizations for the characters. I honestly hate when characters get the exact same kind of outcomes. It's so unrealistic. Yes it's a fantasy game, but it's also a reflection of real life.
Ff15 has my favorite story/ending