SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke
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Rin
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I vaguely recall Nojima saying he's had this written for like a decade and was just sitting on it because they never confirmed if they were gonna do a remake or not lol I'm sure he's changed some stuff between now and then but he definitely seems to know where he's going with it and has put a lot of his free time and effort into it.
Ryushikaze
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On the left, second one down for people looking for it.
And Remake was definitely well into production in 2018, so they wanted people paying attention to the doggos.
I ironically think Snow was meant to be kind of annoying because he's annoying to Lightning. When you see him from Serah's perspective in 2 he's genuinely a good dude and a lot more like Zack and while giving this might be giving the 13 trilogy too much credit I do wonder if that was on purpose.
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Maidenofwar
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I think it might be too late to avoid a melt down, as far as extremists go, if things don't go the way some want as far as influencers, streamers, etc.
For my part I shall try to fade with peacefully/quietly/gently with dignity and grace
For my part I shall try to fade with peacefully/quietly/gently with dignity and grace
Yoru
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That strange moment when you just wanted to play a stylish game as a teenager and you find yourself 25 years later studying the various movements of Buddhism, the interpretation of the Japanese language and the psychology of characters in an attempt to understand the remake of said game...
Rin
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It sure was, my friend.... It sure was...
Sacky
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They also said this. I think people have completely lost the plot "and that you can recognise with demand in this capitalist society, the writer's story can't completely shine & Square Enix will do their best to cater to Tifa stans, and never reveal a canon ship. Although- they are always strongly hinting on Aerith as the female lead."
abzy1200
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Everytime....like clockwork lmao.
Yoru
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Ah yes, making a point by being the most misogynist fucker in the universe. Another day on FF7 twt.
She never tried to bypass her village's old-fashioned way of thinking by emancipating (thank you @Ryushikaze sensei) herself, refused to wait for her prince charming by training to fight, didn't find herself homeless at 15, far from home, and still tried to survive by working without giving in to the "ease" of prostitution, didn't open her own business...
Totally a character who stakes everything on her looks, so much so that she hates being looked at like a piece of meat, and that's another of the reasons she fell for Cloud, compared with the village kids who saw her as a trophy.
Once again, in their world, you're not allowed to have your say as long as you're sexy. It's not as if Tifa's character was already something of a convention-changer back then, with a heroine far removed from the princess/priestess image. And that's what was awesome.
Like I said yesterday. They hate her because they fear her. As they should.
JUST READ THE DAMN BOOK
She never tried to bypass her village's old-fashioned way of thinking by emancipating (thank you @Ryushikaze sensei) herself, refused to wait for her prince charming by training to fight, didn't find herself homeless at 15, far from home, and still tried to survive by working without giving in to the "ease" of prostitution, didn't open her own business...
Totally a character who stakes everything on her looks, so much so that she hates being looked at like a piece of meat, and that's another of the reasons she fell for Cloud, compared with the village kids who saw her as a trophy.
Once again, in their world, you're not allowed to have your say as long as you're sexy. It's not as if Tifa's character was already something of a convention-changer back then, with a heroine far removed from the princess/priestess image. And that's what was awesome.
Like I said yesterday. They hate her because they fear her. As they should.
JUST READ THE DAMN BOOK
Ryushikaze
Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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This is the flood.
The copium is intense, as are the buzzwords.
Also these people know that "female lead" and "love interest" are not synonymous, right? Even accepting that Aerith was "the" singular female lead and not one of two, it's entirely possible for the lead not to be the romance. Like Terra is THE LEAD of FF6, and yet she's not in romance with any of the men (or women) who could be said to also be Lead. Firion and Maria are the male and female leads of FF2, since it got mentioned, no romance for either.
Emancipating.
Also they'll never read the book because that means learning more about someone they hate and if they learn more they might not hate her any more and all the hate will be a waste...
Rin
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It just pisses me off to see other women call themselves feminists and then immediately follow-up with the most misogynistic nonsense. They also have a tweet about how Tifa's popularity would decrease massively if SE put her in a turtleneck sweater. I'm like ???? You do realize she's like almost completely covered up in Advent Children and that's one of her most popular outfits amongst her fans?
As a woman, it just really triggers me to see other women being so obtuse, male-focused, and misogynistic while claiming WE'RE the misogynistic ones for liking a character who just so happens to have large breasts.
Personal anecdote: two years ago, I had the exact same breast size as Tifa. I got a breast reduction because they were destroying my back but my worth and value as a person did not increase with the decrease of my bust. Reducing a female character down to the size of her breasts is so cartoonishly misogynistic that it feels like a damn joke.
And then to praise men who can "see past Tifa" and recognize Aerith as the main heroine is just.... such an infantilization of men that it makes me sick. They're essentially suggesting that men can't think past their sexual desires, so of course Tifa is their preference, but if they prefer Aerith then we gotta throw them a party for not falling into temptation. Like wtf kind of puritanical nonsense is that?
Sacky
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They legit think us men can only like a female character for their attractiveness and not because of the characters writing, its so strange. What's weird is some of the male fanatatics repeat that they are better for not liking the character with the larger chest size like that matters at all for the actual fans of the characters. If this were true scarlett would be the most popular character but she isn't and then they cant answer why not cause they say well scarlett is evil and Tifa is not, see personality and writing point disproven
Yoru
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Aerith being the most "princess in danger in another castle" character ever seen in the first half of the game lmao. But of course, this is the character who tells you that you're a better man than the others. Literally the caricature of the woman who needs the man to save her.
(Again, nothing wrong with that, it's an archetype, it's just a setup and she's much more than that. Just laughing at their bad faith takes).
abzy1200
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The funniest part about claiming that Tifa would be less popular if she was "covered up" in a turtleneck, is that it's not even true. People still love Ada Wong from Resident Evil even though she's "covered up" in a turtleneck lmao.
It always annoys me aswell when people praise men for not being overtly horny for characters/people. Like yeah? that's the bare minimum.
Yoru
Pro Adventurer
Not even have to search in another series. We have Advent Children Tifa. Maybe the most loved outfit of the fandom lmao.
Barret in Remake is one of the most beautiful black men in all of gaming. Everyone’s hearts melt when he emotes without his sunglasses.
I'm hoping the extremists will be bored waiting on p3, and find something else to focus their energies on.I think it might be too late to avoid a melt down, as far as extremists go, if things don't go the way some want as far as influencers, streamers, etc.
For my part I shall try to fade with peacefully/quietly/gently with dignity and grace
The fake feminism, fake "women need to be independent from men, so Tifa should decenter Cloud and live her life as strong independent woman", "Aerith needs to live because its a story about fighting fate", I can sorta roll my eyes and ignore because the real reason for these posts is transparent, but the constant getting into streamers chats mocking and passive aggressively forcing them to play the game a certain way irritates me endlessly
I thought Rebirth was very generous with Cloud/Aerith though, though to me its clear to me where compilation is heading.
I probably missed the earlier posts but how do you think P3 will end?
Yoru
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Could be the greatest Cloti enjoyer, doesn't change the fact this take is shit.
I don't even care if it's about defending their ship or not. It's just disrespectful, and a great lack of understanding. Literally misogynist behavior reducting a woman by her look. Women don't need men to tell them what they can do or not with their body. Girl is training everyday to have a body she loves and make her feel good ? Good for her if she wanna show it. Just shut up.
Tifa is a character loved by a lot of women too. So what ? They're dumb and just thirsty ?
Rin
Pro Adventurer
There's a whole sidequest about it and these people want to be stupid about her because they don't care enough to do Tifa quests but then complain that there's no content for her outside of Cloud. Well MAYBE if you actually liked this game, you'd care about exploring all the characters
It says a lot that they don't.