SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[GamerSkull]

He's not tugging at her hand to let go in Kalm, slow down shows he was actually trying to close his grasp as she let go to run ahead, also Tifa takes Aerith's hand to pull her through the crowd in Gold Saucer.

If you’re referring to the arm-grabbing I mentioned earlier, it wasn’t a serious point. It was just a counter to people claiming Tifa grabbing Cloud’s hand in Gongaga is “groping.”

Basically, if they are portraying these with bad faith then wouldn’t the same be equally true for other characters?

 

[Yoru]

The post was made a while ago but I'll still voice my concern again:

In my opinion, the devs have backed themselves into a corner regarding when to best reveal Aerith's death to Cloud. Or, atleast from the point of view that Cleriths could take an otherwise Cloti thing and run with it. It would still be a Cloti moment, but with Aerith's involvement there will be disengenuous people out there who will cling to what few moments they have in part 3.

1. Like the others have said, the Nortern Crater is supposed to be about Cloud, Tifa, and their past. It's a test of their bond. If Cloud's mental fracture comes as a result of Aerith's death, while I myself wouldn't say it's a Clerith thing, we all know who would, and I don't think we'd ever hear the end of it.

2. If Aerith's death is revealed to Cloud during the Lifestream sequence, then it's the same situation; It's a moment for Cloud and Tifa so it doesn't really have a place there. Again, while I myself wouldn't interpret Aerith's death being revealed to Cloud during the lifestream sequence to be a Clerith thing, we all know who would.

3. I would agree that when it comes to revealing Aerith's death to him, since the NC and the LS are moments about Cloud and Tifa, it would only make sense to do it when you return to the FC. However, I've said in the past that if Cloud goes into the LS, and comes out still fucked in the head then it feels insulting to Tifa and her role in the narrative. The LS is about two things; restoring and helping Cloud from his mental anguish and them revealing their feelings for each other. So if Cloud's mind is still stuck in this limbo zone between reality and a timeline in the lifestream, and it still is post LS, then Tifa has only fulfilled one of those things as opposed to both like she did in the original, therefore it feels like her big moment was overshadowed by Aerith somewhat. Well, not necessarily 'overshadowed', but complications introduced because of Aerith, her death, and the decision to have Cloud's mind stuck in this limbo zone is what prevents Tifa from fully having her moment.

What I'm trying to say here is: Atleast one major Cloti/Tifa thing will have to be sacrificed and be falsely interpreted as a Clerith thing taking a Cloti thing by disengenuous people no matter where or when the reveal to Cloud happens.

Then again, that's just how I feel. I could be interpreting the games or things said by other people here wrong, and if so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know. I really don't see how the team can reach the NC without even talk about what happened. They're gonna visit the INN, watch the professor Gast archives, and no one will talk about how sad it is that Aerith is dead now ? I don't buy it.

Aerith death reveal has to be sooner.

As for sacrificing a Cloti moment to a Clerith one. I don't see why. Cloud breaking point has never been a tragic memory. His trigger is Tifa. It's literally at his character core. You can't change that. It's too late.

Clerith had their moment. It was Rebirth. They had their goodbye. It's over. The game won't come back to show other CloudxAerith moments. She's not here anymore. The game focus will be Cloti. It's the story.

 

[abzy1200]

As for sacrificing a Cloti moment to a Clerith one. I don't see why. Cloud breaking point has never been a tragic memory. His trigger is Tifa. It's literally at his character core. You can't change that. It's too late.

That's not what I'm saying though. I mean that a Cloti moment or "thing" will be interpreted as such by Cleriths.

I myself would not see Aerith's death being revealed at the Northern Crater to be a Clerith thing , but my point is that we'll never hear the end of it from Cleriths. And that it will probably be very annoying, since they will cling to it because, as you said, their time is over and it would likely be the only thing they get in part 3.

 

[GamerSkull]

That's not what I'm saying though. I mean that a Cloti moment or "thing" will be interpreted as such by Cleriths.

I myself would not see Aerith's death being revealed at the Northern Crater to be a Clerith thing , but my point is that we'll never hear the end of it from Cleriths. And that it will probably be very annoying, since they will cling to it because, as you said, their time is over and it would likely be the only thing they get in part 3.

To be fair, many things will still be interpreted that way by extremists. I don’t think it matters,

Personally, if it’s gonna be revealed in one of these places it should be the Northern Cave so the LS sequence can be just for Cloud and Tifa’s past. That is more important imo.

We can have the reveal then dovetail into how Tifa’s opinion is the only one that matters to Cloud. Of course, extremists will certainly read it a certain way but again, they would have anyway.

 

[abzy1200]

To be fair, many things will still be interpreted that way by extremists. I don’t think it matters,

Personally, if it’s gonna be revealed in one of these places it should be the Northern Cave so the LS sequence can be just for Cloud and Tifa’s past. That is more important imo.

We can have the reveal then dovetail into how Tifa’s opinion is the only one that matters to Cloud. Of course, extremists will certainly read it a certain way but again, they would have anyway.

Yeah, I guess. The same thing that's happening right now with Tifa 'groping' will happen again with the UTH scene, Tifa is supposedly going to push herself onto Cloud, same old same old.

It's just that I'd like to avoid any LTD fuel for part 3, it certainly didn't enrich Remake or Rebirth for me.

 

[ChaosandConfusion]

Good lord, kpop stan accounts feeding info to people who never played the game. I might die of laughter and coughing from having the flu.

 

[GamerSkull]

Good lord, kpop stan accounts feeding info to people who never played the game. I might die of laughter and coughing from having the flu.

They’ll be in for a rude awakening if they ever decide to play the game.

 

[GamerSkull]

Yeah, I guess. The same thing that's happening right now with Tifa 'groping' will happen again with the UTH scene, Tifa is supposedly going to push herself onto Cloud, same old same old.

It's just that I'd like to avoid any LTD fuel for part 3, it certainly didn't enrich Remake or Rebirth for me.

Yup, brace yourselves for it. They will twist everything to fit their viewpoint.

 

[abzy1200]

Another thing - What do we think part 3's theme song will be about? Who will it be about or based on?

 

[GamerSkull]

Another thing - What do we think part 3's theme song will be about? Who will it be about or based on?

Hoping it’s a Tifa song this time around.

 

[abzy1200]

Hoping it’s a Tifa song this time around.

Cloud did say he wanted to hear Tifa on stage after Aerith's performance.

It would also fit nicely - Cloud in Remake - Aerith in Rebirth - Tifa in part 3 - the three lead roles

 

[ChaosandConfusion]

Another thing - What do we think part 3's theme song will be about? Who will it be about or based on?

I think it's going to be about Sephiroth.

 

[nars305]

What if the Aerith death reveal isn’t even a big moment? Would that be bad? Genuinely asking as I don’t have much attachment to Aerith’s death scene for a few reasons:

1. I’ve known of her death forever.
2. I didn’t play the OG so I don’t have the shock/nostalgia factor
3. Because I knew she died it stopped me from getting attached to her character

So what if it’s a similar moment to how Cloud halfway remembers Zack? Granted, Aerith’s death is more heavy since Cloud is right there and feels he should have been able to save her. Would that make you OG players/ Aerith fans upset?

It’s just that, as far as I know in OG, didn’t they kind of make them move right on along after the death?

I’m not very familiar with OG, but I think someone says they go back to the place she died? I think it’d be better to have a scene where Cloud remembers what happened, and then they can all grieve together finally.

I hope my question isn’t rude in any way, I genuinely wanted to know opinions.

 

[abzy1200]

What if the Aerith death reveal isn’t even a big moment? Would that be bad? Genuinely asking as I don’t have much attachment to Aerith’s death scene for a few reasons:

1. I’ve known of her death forever.
2. I didn’t play the OG so I don’t have the shock/nostalgia factor
3. Because I knew she died it stopped me from getting attached to her character

So what if it’s a similar moment to how Cloud halfway remembers Zack? Granted, Aerith’s death is more heavy since Cloud is right there and feels he should have been able to save her. Would that make you OG players/ Aerith fans upset?

It’s just that, as far as I know in OG, didn’t they kind of make them move right on along after the death?

I’m not very familiar with OG, but I think someone says they go back to the place she died? I think it’d be better to have a scene where Cloud remembers what happened, and then they can all grieve together finally.

I hope my question isn’t rude in any way, I genuinely wanted to know opinions.

The problem is that it isn't necessarily him remembering things wrong, it's that his mind is stuck in this limbo zone between reality and not. That's what I gather, atleast.

They return to the Forgotten Capital post LS, and for the reasons I mentioned I think that would be the worst place to reveal it to him as it would take away from Tifa's role, in my opinion.

 

[GamerSkull]

I think it's going to be about Sephiroth.

Would be cool, but since it’s gonna be have to be the theme for the whole game, I’d rather it be about Tifa because a lot of her arc is in this portion of the story. Plus, the song will also be the ending theme so I would bet it’s gonna be a hopeful song for after Meteor is destroyed.

 

[Sacky]

Would be cool, but since it’s gonna be have to be the theme for the whole game, I’d rather it be about Tifa because a lot of her arc is in this portion of the story. Plus, the song will also be the ending theme so I would bet it’s gonna be a hopeful song for after Meteor is destroyed.

im thinking song will be a tifa song about finding something to fight for and finding missing loved ones and be used for the highwind scene but streamer Philip Hartshorn had a fantastic idea of the highwind being a montage of all the characters on that night with their loved ones then end with the Cloud and Tifa scene, i think the song will be playing while we are seeing this montage

 

[Yoru]

What if the Aerith death reveal isn’t even a big moment? Would that be bad? Genuinely asking as I don’t have much attachment to Aerith’s death scene for a few reasons:

1. I’ve known of her death forever.
2. I didn’t play the OG so I don’t have the shock/nostalgia factor
3. Because I knew she died it stopped me from getting attached to her character

So what if it’s a similar moment to how Cloud halfway remembers Zack? Granted, Aerith’s death is more heavy since Cloud is right there and feels he should have been able to save her. Would that make you OG players/ Aerith fans upset?

It’s just that, as far as I know in OG, didn’t they kind of make them move right on along after the death?

I’m not very familiar with OG, but I think someone says they go back to the place she died? I think it’d be better to have a scene where Cloud remembers what happened, and then they can all grieve together finally.

I hope my question isn’t rude in any way, I genuinely wanted to know opinions.

I may die alone on this hill, but I'm going to say it anyway: Aerith's death in OG isn't that big a deal. In the sense that it's sudden, quick, and you don't really believe it actually happened.

Cloud is shocked. Sure, but he immediately accepts what happened. And once they've buried her... she's hardly mentioned again. And we've only just finished CD1 of the 3 available (even if CD3 is mainly there to contain the end cutscenes).

I mean no disrespect to Aerith's die-hard fans... but she's just an "aside" in OG.

Which is why I'm not even sure it plays a big part in the last game. I think her farewell to the group is real and that her new presence will only be to develop what's going on with Zack or developing her fight with Sephiroth in the Lifestream.

 

[pxl_pushr]

I still think Aerith’s death will be reviewed in the revisit to FC. Why? Because post-LS Cloud needs a test of his newfound resolve.

Him reliving the reality of failing to save Aerith could be that test, to take an emotional hit head on and not run from it in a delusion. It also offers a chance for the others to be there to support him, and he can recall the moment as it happened ( thus using the lines Cody recorded that were so emotional ).

In terms of how it’ll be used for shipping, that’s unavoidable. Best to focus on how it can best serve the story and commit to that. Let the crazies twist their pretzels.

Moving it anywhere else, in my mind, either harms a scene or makes the revisit to the FC seem partially redundant since it also shows the Holy Materia.

 

[abzy1200]

I still think Aerith’s death will be reviewed in the revisit to FC. Why? Because post-LS Cloud needs a test of his newfound resolve.

He also needs to be in his right mind post LS though, for the reasons I mentioned. I don't mind it being reviewed and everyone having their time to properly grieve during the revisit. But revealing to him that he's still delusional when he's supposed to have been saved by Tifa would leave a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Yoru]

They literally have to invent new content for her because it simply doesn't exist in OG. And honestly, we've seen what that's like in Rebirth, which corresponds to a part of OG where her character isn't really developed anymore. Most of Aerith's content was Midgar-related. And I think the fact that some people have a strange feeling about the character, that she's a bit absent and a lot less prominent than in Remake, comes from that. Square Enix didn't really have any material sources left.

Not to mention the fact that we still have a HUGE amount to deal with in the last game... I don't see how her death can be that big an event. We don't have time.

So I think the best way to do it is to keep it under wraps for the most part until Cloud starts to sink. From his point of view, it'll be just one of Sephiroth's many lies, until he sees Tifa's horrified face. Then he disappears. We fix him. And when it's time to return to the city of the ancients, we take the opportunity to revisit the scene as it really happened, with Cloud able to begin mourning now that he's himself.

 

[nars305]

Maybe they’ll incorporate OTWTAS. When they revisit it in the book Tifa is actually the one who is crying and needs Cloud’s support.

That or, it’s just always an emotional place for them to visit.

 

[Yoru]

Personally, I think Rebirth is already overdoing it with her death. Honestly, I don't want to spend all my time on that again in the last game. It's a defining moment in video game history, sure, but FF7 isn't just about that. Quite the contrary, in fact.

So yes... sorry but we're moving on now.

 

[nars305]

Personally, I think Rebirth is already overdoing it with her death. Honestly, I don't want to spend all my time on that again in the last game. It's a defining moment in video game history, sure, but FF7 isn't just about that. Quite the contrary, in fact.

So yes... sorry but we're moving on now.

I think it’d be easier to assume they’re just gonna move on if it wasn’t for all the shenanigans at the end.

There’s Nomura saying it’s to depict the denial stage of death but he says that and it doesn’t really make sense with all the life stream rainbows, her waking up, appearing every where. So I don’t know. It’s like they made too much happen for it to just be brushed aside unfortunately.

Maybe they didn’t like the fact that they didn’t give much credence to her death in the original.

 

[Hellenic]

She won't put her experience riding Chocobos at the Gold Saucer to waste.

I know this is a funny innuendo joke, but i do hope we get chocobo racing as an option for Tifa in the third game somewhere. They teased the idea like many others with Tifa so i want it to come to fruition.

 

[Yoru]

I think it’d be easier to assume they’re just gonna move on if it wasn’t for all the shenanigans at the end.

There’s Nomura saying it’s to depict the denial stage of death but he says that and it doesn’t really make sense with all the life stream rainbows, her waking up, appearing every where. So I don’t know. It’s like they made too much happen for it to just be brushed aside unfortunately.

Maybe they didn’t like the fact that they didn’t give much credence to her death in the original.

Denial stage can only exist before the Northern Crater... so... pretty much the introduction of CD2 in OG. So whatever happens, the issue will have to be resolved quickly.

So no, I don't think it plays that big a role. It's not going to be the big focus of the third game. That would be giving too much focus to a dead character. What makes death significant is the absence of the character. If she's there every two seconds, whether in the Lifestream or in Cloud's thoughts, it'll break the whole message of FF7. It's not for nothing that she stays put and doesn't get on a plane with the others. Her role is over for now.