SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

Rin

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I don't know where the Cloud's such an ass that he won't sit next to Aerith narrative goes, but I do know where it leads, to Cloud giving Aerith a mini tour, to him saying Aerith can vent on him, to him holding his hand open for Aerith to take, for him being comfortable enough to do couple poses with her, to him to take photos of her, nothing sneaky about it/I took it boldly, to him still talking to flowers about her, etc, to them getting closer.
As someone who thinks he's being an ass when he chooses not to sit next to her, I don't believe it's a showcase of the fact that he doesn't care about her, I think it's a showcase of the fact that as Nojima said in that AC interview--Cloud will never be the one to take initiative in his relationship with Aerith.

(Note before I continue: I'm someone who genuinely believes their storyline is a romantic one.)

Now, this doesn't mean that Cloud doesn't care for Aerith, love her, having feelings for her, isn't attracted to her, etc.

But whether, it's platonic or romantic, Cloud isn't making an effort. He has to be coaxed. The "burden" of the relationship moving forward is always on Aerith, which is something I personally do not like, and it makes me want to smack Cloud upside the head more often than not.

I just prefer ships where both people are mutually excited and matching each others energy. I don't want Cloud to be coaxed into doing sweet things for Aerith bc she asks him to, I want him to do it because he wants to. I want him to sit next to her because he wants to, not because she pat the seat beside her and he still opts not to sit next to her. That's a very deliberate rejection and she's always hurt by this when he does it, it's written all over her face. Yes, she recovers quickly and closes the gap herself but she shouldn't have to. She deserves to be with someone who simply wants to sit next to her without being asked or coaxed.

Some might see it as a small thing but for me it's small things like that, that speak to two characters overall compatibility as lovers.
 

Maidenofwar

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Yet I see it leading to where he does take the initiative, nobody forced him to tell Aerith he'd be a venting bag, give her a mini tour, hold his hand open, crawl on the floor to try and catch her, take the photos, bring up the flowers, that he'll lead the ride, etc.
 

Rin

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This is what convinced me it wasn't jealousy, the moment he said the same thing while alone the idea of it being jealousy made zero sense to me.
Yeah, it's just him being a neurotic weirdo in my eyes. Jealousy just doesn't track if he says the same thing when he's alone.

I HC that the reason Tifa doesn't bring up having a headache if Cloud is alone is bc Cloud wouldn't leave her side if he knew so the devs cut that part out BUT I would never state that as a fact because I don't know if that's true or not. There could be a totally different reason as to why the dialogue was cut.
 

Rin

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Yet I see it leading to where he does take the initiative, nobody forced him to tell Aerith he'd be a venting bag, give her a mini tour, hold his hand open, crawl on the floor to try and catch her, take the photos, bring up the flowers, that he'll lead the ride, etc.
Yes but again, this is all after he deliberately chooses not to sit next to her and the gap has been closed by Aerith herself. Aerith is still the one leading most of these interactions. Cloud takes her hand after she asks him to let her have this "just until the ride is over."

The Cosmo Canyon quest is my favourite quest in the entire game AND is my favourite Clerith moment because it is the only time where Cloud is doing something sweet w/ her because he wants to, not because he was asked to. But these types of moments are very rare, if they weren't I'd like the ship a lot more but instead their interactions mostly just make me depressed or they make me cringe.

Like if I break down most of these moments you've listed, I can pinpoint the exact moment where Aerith had to coax that reaction/reaponse out of Cloud. That's what I don't like.
 

Stiggie

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Yeah, it's just him being a neurotic weirdo in my eyes. Jealousy just doesn't track if he says the same thing when he's alone.

I HC that the reason Tifa doesn't bring up having a headache if Cloud is alone is bc Cloud wouldn't leave her side if he knew so the devs cut that part out BUT I would never state that as a fact because I don't know if that's true or not. There could be a totally different reason as to why the dialogue was cut.
I took it the reverse, Tifa doesn't actually have a headache, she just doesn't want to intrude and thinks of an excuse. But when he's alone she's not intruding so she doesn't mention it.
 

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I've heard a lot of people talk about how its good that they're not jealous in the remake but instead friends and I think I am one of the few people who actually disagrees lol.
For one I don't think there is anything wrong with jealousy, it's a human emotion that's fine to explore so I don't mind it being there. But Aerith and Tifas friendship does come with baggage that I find particularly unpalpable.

If Aerith and Tifa are great friends then Aeriths behavior kinda disgusts me, it's one thing to hit on Cloud in the presence of Tifa if you don't really know her. But to do it while pretending to be great friends, even as a rebound, or maybe especially as a rebound, just really sickens me. In Rebirth anytime Aerith is alone with Cloud it feels like she's waiting to be alone with him so she can stop her "I'm your friend act" with Tifa an stab her in the back while she's not looking.

Imagine being Tifa, having all these heart to hearts with Aerith, helping her with her pain over Zack, talking about boys, you have a date at the GS with Cloud, you then almost kiss him in Gongaga, Aerith is all supportive telling you it'll be alright, you go back to the GS, you kiss Cloud. And then suddenly when no one is watching Aerith uses her ancient powers to go on a dream date with Cloud and following Clerith interpretations confess her feelings to him......I can say it in no other way than FUCK this woman. Right now I can still find some reasons to give Aerith the benefit of the doubt, mostly the fact that I think Aerith is desperately projecting her feelings for Zack onto Cloud even during the dream date, and is only doing it because she knows this is the end and she wants closure. Aka, she is in no way trying to get between Cloud and Tifa here, she knows that there is no outcome to this date that would result in Tifa being hurt since even IF they both had feelings for each other, that date would still be the end of it and Cloud would go on to Tifa.

But really, if there is ANYTHING in p3 that hints at Aerith actually trying to further connect with Cloud in some romantic way past that date....her character is dead to me. And her friendship with Tifa would be to blame for it, because friends don't do that.


This is what convinced me it wasn't jealousy, the moment he said the same thing while alone the idea of it being jealousy made zero sense to me.
see i get this but i think what the writers want is for Aeriths moments and Tifa's moments to be more about trying to help Cloud with his memory. They are both in their own way bringing up and encouraging him to talk about the past. I think Part 3 will show the conversations between both women that reveal this.
 

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I've heard a lot of people talk about how its good that they're not jealous in the remake but instead friends and I think I am one of the few people who actually disagrees lol.
For one I don't think there is anything wrong with jealousy, it's a human emotion that's fine to explore so I don't mind it being there. But Aerith and Tifas friendship does come with baggage that I find particularly unpalpable.
I agree, it’s the same for me. This was my complaint of it not really being a love triangle because the story doesn’t really show Aerith or Tifa acknowledging each others feelings for Cloud. Which makes no sense to me because Yuffie is aware of Tifa’s feelings, and even teases Cloud as well.

I don’t really blame it on Aerith, I think its a weak spot in the story that I choose to ignore…
 

Ryeleigh

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I'm sure CAs aren't allowed to HC Cloud being jealous when talking to Aerith in Chapter 8 GS either, I mean how dare they even suggest such a thing.
I kind of wanted to comment on this because you are allowed to headcanon whatever you want? It's not as if anyone can realistically stop you? But there's a difference between canon, headcanon and fanon. The 'debate' of the debate thread kind of implies that this particular thread is for canon and not headcanons, lol. Which doesn't mean that people can't bring them up but in this particular thread they would be challenged?

Also, I have a genuine question, mostly for CA shippers: do you see CA as a friendship that you think would be cute/tragic/romantic as something more, or do you see it strictly as romantic, and if it's friendship and not strictly romantic, would you find their relationship and what they went through together be entirely meaningless?

As I've said before, I've never shipped canon couples so I've never really developed a vested interest in any of my ships becoming/being canon. I just like the dynamic and want to play around with it in fanon. This doesn't mean that I think the dynamic is inherently romantic and, thoroughly contradictorily, I find platonic relationships more romantic because of that lack of underlying romantic/sexual feelings, lol.

So I guess I'm just curious what's the mindset?
 

Maidenofwar

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Quite a while back I said I don't do shipping unless it's canon, but it's since become more obvious that's not strictly true, I like art, fan videos, etc, I just like official content too even if fanservice, certainly far more than Squall Quistis, Tidus, Lulu/Rikku, etc.

EDIT- I think if they wanted to show a tale of friends, they could have avoided the LT entirely, not presented Aerith as an option whatsoever, really make Aerith a long lost sibling, half sister or something, etc. I would say a lot of CAs aren't playing to be told psyche gotcha it's friends isn't that great lol, I imagine the reaction is something like the Bugs Bunny meme with "No", like just don't bait in the first place.
 
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Rin

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I agree, it’s the same for me. This was my complaint of it not really being a love triangle because the story doesn’t really show Aerith or Tifa acknowledging each others feelings for Cloud. Which makes no sense to me because Yuffie is aware of Tifa’s feelings, and even teases Cloud as well.

I don’t really blame it on Aerith, I think its a weak spot in the story that I choose to ignore…
This is also why I don't really consider it a love triangle either. I think that Remake had more of the love triangle aspect and by Rebirth it's gone. The only time we see anything like it is in Kalm and Junon, then it fizzles out, and for the most part it's Aerith who is jealous whenever she brings Cloud/Tifa's relationship up. Tifa isn't threatened by Aerith's relationship with Cloud that alone says a lot, in my opinion, because it means she's rather secure in where she stands with him--which is a good thing.

I also think AerTi have talked too much about everything for Tifa to feel any kind of way about Aerith trying to figure out her feelings for Cloud. I just wish we got to see those conversations, so I'm hoping part 3 will give us some flashbacks or Nojima will write another short story that fills in the blanks there or something.
 

Maidenofwar

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Something else I wanted to say for those who don't plan on immediately buying the game if things don't go their way, either side, that's ok, you don't have to do anything you don't want to, well I think there are CAs, ZAs, etc that haven't played Re-trilogy, lots of reasons for it I guess. Digital edition special editions are a lot of money these days.
 

Sacky

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Quite a while back I said I don't do shipping unless it's canon, but it's since become more obvious that's not strictly true, I like art, fan videos, etc, I just like official content too even if fanservice, certainly far more than Squall Quistis, Tidus, Lulu/Rikku, etc.

EDIT- I think if they wanted to show a tale of friends, they could have avoided the LT entirely, not presented Aerith as an option whatsoever, really make Aerith a long lost sibling, half sister or something, etc. I would say a lot of CAs aren't playing to be told psyche gotcha it's friends isn't that great lol, I imagine the reaction is something like the Bugs Bunny meme with "No", like just don't bait in the first place.
I do agree with this. I think they may have kept some things to faithful to OG and could have toned down the choices that don't mean anything in the long term.
 

Ryeleigh

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I think if they wanted to show a tale of friends, they could have avoided the LT entirely, not presented Aerith as an option whatsoever
With this do you mean that Aerith shouldn't have had a resolution in Remake or GS date in Rebirth? Because if you do, I find that a bit unfair because even Barret got a resolution in Remake and everybody got a date in Rebirth, which I thought was honestly great, lol. Universe gimme Zack/Cloud date please. I don't even care if it's 100% nonsense fan service, lol.

Something else I wanted to say for those who don't plan on immediately buying the game if things don't go their way, either side, that's ok, you don't have to do anything you don't want to, well I think there are CAs, ZAs, etc that haven't played Re-trilogy, lots of reasons for it I guess.
That's true. No one is obliged to buy anything they won't enjoy, lol. Which is why I think that CTs shouldn't have been ridiculed and shamed for cancelling their pre-orders either.
 

Sacky

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With this do you mean that Aerith shouldn't have had a resolution in Remake or GS date in Rebirth? Because if you do, I find that a bit unfair because even Barret got a resolution in Remake and everybody got a date in Rebirth, which I thought was honestly great, lol. Universe gimme Zack/Cloud date please. I don't even care if it's 100% nonsense fan service, lol.


That's true. No one is obliged to buy anything they won't enjoy, lol. Which is why I think that CTs shouldn't have been ridiculed and shamed for cancelling their pre-orders either.
This is true part 3 is gonna be divisive in so many ways. For some reason the Devs have done this. I just do not want ambiguous interpretation crap especially after waiting for 3 games
 

Rin

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EDIT- I think if they wanted to show a tale of friends, they could have avoided the LT entirely, not presented Aerith as an option whatsoever, really make Aerith a long lost sibling, half sister or something, etc. I would say a lot of CAs aren't playing to be told psyche gotcha it's friends isn't that great lol, I imagine the reaction is something like the Bugs Bunny meme with "No", like just don't bait in the first place.
But I would argue that it's not really bait. Like, I agree with you in the sense that we should've just dropped the love triangle as a whole, but I'd also argue that in a way they did. Aerith and Cloud have a romantic subplot, yes, but that romantic subplot comes with a lot of nuance.

Aerith's initial attraction to Cloud stems from his relation to Zack. The way he walks, the way he talks, etc. From the beginning, she's trying to get close to him to figure out where Zack is which is why she keeps asking him if he had any war buddy friends and is really disappointed in Gongaga when Cloud still shows no signs of knowing who Zack is. Now, Aerith isn't stupid and she knows something weird is going on and that Cloud isn't himself. She's seeing glimpses of his true self and is curious. She wants to get to know that Cloud and move on from feeling "stuck" in love with Zack.

For Cloud, Aerith is a pretty girl who more or less feeds his SOLDIER ego because she's dainty, frail, and looks to him for protection. He likes this because he's able to lean into being "cool" and living out that dream of becoming "the best of the best." But this dream is also deeply tied to becoming "a special existence for Tifa" as stated in his short story. So, he's got one girl who likes his SOLDIER persona (Aerith) and another girl who doesn't (Tifa). This is what allows Aerith to see past the persona and become curious about the real Cloud, but the real Cloud is in love with Tifa.

Ultimately, Aerith never gets to truly meet the real Cloud despite seeing glimpses of him. In the dream date, she comes to the conclusion that she is unsure of what kind of "like" she has for Cloud. On the flip side, Cloud never says he likes Aerith back or states that his feelings for her are romantic in nature at all but a one-sided romantic subplot is still a romantic subplot, after all.

At the end of the day, Clerith's romantic subplot exists to explore one part of Aerith's personal "acceptance" journey and to introduce Zerith angst before their reunion. Now, is it well executed or written? I'd personally argue that it's not, but I don't think it's there to bait you. It has a narrative purpose but that purpose isn't meant to showcase that Cloud and Aerith are in love.
 
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Stiggie

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With this do you mean that Aerith shouldn't have had a resolution in Remake or GS date in Rebirth? Because if you do, I find that a bit unfair because even Barret got a resolution in Remake and everybody got a date in Rebirth, which I thought was honestly great, lol. Universe gimme Zack/Cloud date please. I don't even care if it's 100% nonsense fan service, lol.


That's true. No one is obliged to buy anything they won't enjoy, lol. Which is why I think that CTs shouldn't have been ridiculed and shamed for cancelling their pre-orders either.
I bought the first class edition for remake, went down to digital deluxe for Rebirth because I HATED the ending of remake and the whisper nonsense. I think the ending to rebirth is similarly horrendous but I'm kinda too invested now to quit lol. And I do want to experience it without spoilers so I can't wait till a good deal either
 

Maidenofwar

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I mean Aerith's scenes could have been more of the how are you and Tifa getting a long wink wink nudge nudge and more like Yuffie's with funny/sibling/ family bond instead of them saying Aerith is one example of romantic date and Yuffie is your family/funny one, or finding out they really are siblings or something, idk I'm just spit balling. Like it was a choice to say there are some romance ones in dev comment, etc , and to present one of those as Aerith for romance then highlight Yuffie for family.

Edit; Oops, ninjad.
 

Ryeleigh

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So, he's got one girl who likes his SOLDIER persona (Aerith) and another girl who doesn't (Tifa).
You know, I think it was after the Johnny thing in the scrapyard when Tifa says, "Cloud your eyes" and Cloud goes all, "It's the mako~ all SOLDIER have them~". And Tifa gives this sigh and says something, "Right. SOLDIER." Which I took as that she likes Cloud but then she gets reminded all over again that he's SOLDIER now.

I mean Aerith's scenes could have been more of the how are you and Tifa getting a long wink wink nudge nudge
Well, I'd say there was a bit of that in Remake, though? Like when Cloud has his episode of baby Tifa and Aerith's all, "Tifa? Girlfriend? But she is someone special?" And then there was that smile at the flower in Tifa's bar. Even in Rebirth, she tells Cloud to cherish his bond with Tifa on the Kalm clock tower.

instead of them saying Aerith is one example of romantic date and Yuffie is your family/funny one, or finding out they really are siblings or something, idk I'm just spit balling. Like it was a choice to say there are some romance ones in dev comment, etc , and to present one of those as Aerith for romance then highlight Yuffie for family.
I do remember what page you're talking about but I don't really remember the page itself anymore, lol. So I can't really comment on it.
 

Rin

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You know, I think it was after the Johnny thing in the scrapyard when Tifa says, "Cloud your eyes" and Cloud goes all, "It's the mako~ all SOLDIER have them~". And Tifa gives this sigh and says something, "Right. SOLDIER." Which I took as that she likes Cloud but then she gets reminded all over again that he's SOLDIER now.
Yup and that scene is an exact juxtaposition to Aerith who leans in to look at his eyes bc they're pretty. Again, highlighting that Tifa doesn't like SOLDIER Cloud while Aerith does. The latter is great for Clouds ego but not great for building a sustainable romantic relationship. Not to mention, there's no guarantee that Aerith would be romantically attracted to the real Cloud anyways and there's the pesky issue that real Cloud only has eyes for Tifa.

This is why Aerith's "You can't fall in love with me and even if you think you have, it's not real" line is very important for both characters. IF Cloud has fallen in love with her (which seems not to be the case anyway), his feelings are coming from his fake persona as the real him is in love with someone else. IF Aerith has fallen in love with Cloud (which also seems not to be the case as she's unsure of how she feels about him by the end of Rebirth), her feelings are for a version of him that doesn't actually exist and is partially based on the man she's still deeply in love with.

The narrative is pretty clear on where Cloud and Aerith stand, which is exactly why Aerith says she knows where they stand now at the end of the dream date. If anything, I find the writing kind of insulting because I feel like they're holding my hand and being like "See? Cloud and Aerith are just two confused people who are both in love with someone else!" And I'm like "YEAH, I KNOW." But .... given the fact that the LTD remains, I guess I understand why they did it that way--not that it seems to have changed anything at all.
 

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If anything, I find the writing kind of insulting because I feel like they're holding my hand and being like "See? Cloud and Aerith are just two confused people who are both in love with someone else!" And I'm like "YEAH, I KNOW." But .... given the fact that the LTD remains, I guess I understand why they did it that way--not that it seems to have changed anything at all.
I can't say I'm exactly fond of writing to the "lowest common determinator" either but I guess the devs felt it was necessary, lol. (Someone should've told them it would be useless anyway, lmao.)

Again, highlighting that Tifa doesn't like SOLDIER Cloud while Aerith does.
Also, to add: when Cloud gets back to his room after the mission with Jessie, they talk about the promise and he tells Tifa that an old friend of his has gotten in trouble and he promised to be there for her. And Tifa gets all giggly and says she's glad he's back. It's as if she realised at that moment that her Cloud is still in there, you know?
 

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Unless it's something like this (which the one in the CA date is demonstrably not), then no, hard disagree that sitting apart is a romantic trope.
Edit: A little late to that party, but I just caught up haha

Aaw Tim and Colette, lol. I played that too, haha.

Anyway you can see why sitting at a distance doesn't bother me, especially giving the Ultimanias say they have a thing of being at a distance then getting closer.
Worth noting is that there's another scene in FF7 (OG only thus far) with the exact same staging and almost the exact same dialogue.
The morning after the Highwind Scene.

Tifa: Give me a little longer... Just a little bit longer...
Tifa: This day will never come again... So let me have this moment...

IMHO they could have avoided this by having Tifa and Red handle the Gongaga stuff rather than Cloud bringing up romance and Aerith being like wow you really went there and all that boy you like is a dead loser, if they wanted the party concerned about Aerith, much better ways of handling it.
As has been addressed, for various reasons you need Cloud to be the one to say it there because it shows he does not remember or care about Zack at this moment and feeds into his later memory of Zack and feeling terrible about what he said before, but also into the girls discussing Cloud (and Zack) in private at various times during the game. This moment exists as a love triangle neutral moment, a blank slate to be filled in with assumption now, and then realization later.
 

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Yeah, I think so to...BUT, that's my interpreting that line. They could have been concrete about it.
English speakers are weird. They need so much confirmation when it's all there lol. I'm gonna say it because Nomura says that if we look at the story then the player might feel he has no choice but Tifa. Which means the fact that there is no branching path equals to it being Tifa being the true love interest.

Also at some point we have so many confirmations through the various Ultis AND even the devs talking about the under the HW scene that you'd think all of that would have settled this LTD for once and al.
Imagine being Tifa, having all these heart to hearts with Aerith, helping her with her pain over Zack, talking about boys, you have a date at the GS with Cloud, you then almost kiss him in Gongaga, Aerith is all supportive telling you it'll be alright, you go back to the GS, you kiss Cloud. And then suddenly when no one is watching Aerith uses her ancient powers to go on a dream date with Cloud and following Clerith interpretations confess her feelings to him......I can say it in no other way than FUCK this woman. Right now I can still find some reasons to give Aerith the benefit of the doubt, mostly the fact that I think Aerith is desperately projecting her feelings for Zack onto Cloud even during the dream date, and is only doing it because she knows this is the end and she wants closure. Aka, she is in no way trying to get between Cloud and Tifa here, she knows that there is no outcome to this date that would result in Tifa being hurt since even IF they both had feelings for each other, that date would still be the end of it and Cloud would go on to Tifa.
I think this is exactly why some CTs really dislike Aerith.

Personally I think they took out Tifa's jealousy because there was no reason anymore, since they developped the CT relationship this much in Rebirth. Like Cloud keeps showing her he is very much into her, so she needn't to worry.

As for Aerith, the fact that she knows no social cues is probably why she keeps taking Cloud to "dates", that's the only reason I can think of; after all she's been sheltered and had no friend up until well, Zack and later on the whole gang. So to her it's a discovery and she caught feelings on the way.
EDIT- I think if they wanted to show a tale of friends, they could have avoided the LT entirely, not presented Aerith as an option whatsoever, really make Aerith a long lost sibling, half sister or something, etc. I would say a lot of CAs aren't playing to be told psyche gotcha it's friends isn't that great lol, I imagine the reaction is something like the Bugs Bunny meme with "No", like just don't bait in the first place.
Aerith in the OG falls for Cloud, so it was always going to be present since the Remake trilogy is a reimagining of the OG.

But then again Welonz completely missed the subtext that Aerith was into Cloud until the dream date (she had Yuffie for the GS date), while also doing all the sidequests. Which leads very much into the "we are looking at this knowing that Aerith falls for Cloud, so we search for clues, but if new players aren't able to tell that Aerith is into Cloud, maybe Cloud himself isn't able to tell Aerith is into him either".

As I see it personally, CA serves Aerith's character, but Cloud's character suffers from it, generally speaking. It does not make him look good if you think he fell in love with a girl in 18 days and that erased his deep love for Tifa that grew over the years. This is why I'll be personally out if this ever happens, because I refuse to see Tifa being trampled on like this. Aerith already has a grand love story, it would be pretty unfair to get a second one, take from Tifa's role and get away with it, especially considering ACC, to our knowledge, still happens. As I often say, if the goal was to have CA as a the canon ending, they wouldn't need a Tifa to remain by the hero's side until the end.

But Aerith's character is probably an exploration of the "death" theme; I have already noted it in Remake, but she sees (and isn't afraid of) ghosts, she can't move on from Zack (and goes out of her way to save him IMHO), she is alluded to die. So in Rebirth she has to try again to move on from Zack (and doesn't fully move on either), her ancestors are all dead, and she dies herself. If in Remake and Rebirth she connected to Cloud through Zack, in p3 she will reconnect to Zack through Cloud I think. And that's why we also see her feelings, even if they bring confusion to her and sadness. One-sided feelings often bring a lot of depth to characters and I think that's what's happening to Aerith there. So not everything is in vain.
You know, I think it was after the Johnny thing in the scrapyard when Tifa says, "Cloud your eyes" and Cloud goes all, "It's the mako~ all SOLDIER have them~". And Tifa gives this sigh and says something, "Right. SOLDIER." Which I took as that she likes Cloud but then she gets reminded all over again that he's SOLDIER now.
Rather than that, I think Tifa was pointing out at the coldness in his eyes (that scares her), and Cloud misinterpreted and thought she was talking about their colour. IIRC that's hinted at in French and JP.
 

Ryeleigh

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But then again Welonz completely missed the subtext that Aerith was into Cloud until the dream date (she had Yuffie for the GS date), while also doing all the sidequests. Which leads very much into the "we are looking at this knowing that Aerith falls for Cloud, so we search for clues, but if new players aren't able to tell that Aerith is into Cloud, maybe Cloud himself isn't able to tell Aerith is into him either".
And shippers generally view everything through a romantic/sexual lens so if you already like CA for whatever reason (OG, KH, visuals, etc) then you're already kind of primed to view everything about them romantically. Which is why I was curious what's the most common starting point of interpretation for CAs, lol.

Rather than that, I think Tifa was pointing out at the coldness in his eyes (that scares her), and Cloud misinterpreted and thought she was talking about their colour. IIRC that's hinted at in French and JP.
Oh no, I know that. I meant her sigh and "Right. SOLDIER" after the eye comments. As if she's saying, "Right. You're a SOLDIER now." Edit: It's like, Tifa likes Cloud but she'd like to forget he's SOLDIER, lol.
 
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