I literally just asked it right now bc I was curious and the first time it said this:
There’s a reason this all can’t be solved with logic lol
Set up two chat bots to discuss this and let the rest of us bow out, I say.
I think it was fair to call it a love triangle in OG, though even in OG I think it's stretching it a bit considering Aerith dies and the Lifestream scene and under the Highwind happens. But I guess that depends on whether the debate was about "who had feelings for who" or "who is endgame".
It's actually two overlapping triangles of different types. First is a Bases to Point triangle, where there are two entities who canonically show interest in a third who can be decided, undecided, interested in both, disinterested in both, or even unaware the triangle is happening. That's the girls towards Cloud.
Yeah, I'll take that in addition to the time travel.
Not quite the same. There's not the same staying power? I mean, the saying BS with no basis in fact and then cutting and running is the same, they just usually stuck around a bit longer.
Ah, I get your point but I still feel it would be easier to just call it square even though it's incorrect. XD
Not an exact equivalent but iirc, Kare Kano resolved its love triangle with "oh, his feelings for him were actually for the couple's unborn child all along". Which... was a thing.
Am I crazy or does this make no sense whatsoever?
It happened in Twilight too and yeah, I don't get it?
Something I actually feel was kinda mean to Cleriths was that Cloud opens up to Tifa first instead of being a bit of an ass with her like in the OG. No longer does Cloud demand money and have to be reminded of the promise. He also agrees to go on a date with Tifa, a much more established one than the one Cloud agrees to with Aerith (who might not even know what she agreed to) since Tifa even asks Cloud what she should wear, and none of the suggestions you have are casual 'just hanging out' outfits iirc.
I don’t really think the devs think in terms of shipping, but instead in terms of characters, their respective arcs, how those arcs intersect and bolster each other, and how to lovingly display these characters at their best and lowest points.
Nope. Cloud acts nice to Tifa no matter what, while you're allowed to call Aerith the slum drunk when you wake up in her church.
Something else that struck me about that conversation @ Cissnei's after the reactor. I might be wrong but during my Hardmode replay it struck me that it's by far one of the longest speaking parts Cloud has in the game. I'm not the person to sit there and dissect screen time etc.. but the whole conversation just struck me as completely different tonally and with how much actual talking he does.
You can hear the anxiety in his voice about it. I think it’s something that’s been eating at him since early in Remake.
That's honestly the best scene in the game for me.
And so much of my love for this scene can be attributed to this line. The delivery...Cody, you know what you're doing. It's so soft and innocent compared to his usual grumpiness.
Well, of course. Obviously, I highly doubt Nojima, Nomura, Kitase etc. got together to plot against Cleriths specifically.
I swear he like shouts at her that he won't do another job without being paid and then Tifa has to remind him of the promise to convince him to stick around for the next bombing mission, no? That feels pretty rude to me. Once he remembers the promise, he mellows out of course.
I mean it is, in JP it matches exactly when he looks at Tifa when he repeats "those you love" and there's only Tifa and Sephiroth in the scene: Sephiroth in Kalm says "those you hate, those you love" in that order but in Gongaga Cloud switches them so it'd match Tifa when he says "those you love". So it's veryyyy intentional yeah.
Yeah, but that's what makes it so nice, I much prefer AI to people it seems, AI has no ego, it admits when it's wrong. When I gave an argument to ChatGPT it didn't call me a filthy Cloti simp, it complimented my argument and noted how it fit in well with other aspects of the analysis. It was like how I always dream debates go.
When I asked it after I was done debating it it did say it changed its mind lol so who knows XD
Two triangles make a square lol. The point is that this is a debate concerning 4 points. We may as well say that Cloud/Aerith/Tifa isn't a triangle since there is no line between Aerith and Tifa.
Tbf, he can communicate in AC as well when he wants to, a bit. He talks to Vincent, he talks to Aerith, and during the dilly dally shilly shally scene he does open up to Tifa.
Thing is, it's wrong to compare the first scene with Tifa with the first scene with Aerith. Not only because of Tifas relationship to Fake Cloud and how he might be faking harder with her. But also because it simply happens earlier in the story, even there he arguably mellowed out a bit by the time you fall into the church.