SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke
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Cloud has comforted his friends all throughout Rebirth at multiple times though? Like… that’s kinda the point of his character growth at this point? As well as his psychotic episodes growing in frequency and intensity?
Yoru
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Yoru
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Perfect example of why I'm so "mad" at Nomura and his emo Cloud bullshit "because that's how people remember him."
He did so much damage to people's perception of this character (and I don't say that lightly. We're probably talking about my favorite designer and game creator)
No Cloud is not insensitive. It's literally just the opposite.
He did so much damage to people's perception of this character (and I don't say that lightly. We're probably talking about my favorite designer and game creator)
No Cloud is not insensitive. It's literally just the opposite.
Sacky
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I need Part 3 and i need people to see how Cloud is actually like and not this brooding Heartless person they think he is.
Though Rebirth showed a lot of moments in this game so how they have come to this conclusion is Wild, though i bet if
i mention a certain character i can figure it out.
Sacky
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he watched the scene 20 times and said don't patronize him OH im gonna XD
Yoru
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Being nice to Wedge who got his ass bitten all right, but I draw the line at being nice to people in mourning.
It’s the best combination of being sensitive and compassionate but clearly unpracticed at comforting others that actually makes it endearing. Even if it’s a clumsy attempt, his intentions are on his sleeve.
nars305
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Then he had his eyes closed.
I just can’t get over “WHY WOULD HE COMFORT HIS FRIENDS?”
There was even a whole arc about Cloud learning to comfort in Remake. Which he continues to be able to do as he comforts Tifa in Nibelheim when she nearly has a panic attack thinking of her dad.
I’m both looking forward to getting real Cloud fully voiced and mocapped for part 3, and dreading the reaction from people who legitimately didn’t know that Cloud isn’t an emo anime sword boy fr
Take a drink every time you see him called derogatory term and another example of “ruined male role models in games”
Yoru
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This is one of the weirdest things I never seen mentioned. In the "timeline" where Aerith is supposedly not stabbed....why does she still act as though something serious happened to her? Why doesn't she barrel roll out of the way and and attack Sephiroth? She's not groggy from some deep sleep or anything, she's just sitting there, she should be able to just react like a regular human being would when attacked, by going into a fight or flight response.
Instead she sits there for 5 hours while Cloud is holding off a descending blade, and then lies on the floor like she just had a god damn heart attack or something.
Please don't push my Rem button, I am still not over this.
I do feel some sympathy for this argument, because I can sort of see the narrative potential there is for the developers to go "you know what, everyone knows that Cloud is insane and an unreliable narrator. So lets put the audience in the shoes of the party and subvert this. Take advantage of the players assuming he's insane to pull one over on them." So I could see them making Cloud insane but still right about this one thing.
That's having been said, highly doubt it.
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Ryushikaze
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I know. Just providing some additional commentary.I guess i wasn't clear enough but that reply was meant to be towards whoever told you that, not you.
Same with the Ever Crisis character story where we get his interior thoughts about being strong for Tifa being the proof and purpose of his existence.
Cloud can both be insane and forgetting Aerith died and also be talking to Aerith's force ghost. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Aurenare
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I haven't played Rebirth yet (waiting for it to be on Steam, as my only gaming system is the Steam Deck), so I don't know how far off the current lore this question is but...
What if summoning Holy requires taking the life of the summoner?
It wouldn't matter then if Cloud stops Sephiroth's sword or not. Aerith would die anyway, because she would have to give up her life to summon Holy.
Type-0 does this with its summons. The bigger ones requiring the lives of many people to be summoned. An hell if it wasn't gut punching to watch it happen.
Like I said, just throwing an idea out there.
ViolaaFox
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"Never seen him so happy." Ngl that scene made me feel so sick. The entire atmosphere was so oppressive.
My new favourite redflag are the people who say that Cloud is perfectly fine in the end and it's the group that doesn't see what's going on. Madness at it's purest.
I don't know what you all have. Cloud just has a really bad migraine, someone should give him some aspirin.
Empyrea
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I won't xP
But that won't stop me from judging them with extreme prejudice.
That would be quite the change, because in OG, Aerith successfully prayed for Holy before she died. It was part of her tragedy -- her death wasn't necessary (at least in terms of summoning Holy).
I just had a convo with a friend (my partner, actually) who only watched AC (never played OG, though, or even know the entire story), and he said Cloud in the movie is just "him as usual."
AC needs a rewrite so bad...
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Yoru
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This is why I don’t buy the whole « she’s alive somewhere, he created a new reality »
No. She’s dead. And Tifa’s POV is just to show us that the team is seeing all the blood while Cloud can’t. Because he doesn’t want to.
What he did was creating a world in his head. At best.
ViolaaFox
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Yes, but that raises the question for many whether it's a remake or a sequel. Even if Rebirth in particular makes the R trilogy look like an extended remake. For many, that's somehow not enough.This is why I don’t buy the whole « she’s alive somewhere, he created a new reality »
No. She’s dead. And Tifa’s POV is just to show us that the team is seeing all the blood while Cloud can’t. Because he doesn’t want to.
What he did was creating a world in his head. At best.
Yoru
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The developers always said that the story wouldn't deviate too much. A dead character suddenly being alive is the pinnacle of story modification. I think it's just that simple.
That's why Zack is still dead wherever he is. And that's why Aerith will be too.
ViolaaFox
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Despite all the interviews, parts of the community still think the devs are lying. It's a huge joke. Of course things are kept vague, but on the whole, facts were spoken in the interviews. It is also important to note that the remake trilogy is also aimed at a new generation of gamers who have not played OG and therefore the story is new to them.
What I'm trying to say is that from a marketing point of view it wouldn't be very smart to really take everything up front and lose the new community.
MissMDusk
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I've wondered why people think she's alive when they literally go to the body of water (or is it a lake? Pool?) they lay her to rest in, meaning her body is now underwater. She hasn't got a body to return to.
If her spirit, in another reality, were to exist and somehow try to come back, I hope she took some swimming lessons and someone warned her to hold her breath.
I'm not sure if anyone answered this and sorry if it's a silly question, but did anyone have a clue as to how Nanaki felt Aerith in that end scene? I simply thought like how Aerith felt Zack, Nanaki felt Aerith in the LS, but I realised Zack was touching the unconscious Aerith in the LS so now I'm not completely sure.
If her spirit, in another reality, were to exist and somehow try to come back, I hope she took some swimming lessons and someone warned her to hold her breath.
I'm not sure if anyone answered this and sorry if it's a silly question, but did anyone have a clue as to how Nanaki felt Aerith in that end scene? I simply thought like how Aerith felt Zack, Nanaki felt Aerith in the LS, but I realised Zack was touching the unconscious Aerith in the LS so now I'm not completely sure.
Yoru
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He's a different species from humans. A species very close to the planet and the Cetras way. We see his father speaking "telepathically".
I think it's pretty clear that they have different sensibilities and so it's not abnormal that he can feel Aerith's presence from the Lifestream.
Just a reminder that Aerith could listen to dead poeple when she was a child. Proof that people close to the planet can have this sort of interaction.
Eerie
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The fact that some people absolutely don't understand that there's more to Zack learning about Aerith falling for Cloud is fascinating to me. Also what role in the LS lol.
Second fascinating thought is how CAs absolutely want Aerith to be the witness of how much Cloud yearns for Tifa. Absolutely hilarious. "I knew he liked her, but there's like and like damn".
And she talks about how the first one married and keeps rejecting the second one in game. Do people even play.
I agree with most of the video, and what's interesting to me is how he thinks there's only one Aerith in the Lifestream - it matches my own guess - and that she indeed was murdered by Sephiroth. I kept thinking about it, since there's no time and space per se in the Lifestream, and how it could work since well, the release I guess, and I've been thinking how it allows Aerith to "survive" Sephiroth. Of course there is a downside to this because plothole, if there's no time and space then this Aerith comes from the future and gets murdered. Which means that when our Aerith will reach the same point, then she'll get murdered too? Unless her fate has indeed changed and this was true!Aerith's plan all along (Sephiroth probably was referring to this). We can guess that reuniting with Zack before AC/C could change a lot of things, but it also means probably that our Aerith is indeed ACC!Aerith, while maybe true!Aerith we saw before she got stabbed was OG/COLW!Aerith. Maybe the dream date was even COLW!Aerith's answer as to how to meet Cloud and tell him what she wanted to tell him.
Someone tells this guy he missed the Weapons trying to protect Cloud's memories from the LS though, and Nibelheim looking quite different from what it was in game (maybe it doesn't matter though, must be another team working on it so could be different just because).