SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

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overheat28 said:
Haha, I was just reading it. The seethe is real over on hardcore CA side, hive has been overturned. Brilliant thread and analysis, though.
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i don't understand why they are so angry some of those tweets are disgusting. Its rich coming from people saying wow too long while tweeting 100 times a day saying omg im crying ahekrkkfgksfkaf
 
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Sacky said:
i don't understand why they are so angry some of those tweets are disgusting. Its rich coming from people saying wow too long while tweeting 100 times a day saying omg im crying ahekrkkfgksfkaf
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I feel they are angry because It directly addresses some of their most dearly held arguments about the church scene. No, Aerith's "confession" was not an outright declaration of love, she was confused and said as much. Cloud was not, in fact, acting like a gormless anime protagonist while the girl was trying to confess, he knew perfectly well what was going on and he deflected. Showing Zack sitting at the church right after she said "our place/place of memories" was intentional. LA version appears to match more close with events in a shot by shot comparison etc.

Their main argument appears to be that in whatever scene Aerith appears confused, sad or uncomfortable - it's because she knows Sephiroth is coming. Well yes, that's part of it for sure, but you have to ask why this sequence was framed as a date in the first place if it wasn't about her feelings.

A lot of "you don't mention Sephiroth, but have the nerve to mention Zack, who she already rejected" energy coming from them. It's funny.
 
nars305

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I can’t help but feel like the dream date is pretty easy to understand. As soon as I heard “there’s liking, and then there’s liking” I immediately understood what was being conveyed. Apply the rest of the context and it’s really all there that Aerith is confused about her feelings for Cloud, still has feelings for Zack, and Cloud does not have the same feelings as Aerith because he’s already in love with someone else.

It just drives me nuts because it’s very blatant to me. Like if Cloud and Tifa had this conversation I’d be like oh…
 
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nars305 said:
I can’t help but feel like the dream date is pretty easy to understand. As soon as I heard “there’s liking, and then there’s liking” I immediately understood what was being conveyed. Apply the rest of the context and it’s really all there that Aerith is confused about her feelings for Cloud, still has feelings for Zack, and Cloud does not have the same feelings as Aerith because he’s already in love with someone else.

It just drives me nuts because it’s very blatant to me. Like if Cloud and Tifa had this conversation I’d be like oh…
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I hope they never confess to anyone, because we need to call the police immediately for attempted molestation. We don't have the same notion of reciprocity.
 
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Yoru said:
I hope they never confess to anyone, because we need to call the police immediately for attempted molestation. We don't have the same notion of reciprocity.
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It’s really interesting honestly. I feel like I’ve said it a million times…I understand interpretation, I really do. But come on now, the way Aerith phrases her confession is not the first time it has been used. “I like you like you” is a playground confession. She couldn’t say that!

The relationship they have is special. But I can’t even say anymore that’s it’s a “what could have been” type of romance because TIFA and all the development they put in that. Also…ZACK and the development they put in that. There is no what could have been.

Maybe I just need to accept it as different interpretations, or just mind my own business. FF7 is a cool story, it’s great in the way it’s told, but it is not a story that is hard to understand.
 
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They have to get it into their heads that all the scenes are built from a bare-bones version. In other words, the LA or HA scene must indicate the same basic message. The game must take each player into account, and keep a coherent overall version so that everyone has the same experience.

LA = HA. It's as simple as that. It's the same thing, but more intimate.

And the basic message is clear. Her feelings are too uncertain and Cloud is in deflection mode.
 
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Bro, they're spending millions to animate this pretty face. In any given situation.

Shady's thread is full of close-up. It's not complicated to see something is wrong about this "confession"
 
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Bro, they're spending millions to animate this pretty face. In any given situation.

Shady's thread is full of close-up. It's not complicated to see something is wrong about this "confession"
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Cloud is no stranger to being hit on and pursued, but he handles those pretty harshly because he usually doesn’t care about the other person, but here you see him handle it when he DOES care about that person, just in a different way.

Tifa wouldn’t get this cagey reaction. That’s the face of a guy who knows it’s a “no” but doesn’t want to hurt her feelings.
 
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i accidentally got into a twitter war, by explaining, "have we lost to our memories"
and it spiralled into every clerith take possible from every major clerith now its on to important woman vs koibito
these arguments from 2007 popping up now is mad XD
x.com if you want to read this long thread of pain here you go XD
 
abzy1200

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Sacky said:
anyone wana check the japanese on this XD
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I wouldn't bother, Sacky. I took that person up on that exact thing a couple of days ago.

Basically, they're just omitting any and all context in favour of construing a quote that says a man and woman belong together in a platonic way. There is absolutely NOTHING platonic about this quote.

That's something else that annoys me about the LTD, people love to ask Japanese people what a quote "means" (the wording and what it implies), but they're:

1: Omitting context from an extremely context heavy language
2: Isolating words from the sentence.

What really annoys me is 2, because you can do the exact same thing in English. Let's take this quote for example:
"Inside, I felt one thing was sure, Cloud and Tifa would be together, everybody would be back home where they belonged"
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If you isolate every word in this sentence, and then ask an english speaker what they mean isolated like that, yeah of course they mean nothing and aren't inherently romantic. There's no "love" mentioned, but if we add context and treat the sentence as a whole and not a bunch of parts then the meaning is very obvious and clear.

And that's why this annoys me so much!
 
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Ryeleigh said:
I finished reading it today, lol.

To be fair, the manga started with an environmental message, had some of it in the middle, and at the end while being a pretty basic battle manga with some horror and gore. Maybe the battles were better animated, I don't know.

But I thought the similarities with FF7 were interesting, especially since Parasyte is apparently pretty popular and it was published before FF7.
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Yeah, I also ever mentioned two mangas released before 1997 that is similar a bit with FF7.
One is X by CLAMP, though it'd be extremely similar only if FF7's character chart was still the same as the early stage (Cetra named Tifa who is also the hero's childhood friends and the villain's sibling). One is a soccer manga titled SHOOT! by Tsukasa Oshima, I write a long article about it on my blog

Funny that I forget about Parasyte, but I blame the live action movies since Kana's character doesn't exist there and the essence of the story still work, different from Aerith's role.
 
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abzy1200 said:
I wouldn't bother, Sacky. I took that person up on that exact thing a couple of days ago.

Basically, they're just omitting any and all context in favour of construing a quote that says a man and woman belong together in a platonic way. There is absolutely NOTHING platonic about this quote.

That's something else that annoys me about the LTD, people love to ask Japanese people what a quote "means" (the wording and what it implies), but they're:

1: Omitting context from an extremely context heavy language
2: Isolating words from the sentence.

What really annoys me is 2, because you can do the exact same thing in English. Let's take this quote for example:

If you isolate every word in this sentence, and then ask an english speaker what they mean isolated like that, yeah of course they mean nothing and aren't inherently romantic. There's no "love" mentioned, but if we add context and treat the sentence as a whole and not a bunch of parts then the meaning is very obvious and clear.

And that's why this annoys me so much!
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Then there are also the people who go and take an action like holding hands and then search like all the different cultures where it might have a romantic meaning. And even if they have found a culture where it can possibly be interpreted in this way, it is often still very much out of context, because most of them are still 0 concerned with the general culture.
 
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ViolaaFox said:
Then there are also the people who go and take an action like holding hands and then search like all the different cultures where it might have a romantic meaning. And even if they have found a culture where it can possibly be interpreted in this way, it is often still very much out of context, because most of them are still 0 concerned with the general culture.
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It's still stupid

The Japanese don't make babies telepathically. They make love. They kiss. To claim that holding hands is more powerful than a kiss is pure copium and a very strong case of escaping reality.

You may find it cuter. 100%. But more meaningful? Not in this galaxy, baby.
 
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Yoru said:
It's still stupid

The Japanese don't make babies telepathically. They make love. They kiss. To claim that holding hands is more powerful than a kiss is pure copium and a very strong case of escaping reality.

You may find it cuter. 100%. But more meaningful? Not in this galaxy, baby.
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Yeah and as far as I remember it's pretty much the same people who were so sure that their ship gets a kiss. But since it didn't happen they either say Cloud kissing Tifa was just cope or that holding hands is more powerful than a kiss.
 
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