SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Ryushikaze]

Well, it’s not just Zack in his head, we know that, and if Jenova is ultimately marching to Sephiroth’s tune, perhaps Sephiroth had Jenova filter the memories of the Genesis conversation?

The Kalm flashback is an interesting oddity with this new approach, because you can see Cloud’s mind actively fight off memories/delusions of his mom ( anytime she speaks and you can’t see her face ) but stuff from CC is also missing that Zack would know.

Could it all be the version of the story SOLDIERCloud thinks is most digestible to Tifa? Dunno. The LS scene is going to be interesting when it’s time to tackle Nibelheim.

Speaking of Tifa, some of her memories of Cloud are used to create the Facade persona, along with those of Zack, and Cloud's own idea of an ideal SOLDIER type. I don't recall off the top of my head which Ulti dropped that information, but I seem to recall it was by a picture of the moment where Tifa finds him at the station.

 

[Eerie]

Speaking of Tifa, some of her memories of Cloud are used to create the Facade persona, along with those of Zack, and Cloud's own idea of an ideal SOLDIER type. I don't recall off the top of my head which Ulti dropped that information, but I seem to recall it was by a picture of the moment where Tifa finds him at the station.

It was the Ultimania Omega that dropped that special bit of info (or at least, it was said again there).

 

[pxl_pushr]

He’s such kitbashed personality, it’s no wonder Cloud’s so creepy when he’s under mind control, or when he almost reverts to someone way more childlike. Feels like you see layers of it peeled back.

 

[Ryushikaze]

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It was the Ultimania Omega that dropped that special bit of info (or at least, it was said again there).

I think it was another one, describing the various sources of his new personality. His memories, Hers, Zack's, and an ideal image of a SOLDIER were the components, IIRC.

 

[Shadowfox]

I think it was from here: LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

In the early parts of the story, Cloud was unconsciously playing out the persona of "ex-SOLDIER Cloud", contrary to his true character, due to the effects of the experiments he underwent 5 years previously. This persona was created from a mix of the memories of a SOLDIER named Zack, Cloud's close friend, and his own nature of wanting to avoid other people. Cloud was not originally the cool hero, but shy, lacking in self-confidence, and awkward around people.

 

[Ryushikaze]

That's definitely talking about the subject, thanks. There's tons of little notes Jenova's influence on the fake Persona all over the ultimanias, so it's possible I'm mixing up a few snippets without realizing it.

 

[Fakewings_]

what do u think about C& A firework date in EC? Seem like SE is raising the LTD again. C almost confesses his feeling when saying: ‘when i’m with you, you bring out a part of me that i didn’t know existed, IMO.

 

[Sacky]

what do u think about C& A firework date in EC? Seem like SE is raising the LTD again. C almost confesses his feeling when saying: ‘when i’m with you, you bring out a part of me that i didn’t know existed, IMO.

If they keep baiting the LTD they are just stoking a fire to then Reveal in part 3 the same ending as OG FF7 in which if they don't explicitly confirm one way or another no one is happy. So they can self sabotage if they want but people are tired at this point. If they fuck up part 3 no one is gonna care about what Square does after making people wait this long and baiting them for literal years. For them to then wonder why people are so angry. So keep baiting make no one happy then you just made a massive angry fan base.

 

[billy22]

C almost confesses his feeling when saying: ‘when i’m with you, you bring out a part of me that i didn’t know existed, IMO.

That's quite the leap in logic.

 

[Xombii]

It's a really sweet scene, with Aerith, but I'm not sure how you can jump to it being romantic. It could be, if it had the right context, but these firework scenes feel more like.... The GS dates reversed. With Tifa it's as if he wants to confess for sure, but instead of Tifa being too nervous about them being childhood friends, it's him that's too shy to say anything. With Aerith it's HIM that says there's a part of him he didn't know existed, instead of her suggesting he's not himself... I dunno, I feel like people really do stare too hard with shipping goggles to see what's in front of them.

Also to add. There was a Yuffie option, it was pretty cute too and yet nobody (I hope) Is taking up that fight. istg.

Edit again cause I'm more adhd than human. I don't think EC can do anything to state that actually Cloud just likes Tifa actually, because they haven't got to the lifestream yet and sorted out his pickled brain, they gotta keep it kind of subtle ya know. I hope they don't drag it out till Part 3 but on the same lines, they might. They could literally drag the EC story out till part 3 says the whole thing out loud.

 

[Eerie]

The illusion subtext is so strong in the CA date that I thought it was kind of obvious he was talking about his Zack/SOLDIER persona lol.

 

[pxl_pushr]

It’s a phrase that’s certainly a sweet thing to say to someone, so I’d hope CA fans would enjoy it. It’s typically used as a reason why someone may have feelings for the other person, but like most things concerning Cloud, his mental state should be considered.

I certainly don’t think he means that Aerith brings out the RealCloud. The phrase you’d want to see would be closer to “you make me feel like I can be me/myself/more myself.” Vs what’s said.

Imo it implies that she… well, brings out new sides to him. Himself or not, Cloud would’ve never guessed he’d be willing to crossdress for anything, or have an interest in fields and flowers ( botany in general? ), or photography ( even if that one makes so much sense it hurts ). Like any close relationship, be it friendly or romantic, they change you in little and not so little ways.

Through Aerith, Cloud learns how to treat others gently, and ultimately she teaches Cloud the power of compassion. This isn’t to say Tifa herself isn’t a shining example of compassion, but I’d say Aerith shows how even a simple flower girl can have a massive impact through compassion and acting for the sake of those you love.

So yeah, she brings out parts of him he didn’t know existed, probably because he hyper focused on the parts of himself he lacked instead.

 

[aeriths]

what do u think about C& A firework date in EC? Seem like SE is raising the LTD again. C almost confesses his feeling when saying: ‘when i’m with you, you bring out a part of me that i didn’t know existed, IMO.

I think that’s a huge leap to make? It seemed more like he wanted to confess to Tifa during theirs.

That being said, the C&A one was cuter to me but my thoughts are really nothing since it’s an EC event which means it’s ultimately fanservice behind gacha Hell that has no bearing to the main story. Not sure if an unpopular opinion, but the events in EC outside of the main story and skins really don’t mean much to me.

 

[pxl_pushr]

I think that’s a huge leap to make? It seemed more like he wanted to confess to Tifa during theirs.

That being said, the C&A one was cuter to me but my thoughts are really nothing since it’s an EC event which means it’s ultimately fanservice behind gacha Hell that has no bearing to the main story. Not sure if an unpopular opinion, but the events in EC outside of the main story and skins really don’t mean much to me.

And this is perhaps the better way to look at all this. None of them will change the course of the story or offer crucial new insight. The MSQ is where eyes should focus. What changes, what doesn’t, etc…

 

[aeriths]

I think that’s a huge leap to make? It seemed more like he wanted to confess to Tifa during theirs.

That being said, the C&A one was cuter to me but my thoughts are really nothing since it’s an EC event which means it’s ultimately fanservice behind gacha Hell that has no bearing to the main story. Not sure if an unpopular opinion, but the events in EC outside of the main story and skins really don’t mean much to me.

Clarifying after re-reading the last part and realizing I worded it weird: the skins also mean nothing to me along with the events outside of main story lol. So I don’t see the need to dissect them either

 

[Maidenofwar]

It’s a phrase that’s certainly a sweet thing to say to someone, so I’d hope CA fans would enjoy it. It’s typically used as a reason why someone may have feelings for the other person, but like most things concerning Cloud, his mental state should be considered.

I certainly don’t think he means that Aerith brings out the RealCloud. The phrase you’d want to see would be closer to “you make me feel like I can be me/myself/more myself.” Vs what’s said.

Imo it implies that she… well, brings out new sides to him. Himself or not, Cloud would’ve never guessed he’d be willing to crossdress for anything, or have an interest in fields and flowers ( botany in general? ), or photography ( even if that one makes so much sense it hurts ). Like any close relationship, be it friendly or romantic, they change you in little and not so little ways.

Through Aerith, Cloud learns how to treat others gently, and ultimately she teaches Cloud the power of compassion. This isn’t to say Tifa herself isn’t a shining example of compassion, but I’d say Aerith shows how even a simple flower girl can have a massive impact through compassion and acting for the sake of those you love.

So yeah, she brings out parts of him he didn’t know existed, probably because he hyper focused on the parts of himself he lacked instead.

Yeah, I agree

It's a nice parallel to the EC church scene where Aerith says Cloud taught her so much, about her getting to experience so many new things thanks to him I think

 

[Ryeleigh]

So this is secondhand from people who play the Bleach gacha game but apparently that game has a lot of "IchiRuki" moments and storylines. And well, we all know that IchiHime was/is canon in the manga. So I think these gacha games should be taken as they are: as cute fanservice for everyone. .....that probably doesn't drastically contradict the source material?

As an aside, I really wish people would learn to stop looking at every moment and detail and statement as "will this prove my ship's canonicity" and instead just enjoy what they get/have, lol.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Aww, I don't really follow fan art and stuff like that. But I hope the streamer will feel better soon.

Thank you

I was asking if they knew about the high/low split rather than the people you can get.

Oh, then yeah. Also they beat the game, wanted to see Tifa's date so went back and did it, but it was the standard version, I let them know affection wasn't high enough. Some in chat thought it would work because you can select Intimate in extra options. The streamer said they might try and work on the affection values off stream.

Late reply but yeah if you have a favourite piece of family/AC art I'm sure they'd appreciate it, thanks Ryu.

 

[Shadowstorm]

I haven't gotten the Aerith and Yuffie dates yet since I'm still catching up and they're underpowered atm, but I was kinda surprised at how hard the Tifa one went. It's hard to do anything more than we already got in Rebirth but Cloud being the one to almost confess but lose his nerve really is something.

I agree though, that it's the fanservice phone game and shouldn't be taken as gospel. I don't believe the main games are built around feeding the LTD at all, but something like this does have a vested interest in pandering to both sides to keep them playing. Hell, should it keeping going after part 3 is out I wouldn't be surprised if they keep baiting Clerith even after Cloti is locked in. Hope Zerith can start getting some crumbs in these events too though.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I haven't gotten the Aerith and Yuffie dates yet since I'm still catching up and they're underpowered atm, but I was kinda surprised at how hard the Tifa one went. It's hard to do anything more than we already got in Rebirth but Cloud being the one to almost confess but lose his nerve really is something.

I agree though, that it's the fanservice phone game and shouldn't be taken as gospel. I don't believe the main games are built around feeding the LTD at all, but something like this does have a vested interest in pandering to both sides to keep them playing. Hell, should it keeping going after part 3 is out I wouldn't be surprised if they keep baiting Clerith even after Cloti is locked in. Hope Zerith can start getting some crumbs in these events too though.

My understanding is that the main scenario segments are part of continuity, but that all the event stuff is pure fluff.
Speaking of those, folks definitely took note that the Crisis Core plot segment introducing Aerith was scheduled to drop on the 8th in Japan, which happens to be the anniversary of when Zack and Aerith's Voice Actors got married.


Also, unrelated, but I had a thought about the TOTA trials everyone went through.

Everyone else's trials are about extremely painful moments in their past, but Cloud's is about a painful moment for Tifa and Tifa's features Cloud more than it does her, along with having the reunion flower from his version of the flashback.

Could their trials have been swapped, somehow?

 

[Eerie]

Everyone else's trials are about extremely painful moments in their past, but Cloud's is about a painful moment for Tifa and Tifa's features Cloud more than it does her, along with having the reunion flower from his version of the flashback.

Could their trials have been swapped, somehow?

Tifa's trial is odd. It's the only one where the character "interacts" with the memories and as her current self, not her old one; I believe fully that the trial is something like a spell made up by the Cetra that draws information from the Lifestream, creating a sort of very temporary other world where the character revives his own memory as they were at that time.

Aerith's was a little different because she is a Cetra. But Tifa's? Tifa is a normal human, so it does bend the question, her being in contact like this with important, key memories... looks a bit like the future Lifestream. In fact, is it Cloud from her own memories, or is it true Cloud showing up there, since he's locked somewhere (he's not able to talk, in fact the little Tifa doesn't either)? She already visited the place of the Lifestream scene, she will revisit it again soon enough; there has been hints in Rebirth to say that Cloud and Tifa are actual soulmates, and them sharing those memories in their trials would also point at that.

The Lifestream sequence is going to be amazing people, that's all I'm saying. All the hints to it are absolutely incredible. And then other people make it a group project and I'm like "just look at what's been given, it's a CT scene only".

 

[pxl_pushr]

Tifa's trial is odd. It's the only one where the character "interacts" with the memories and as her current self, not her old one; I believe fully that the trial is something like a spell made up by the Cetra that draws information from the Lifestream, creating a sort of very temporary other world where the character revives his own memory as they were at that time.

Aerith's was a little different because she is a Cetra. But Tifa's? Tifa is a normal human, so it does bend the question, her being in contact like this with important, key memories... looks a bit like the future Lifestream. In fact, is it Cloud from her own memories, or is it true Cloud showing up there, since he's locked somewhere (he's not able to talk, in fact the little Tifa doesn't either)? She already visited the place of the Lifestream scene, she will revisit it again soon enough; there has been hints in Rebirth to say that Cloud and Tifa are actual soulmates, and them sharing those memories in their trials would also point at that.

The Lifestream sequence is going to be amazing people, that's all I'm saying. All the hints to it are absolutely incredible. And then other people make it a group project and I'm like "just look at what's been given, it's a CT scene only".

It’s definitely a standout, and I’ve seen people calling out oddities with Tifa and Yuffie’s trials ( for different reasons obviously but both have implications )

I think Aerith’s dream date may hint that places that hold strong, cherished memories between two people may act as a nexus point where their individual lifestreams crossover? So if the watertower in Tifa and Cloud’s “place of memories” then it’s possible that Jenova may have touched that place and Cloud’s silence may be a hint at his “secret, sealed up wish”?

Part 3 is gonna be nutty

 

[Eerie]

I think Yuffie's trial is a bit different because uh.... Sonon hasn't joined the Lifestream, his soul is with that psycho so that's why he's appearing like this in Yuffie's trial, because the LS cannot give back the memory of him.

 

[GamerSkull]

Geez, all these strange takes and Square wanting to play both sides so Part 3 sales don’t end up going as bad are going to make the wait for Part 3 excruciatingly difficult. Hopefully, they don’t try to play both sides as trying to do so will please neither.

 

[ChaosandConfusion]

Geez, all these strange takes and Square wanting to play both sides so Part 3 sales don’t end up going as bad are going to make the wait for Part 3 excruciatingly difficult. Hopefully, they don’t try to play both sides as trying to do so will please neither.

Imma wait for legit leaks before I pre-order pt.3