DutchDread
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Probably all variations on "where are you motherF&*%r!, I know you ain't dead, I asked the planet! Why aren't you answering my voicemails! Where's my baby money!"Aerith is persistent, I give her that.
Probably all variations on "where are you motherF&*%r!, I know you ain't dead, I asked the planet! Why aren't you answering my voicemails! Where's my baby money!"Aerith is persistent, I give her that.
That's from the sequel set in an alternate timeline, FFVII: Alimony.Probably all variations on "where are you motherF&*%r!, I know you ain't dead, I asked the planet! Why aren't you answering my voicemails! Where's my baby money!"
Yes, looking at the picture, she's not talking to Cloud only, because the three of them are in the scene. This is why the French assumed "vous" I guess. But I remember Maiden talking about it as a clerith motif, and I just don't see it, not for this scene, because of how it happens. It amuses me though that this "you came and it's all that matters" is both a cloti and clerith motif lol. The girls are more similar than what it looks!
I think, in chapter 3 with Tifa, Cloud is so adamant about money because he's trying to project himself as an adult, and what do adults do? They're responsible about money. I immediately thought that it's how someone who's just started on life would try to react to be "good" and on the safe side. So in ch3, he's trying to get that sorted out without taking in consideration how he feels exactly, especially since he's still having his "tough exterior" to crack - which it does in ch4, as Tifa immediately notices when she comes into his room to make sure he's not going to disappear without a word again.
Maybe, I think it's mostly because that's just the start of his delusion of being a mercenary, and therefore, logically the point he'd still be most mercenary-ish. It steadily declines in the presence of Tifa and Avalanche, and is already basically gone by the time he gets to Aerith in the remake.
People often say that Cloud becomes himself with Aerith, but I've never put much stock in that, since, well, duh. Tifa caused his persona, avalanche is a terrorist organisation, and he's literally being a mercenary for them. Of course he'd start acting less like that if you remove him from that environment, but in the remake he basically gives up isntantly.
Different topic, but it just occurred to me. The argument that Aerith is over Zack. I don’t really get it, because at the same time, it is proclaimed that Cloud isn’t allowed to be over Aerith. Isn’t that a kind of double-standard?
I mean, if Aerith can move forward (if indeed she can), then Cloud should be as much able to move forward. Right?
I hope this isn’t off-topic in any kind of way. It just started bugging me, I don’t know, why.
Wasn't Tseng going to deliver 80 something letters to Zack from Aerith? 80!? I wouldn't consider that a "not serious" relationship lol
All of this brings up though, why didn't Aerith have any information about Zack?89, over the course of 4-5 years, to be exact. That's about 2 letters a month.
All of this brings up though, why didn't Aerith have any information about Zack?
She knows he works for Shinra, she has regular contact with people from Shinra, she says she doesn't know where to send them but apparently she tried sending them somewhere and people from Shinra apparently have her letters.
Presumably at some point she would have asked about Zacks whereabouts and presumably they'd have given her some kind or comforting lie.
"he's missing" or whatever, she should know he didn't randomly run off with some girl at the very least. I think she's smart enough to realize that if they'd said "he quit" that that would be a lie.
Not only that, but shortly after Zack goes missing, Sephiroth is declared dead, might also give some hint that stuff happened.
Tseng promised he'd look after Aerith, and he seemed genuine about wanting to deliver the letters to Zack, SURELY he must have said SOMETHING.
They're both declared dead, which Aerith by her Cetra power doesn't believe.shortly after Zack goes missing, Sephiroth is declared dead, might also give some hint that stuff happened.
Aerith is persistent, I give her that.
They're both declared dead, which Aerith by her Cetra power doesn't believe.
In CC, by mails to the gamers, it's said that Zack fanclub members interview the women who are closed to Zack after the news, Aerith and his mother. Since Aerith just said he needed to fix her wagon, the FC members pitied her not knowing the news of his death. They went to his mom but they can't say her son was dead. His mom said thanks that his son is loved by everyone.
Then Sephiroth FC members went to "N" to see the last place their idol lost his life, and they're surprised no people knew about the incident as they interviewed. Indicated Nibelheim had been build
Well he’s official reported to be KIA but Aerith would know that’s a lie until he actually dies
Yeah, I kinda thought that's the message she might have heard, but like you said, she'd know that's not true, so wouldn't she demand to know the truth, or at the very least tell them that he's not dead and that they should go looking for him since he might be in danger?
I'd generally like to know more about this entire timespan.
Especially if Sephiroth and Zack are pronounced dead together, if she knows Zack is not dead, she should be suspicious as hell.
Especially if Sephiroth and Zack are pronounced dead together, if she knows Zack is not dead, she should be suspicious as hell.
Someone on Tumblr pointed out something interesting:
I think what’s going on here is that both Jesse and Aerith are playing to his desire to be a hero. They’re both associated with his SOLDIER! Persona. And his interactions with them is him trying his best to live up to that SOLDIER Persona.
This Persona was born out of his desire to be a hero to Tifa but UNLIKE both Jesse and Aerith Tifa doesn’t play up Cloud’s hero aspect. She also unlike Jesse and Aerith keeps him at arm’s length. His true self is still trying to impress Tifa but who he is actually impressing are Jessie and Aerith. And SOLDIER Cloud livesss for that. Pretty girl is impressed because he’s their hero. It’s what he’s always wanted.
But he’s unaware as SOLDIER Cloud that that’s what he’s always wanted from Tifa.
True Cloud knows which is why True Cloud screams for Tifa basically in every scene they’re together. His True self comes out when he’s with Tifa. And Cloud does still feel that need to impress her through SOLDIER Cloud too (driven by True Cloud’s feelings). He thinks that’s what she wants. Look I’m the hero you always wanted.
Giving her the flower, complimenting her through the drink, trying to be cool.
But notice how he never actually does. Because it’s not SOLDIER Cloud she’s into.
Jessie and Aerith however embody everything SOLDIER Cloud wants. To be recognized as a hero. So their scenes show similar reactions from the same self which is SOLDIER Cloud.
An interesting comparison I will point out is the reaction to Cloud’s eyes. All three girls comment on them.
Jessie is impressed by Cloud’s eyes. “Just keep those baby blues of yours on me.”
Aerith was also impressed with Cloud’s beautiful eyes and it was a Zack reference because she had said the same to Zack. He doesn’t know what she’s reffering to so he says oh it’s the Mako.
Tifa however DOES NOT have that same reaction she mentioned Cloud’s eyes used to be less kill happy basically and he also says it’s the Mako because he mistook it as a comment on the color
These scenes are opposites. Tifa misses the True Cloud and rejects his SOLDIER Persona. Jesse and Aerith compliment his SOLDIER persona.
Tifa is the odd one out in every reference to SOLDIER Cloud.
I don't exactly agree about Aerith. She seems to not be interested in Cloud's persona. She constantly deflates his ego to get him to lighten up and allow her to fight alongside him.
It's not this SOLDIER persona that Aerith is seeking in Cloud. It's Zack. I think Aerith was unintentionally trying to recreate certain memories she possesses with Zack with Cloud. For instance, the high-fiving debacle(and this is speculation) was probably something her and Zack did a lot back in the day.
Same with the eye-gazing scene. Many are interpreting that as her being mesmerized by his eyes, but I did see one theory on tumblr claiming that she was trying to recreate a memory with Cloud, and became bummed out by his reaction because of how much it diverged from Zack's.
I'm not sure how much I agree with this theory, since it sound biased towards a specific ship, but it's worth considering:
https://spectroscopes.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F619030484060717056
If I may toot my/ TLS's horn a little, many of those points were made here long ago and several times, including "You change the affection each character has for Cloud, not that Cloud has for them" but that was for the OG.
including "You change the affection each character has for Cloud, not that Cloud has for them" but that was for the OG.
But that doesn't make sense if certain scenes are made canon after the fact, and Cloud ends up with Tifa anyway. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying the way the devs went about it was dumb because it merely gives the player the illusion of choice.
Then again, who decided Aerith's date and the high affection highwind scene were the "canon" scenes? How was this determined?