SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[LunarTarotGirl]

THIS. They're being tight lipped as hell! It's only been like 2 months and I'm already like HELLO?? lmaooo

Also, I apologize for my age
Kind of crazy to think I was only 5 when the OG came out lmao

Lol no need to apologize at all but yeah I feel I'm somewhere reading this scene incorrectly somewhere like I'm missing something but I wish the Ultimania said literally anything to give me context.

Because right after he is just in the regular world like nothing happened and I am still wondering what is happening.

 

[imach0c0]

THIS. They're being tight lipped as hell! It's only been like 2 months and I'm already like HELLO?? lmaooo

Also, I apologize for my age
Kind of crazy to think I was only 5 when the OG came out lmao

Not sure if it was the ultimania but I read somewhere that the devs said that the dream date Aerith is not "our" Aerith.

 

[imach0c0]

Lol no need to apologize at all but yeah I feel I'm somewhere reading this scene incorrectly somewhere like I'm missing something but I wish the Ultimania said literally anything to give me context.

Because right after he is just in the regular world like nothing happened and I am still wondering what is happening.

One of the things that stood out to me was Cloud's expression when he points to the photographer. There as something innocent and childlike about it. And then we get wakes up and meets with the party, he is back to his SOLDIER self. I assume he remembers everything that happened because he tells Barret that he was transported to many worlds (or something like that).

Or maybe he didn't? Which is why just carries on normally. Idk.

 

[Sacky]

If you haven't read OTWTAS - which nobody had when AC first came out - it's like being dropped cold into the middle of a story. Pacing is pretty bad. Great fight scenes though. Final act is pretty good.



My guess is it will be just like the kiss. They will double down on Cloud and Tifa's relationship in part 3, but give the Highwind scene some kind of escape hatch for people who don't want to see it. It wouldn't amount to nothing, and would give confirmation to those of us looking for narrative coherence, but would be just enough for the "optional" label to stick.

They better get rid of that optional Highwind affection i swear to god at this point, it makes sense with the story. just let everyone experience that actual narrative lets end this crap debate which i don't even think helps the game. Just let the people accept the story being told. If you wrote the story and characters feelings this way show it in the main story with no options!

 

[Rin]

Lol no need to apologize at all but yeah I feel I'm somewhere reading this scene incorrectly somewhere like I'm missing something but I wish the Ultimania said literally anything to give me context.

Because right after he is just in the regular world like nothing happened and I am still wondering what is happening.

You know what confuses me the most? Aerith is asleep for a bit, which insinuates that some version of our Aerith WAS interacting with Cloud (sleeping forest when they exchange the materias) but she wakes up before him while he's still asleep for a long while after she leaves the rest of the group.... so.... what tf was happening in between all of that????

Not sure if it was the ultimania but I read somewhere that the devs said that the dream date Aerith is not "our" Aerith.

Yeah it was the ultimania but knowing it's a different Aerith doesn't really clear up any of the confusion I have, personally.

 

[Sacky]

You know what confuses me the most? Aerith is asleep for a bit, which insinuates that some version of our Aerith WAS interacting with Cloud (sleeping forest when they exchange the materias) but she wakes up before him while he's still asleep for a long while after she leaves the rest of the group.... so.... what tf was happening in between all of that????


Yeah it was the ultimania but knowing it's a different Aerith doesn't really clear up any of the confusion I have, personally.

Ok from the green flashes which show the white materia in it. Cloud and Aerith don't fall off the temple, Cloud goes unconscious. Aerith was picked up by Tifa not asleep. Yet Cloud was in the dream date so imagined Sephiroth cutting the vine?? The forest is also a dream though so Aerith does she need to be sleeping to go into that world. Thats never explained? Im wondering if Sephiroth was even there when Cloud and Aerith are dangling. Cause what he just leave after that and its never mentioned again and the green vision shows that Cloud and Aerith got picked up. That whole sequence is so strange in every way. I still can't tell which Sephiroth that even was?

 

[Rin]

Ok from the green flashes which show the white materia in it. Cloud and Aerith don't fall off the temple, Cloud goes unconscious. Aerith was picked up by Tifa not asleep. Yet Cloud was in the dream date so imagined Sephiroth cutting the vine?? The forest is also a dream though so Aerith does she need to be sleeping to go into that world. Thats never explained? Im wondering if Sephiroth was even there when Cloud and Aerith are dangling. Cause what he just leave after that and its never mentioned again and the green vision shows that Cloud and Aerith got picked up. That whole sequence is so strange in every way. I still can't tell which Sephiroth that even was?

Yeah, my mind can't comprehend any of this LMAOOO people said this was less confusing than the ending of Remake and I would just like to say that I heavily disagree bc Remake was a cake walk compared to this.

The only reason people were confused about Remake was because they didn't want to accept that Zack had escaped his fate, but that was just copium and not SE depicting anything that was actually confusing imo.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

I still am playing this game so I'm wondering if playing through these scenes myself will somehow give me a better answer which is why I'm trying very hard not to judge until I have reached the end credits myself. Watching scenes is valid but the actual experience might feel different.

I should be done soon.

Also trying to keep my purist bias in check because it's currently at an all time high.

Also currently my favorite Aerith interactions is Cosmo Canyon quests by far.

 

[Sacky]

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Yeah, my mind can't comprehend any of this LMAOOO people said this was less confusing than the ending of Remake and I would just like to say that I heavily disagree bc Remake was a cake walk compared to this.

The only reason people were confused about Remake was because they didn't want to accept that Zack had escaped his fate, but that was just copium and not SE depicting anything that was actually confusing imo.

neither can mine Everytime i rewatch the final chapters i get more confused, more pissed off by some of the choices, But mostly WONDERING WHAT IS THE POINT OF MAKING THE ENTIRE FINAL CHAPTERS SO WEIRD? The temple stuff annoys me to no end because i can't explain it. The ultimania could have helped by at least telling us Which Sephiroth is which. Since he seems to be doing a lot more wihtout a physical body than you would assume. And the black materia oh dear god so ones a key to the real one that we give to Sephiroth and then he somehow finds the real one and gives it to Cloud. Yet why does he need Cloud at that point if he can travel through the lifestream. HELP XD

 

[Sacky]

I still am playing this game so I'm wondering if playing through these scenes myself will somehow give me a better answer which is why I'm trying very hard not to judge until I have reached the end credits myself. Watching scenes is valid but the actual experience might feel different.

I should be done soon.

Also trying to keep my purist bias in check because it's currently at an all time high.

Also currently my favorite Aerith interactions is Cosmo Canyon quests by far.

I have no purist bias im wondering what the hell is going. Yet i don't even know how to explain that part. Im interested to see what you think but im already predicting you will say OK WTF is going on XD

 

[Yoru]

Let's try to think in chronological order :

1- Cloud and OurAerith fall from the temple.
2- One of the white whispers seems to save them. OurAerith wakes up at the same time as the others come to meet them. Cloud is unconscious.
2a - Cloud lands in NotAerith's dream, they spend their date and end the day at the church...
2b - ... While OurAerith explains to the group that she must go to the city of the ancients...
3 - Cloud, lost between worlds, is intercepted by Sephiroth, who tells him the game scenario (is he telling the truth?), then ends up in the forest (was this Sephiroth's choice, or was he simply following a path laid out by NotAerith?).
3a - The group arrives in the forest, separated from OurAerith, who disappears into the mist.
4 - Cloud meets OurAerith in the forest to give her the white materia. She sets off in the direction of the city, while the white whispers prevent Cloud from following her.
5 - Cloud wakes up while the team tries to find OurAerith.

 

[pxl_pushr]

I have no purist bias im wondering what the hell is going. Yet i don't even know how to explain that part. Im interested to see what you think but im already predicting you will say OK WTF is going on XD

Is it ever said what happens to the Black Materia after Sephiroth uses it?

 

[Sacky]

Is it ever said what happens to the Black Materia after Sephiroth uses it?

im guessing thats how he found the real Black Materia by making the rainbow gateway between worlds? in which the lifestream starts getting corrupted. Where he found it though no idea

 

[pxl_pushr]

im guessing thats how he found the real Black Materia by making the rainbow gateway between worlds? in which the lifestream starts getting corrupted. Where he found it though no idea

I mean in the OG, is it ever said what happens to it after Meteor is summoned? It just struck me that I can’t think of anything.

 

[Sacky]

Let's try to think in chronological order :

1- Cloud and OurAerith fall from the temple.
2- One of the white whispers seems to save them. OurAerith wakes up at the same time as the others come to meet them. Cloud is unconscious.
2a - Cloud lands in NotAerith's dream, they spend their date and end the day at the church...
2b - ... While OurAerith explains to the group that she must go to the city of the ancients...
3 - Cloud, lost between worlds, is intercepted by Sephiroth, who tells him the game scenario (is he telling the truth?), then ends up in the forest (was this Sephiroth's choice, or was he simply following a path laid out by NotAerith?).
3a - The group arrives in the forest, separated from OurAerith, who disappears into the mist.
4 - Cloud meets OurAerith in the forest to give her the white materia. She sets off in the direction of the city, while the white whispers prevent Cloud from following her.
5 - Cloud wakes up while the team tries to find OurAerith.

The thing is though they don't fall the vision shows that they didn't because we see Cait Sith give his apology in the temple doorway which if they fell that wouldn't have happened Tifa also doesnt seem that concerned if they fell and just checks on Aerith. Also something i don't think people mention the white materia can be seen in the middle of the visions. OH WAIT ITS A WHITE WHISPER FACE. Yeah they didn't fall the tendril is in the background of Tifa picking up Aerith.

 

[Rin]

neither can mine Everytime i rewatch the final chapters i get more confused, more pissed off by some of the choices, But mostly WONDERING WHAT IS THE POINT OF MAKING THE ENTIRE FINAL CHAPTERS SO WEIRD? The temple stuff annoys me to no end because i can't explain it. The ultimania could have helped by at least telling us Which Sephiroth is which. Since he seems to be doing a lot more wihtout a physical body than you would assume. And the black materia oh dear god so ones a key to the real one that we give to Sephiroth and then he somehow finds the real one and gives it to Cloud. Yet why does he need Cloud at that point if he can travel through the lifestream. HELP XD

omg this just reminded me of how Sephiroth has been summoning meteor already in these dream worlds SO WTF DOES HE NEED THE BLACK MATERIA FOR????? It's starting to piss me off forreal

 

[Sacky]

omg this just reminded me of how Sephiroth has been summoning meteor already in these dream worlds SO WTF DOES HE NEED THE BLACK MATERIA FOR????? It's starting to piss me off forreal

now im wondering what the whitewhisper means in these green visions WHY did i rewatch that scene XD

 

[Yoru]

The thing is though they don't fall the vision shows that they didn't because we see Cait Sith give his apology in the temple doorway which if they fell that wouldn't have happened Tifa also doesnt seem that concerned if they fell and just checks on Aerith. Also something i don't think people mention the white materia can be seen in the middle of the visions. OH WAIT ITS A WHITE WHISPER FACE. Yeah they didn't fall the tendril is in the background of Tifa picking up Aerith.
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I don't really understand your point. Nothing prove they didn't fall. The team (Tifa and Barret) went to retrieve them from the ground before returning to the surface where the rest of the team awaited them, the moment Caith chose after all that emotion to officially apologize to everyone before Aerith asked to leave.

 

[Yoru]

The white whisper is just here to cushioned their fall.

 

[Rin]

now im wondering what the whitewhisper means in these green visions WHY did i rewatch that scene XD

We're really out here suffering........ you will rue this day, Nojima!!

 

[Sacky]

I don't really understand your point. Nothing prove they didn't fall. The team (Tifa and Barret) went to retrieve them from the ground before returning to the surface where the rest of the team awaited them, the moment Caith chose after all that emotion to officially apologize to everyone before Aerith asked to leave.

The actual vision shows Cloud grabs her before they fall while they are still dangling then she lies on his arm and he goes unconscious. wait they have to have then if there is solid ground

 

[Yoru]

Aerith hanging mid-air. Cloud takes her in his arms during the fall


The white whisper head (they all have a materia there now, nothing to do with the real white materia of Aerith) that cushioned their fall


They are now on the ground. Saved.


You can see Tifa and Barret coming for them. Look at the background. It's not the temple entrance. It's the ground.


Now they're back up at the temple entrance. Cait is asking for forgivness

And then they decide to leave for the forest

 

[Sacky]

Aerith hanging mid-air. Cloud takes her in his arms during the fall
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The white whisper head (they all have a materia there now, nothing to do with the real white materia of Aerith) that cushioned their fall
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They are now on the ground. Saved.
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You can see Tifa and Barret coming for them. Look at the background. It's not the temple entrance. It's the ground.
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Now they're back up at the temple entrance. Cait is asking for forgivness View attachment 16509

And then they decide to leave for the forest

Ok no I'm just annoyed at the lack of urgency at them falling and one person being unconscious that's weird from Tifa? Now I'm also confused on Why Sephiroth even caused them to fall then just disappeared? I don't know what it is with this series and having Cloud fall and Tifas reaction between so tame each time

 

[Yoru]

Ok no I'm just annoyed at the lack of urgency at them falling and one person being unconscious that's weird from Tifa? Now I'm also confused on Why Sephiroth even caused them to fall then just disappeared?

Nobody can see what's happening. The black whispers tornado is blocking the view. The same ones that put Tifa out of the picture. That's why when Yuffie is talking to you in the forest, she's talking about Sephiroth kicking Cloud's butt. Aerith lied to them and didn't told them Cloud was delulu and he gave the black materia himself.

 

[Sacky]

Nobody can see what's happening. The black whispers tornado is blocking the view. The same ones that put Tifa out of the picture. That's why when Yuffie is talking to you in the forest, she's talking about Sephiroth kicking Cloud's butt. Aerith lied to them and didn't told them Cloud was delulu and he gave the black materia himself.

I think it's more he's unconscious they found them At the bottom she looks at Cloud then walks away with Aerith while Barrett picks him up. It's just weird to show her not even go towards him at the start to check on him.