SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Maidenofwar]

The year is 2055 ... the LTD now features drones and sentient AI amongst it's ranks. Virtual real space is subject to massive attacks raiding to rewrite coding.

 

[pxl_pushr]

I’m over here doing some interpretation math and I’m going to offer it up for discussion:

If we take the whole “Jenova appears to you in the form of those you love, those you hate, those you fear” as completely literal ( I personally take what was said in the Temple of the Ancients more at face value )

And we take Cloud repeating that verse in Chapter 9 as a diet confession that he loves Tifa ( since, you know, obviously doesn’t hate or fear her )

And IF it’s proven that there is a Jenova manipulation of Aerith mixed into the ending segment of Rebirth somewhere, do we then draw the conclusion that Cloud does love Aerith?

We do also have the whole “even if you think you love me, it’s not real” from Remake and the “when you meet my future self, you’re gonna love her” from Costa del Sol that may yet play a role in part 3.

 

[Yoru]

“when you meet my future self, you’re gonna love her”

She doesn't say that in the Japanese script so don't put too much weight on it I think.

 

[pxl_pushr]

She doesn't say that in the Japanese script so don't put too much weight on it I think.

Oh really? What does she say?

 

[Yoru]

Oh really? What does she say?

Japanese text is : ううん 未来のわたしに頼んだ きっとすっごくいい女だよ お見逃しなく

And it's something like : No, I asked my future self to do it. She's definitely a great woman. Don't miss it.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Japanese text is : ううん 未来のわたしに頼んだ きっとすっごくいい女だよ お見逃しなく

And it's something like : No, I asked my future self to do it. She's definitely a great woman. Don't miss it.

I really need to replay this game in Japanese.

 

[abzy1200]

From what I gather, Aerith at the end of Rebirth is a lifestream world thing and not a Jenova thing. So probably not.

He also doesn't suspect it's her, which is the important part.

 

[Stiggie]

Japanese text is : ううん 未来のわたしに頼んだ きっとすっごくいい女だよ お見逃しなく

And it's something like : No, I asked my future self to do it. She's definitely a great woman. Don't miss it.

Damn, arrogant

 

[Ryeleigh]

Japanese text is : ううん 未来のわたしに頼んだ きっとすっごくいい女だよ お見逃しなく

And it's something like : No, I asked my future self to do it. She's definitely a great woman. Don't miss it.

Damn, arrogant

DeepL translates it as "No, I asked the future me. I'm sure she's a very nice girl. Don't miss it." Which is less arrogant, lol. (And yes, I know but my Japanese is really rudimentary.)

But either way that's another reference gone. English, please.

 

[abzy1200]

That "those you fear" also isn't there in Japanese.

They really are remaking ff7 aren't they? Down to the bad translations that lead people to think Clerith is more canon than it actually is.

 

[ViolaaFox]

That "those you fear" also isn't there in Japanese.

They really are remaking ff7 aren't they? Down to the bad translations that lead people to think Clerith is more canon than it actually is.

Which is pretty funny because in the German translation they seemed more like a Couple of Besties to me. For example our translation of the red dress scene or the first meeting between Cloud and Aerith was very different from the English version.

 

[Yoru]

DeepL translates it as "No, I asked the future me. I'm sure she's a very nice girl. Don't miss it." Which is less arrogant, lol. (And yes, I know but my Japanese is really rudimentary.)

But either way that's another reference gone. English, please.

I've always seen Aerith with a cocky/cheeky side to play down a situation. That's why I used the most "expressive" shapes of きっと(kitto)

But yes, at no point does she pretend to know what Cloud will think of her in japanese.

Honestly, the English version matches the idea of the sentence. It's just that in this twisted fandom, phrases like that take on a whole new meaning, but that's not the translators' fault.

 

[abzy1200]

Do we think the LS in part 3 will show more of Cloud and Tifa's early years than what was shown in ToTP? Like literally anything that happened before the promise.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Do we think the LS in part 3 will show more of Cloud and Tifa's early years than what was shown in ToTP? Like literally anything that happened before the promise.

ToTP is from Tifa’s perspective, so the LS scene will likely repeat a few points but will be mainly from Cloud’s pov, his thoughts/feelings etc

We’ll get the bridge incident again, but Tifa will likely see more into how Cloud felt about all of it, why he stuck around, why he took the blame for it ( including what her dad said to him ), and what basically fueled his calling her to the water tower in the first place.

People think we’re going to cover other stuff since Tifa already had her LS experience about a lot of the same stuff, but I don’t think we will. They’ll expand on it being strictly about the core of who Cloud is and why he ended up where he is. It’s where we get the most crucial part of the very beginning of the story: when Tifa first finds Cloud.

There’s actually quite a lot we need to cover and explore, but you can only see that if you actually keep track of just how much the LS scene covers.

If anything gets added, it might be a short version of Zack’s death that can be filled in elsewhere with more of Zack’s input when Cloud has been put back together.

 

[Ryushikaze]

ToTP is from Tifa’s perspective, so the LS scene will likely repeat a few points but will be mainly from Cloud’s pov, his thoughts/feelings etc

We’ll get the bridge incident again, but Tifa will likely see more into how Cloud felt about all of it, why he stuck around, why he took the blame for it ( including what her dad said to him ), and what basically fueled his calling her to the water tower in the first place.

People think we’re going to cover other stuff since Tifa already had her LS experience about a lot of the same stuff, but I don’t think we will. They’ll expand on it being strictly about the core of who Cloud is and why he ended up where he is. It’s where we get the most crucial part of the very beginning of the story: when Tifa first finds Cloud.

There’s actually quite a lot we need to cover and explore, but you can only see that if you actually keep track of just how much the LS scene covers.

If anything gets added, it might be a short version of Zack’s death that can be filled in elsewhere with more of Zack’s input when Cloud has been put back together.

It's possible we might get other childhood incident details, and a clearer picture (the definitive picture!) of the events of the final showdown in Nibelheim. While I do think remembering Zack's final stand should come right around here, I don't actually want it to come during the lifestream sequence. I want it to come right after, during his reintroduction speech. And I want him to explain via a flashback then crossfade over into Zack doing the exact same flashback to explain to Aerith what happened to him and how he's not sure he's alive. Bonus points for if he remembers all the various doggyverses. THEN I want the two of them to worry about Cloud and fade back over to the party and we can get Cloud talking about having his head messed with, how he thought Aerith was still alive even after her death, and the party suggests heading back there for both closure and clues, and then we get the unedited death scene.

Seriously, Nojima, I know you wrote the script, but hire me. I have the writing and filmmaking experience. And it might make the heads of the people who annoy you on twitter just explode out of frustration.

 

[imach0c0]

It's possible we might get other childhood incident details, and a clearer picture (the definitive picture!) of the events of the final showdown in Nibelheim. While I do think remembering Zack's final stand should come right around here, I don't actually want it to come during the lifestream sequence. I want it to come right after, during his reintroduction speech. And I want him to explain via a flashback then crossfade over into Zack doing the exact same flashback to explain to Aerith what happened to him and how he's not sure he's alive. Bonus points for if he remembers all the various doggyverses. THEN I want the two of them to worry about Cloud and fade back over to the party and we can get Cloud talking about having his head messed with, how he thought Aerith was still alive even after her death, and the party suggests heading back there for both closure and clues, and then we get the unedited death scene.

Seriously, Nojima, I know you wrote the script, but hire me. I have the writing and filmmaking experience. And it might make the heads of the people who annoy you on twitter just explode out of frustration.

The cross fade flashback of Cloud remembering Zack's death to Zack explaining it to Aerith is an interesting idea. I can kinda see a scene like that with Zack reading Aerith's letters and it cross fades into Aerith's voice narrating it. (kinda like when Zack read's Bigg's note when he goes to bomb the reactor).

As someone with filmmaking and writing experience, how would you direct the ZA reunion? (if there is one)
I wonder how it can be executed to have maximum emotional impact without it being an info dump. Do you think one scene is enough?

Before the reunion, it would be interesting if Zack got the 88 letters and realized she died in his world. Its an opportunity to explore his guilt and have him deal with his "failure" for not being there for her and have to come to terms with that on his own. This not only provides him with insight into Aerith's commitment to him but it also sets him up with context regarding Aerith's POV during his absence. This also creates a build up so that when they meet, it can be focused on ZA clearing the waters and coming to a resolution. As opposed to them explaining everything from scratch to each other and resolving it.

 

[pxl_pushr]

The cross fade flashback of Cloud remembering Zack's death to Zack explaining it to Aerith is an interesting idea. I can kinda see a scene like that with Zack reading Aerith's letters and it cross fades into Aerith's voice narrating it. (kinda like when Zack read's Bigg's note when he goes to bomb the reactor).

As someone with filmmaking and writing experience, how would you direct the ZA reunion? (if there is one)
I wonder how it can be executed to have maximum emotional impact without it being an info dump. Do you think one scene is enough?

Before the reunion, it would be interesting if Zack got the 88 letters and realized she died in his world. Its an opportunity to explore his guilt and have him deal with his "failure" for not being there for her and have to come to terms with that on his own. This not only provides him with insight into Aerith's commitment to him but it also sets him up with context regarding Aerith's POV during his absence. This also creates a build up so that when they meet, it can be focused on ZA clearing the waters and coming to a resolution. As opposed to them explaining everything from scratch to each other and resolving it.

Blame KH for this idea.

I actually think a neat way to open part 3 is showing Aerith mid descent into the water but you slowly transition it into her falling into white and you repeat her original meeting with Zack but their roles are flipped

 

[Sacky]

Anyone else hate the idea of multiple endings. I feel like waiting this long to be a choose your own ending for the final part. Would be terrible.
Also they can make 15 bad endings and one good but not everyone will see that ending, so the arguments on which one is canon would never
end. Pretty much, in my opinion the worst possible outcome that or an ambigious interpet your own ending. If you have a story to tell also have a ending that you are confident in.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

He found a sword, got busy. Also worth noting, should he be downed in battle there, his KO quote references Tifa and the promise.

Exactly. He forgets the whole thing right after, because mentally he is just some guy. He's not mentally ready for what he can do, it's why he was rejected from SOLDIER in the first place. But physically? Nah, he's a beast waiting to be let off it's chain.

For that matter, let's go back to Nibelheim again. Specifically Zack encouraging Cloud to "finish Sephiroth." Something Zack himself absolutely failed to do. And yet Zack calls this out, rather than "Cloud take the gurl and run/hide" or "Cloud, save yourself" it's "Cloud, finish Sephiroth." Methinks Zack knows and is counting on Cloud pulling a Gohan here.

Fitting for a lot of Yoko Taro's games.

Indeed.

For the sake of plausible deniability, of course I wouldn't. Wink.

Pleasure not doing business with you then I'll just write the list for funsies, nothing to see there.

I never said there was much down to get to.

You'd think they'd improve, there's nowhere to go but up. Sadly the trend seems to be trying to go ever lower and thus staying at rock bottom.

Yeah, that was the idea. People make fairness happen. Doesn't mean all of them.

Mores the pity. We'd all be better off if more folks tried.

Also a great idea.

I thought so.

Always good to have a backup plan, even if that plan is "SMASH"

It's a solid fallback option when a more cerebral approach fails. Full Primal State, embrace the inner Spear.

It's the catharsis aspect.

Y'know when they say "what goes around comes around?" There is great joy in responding with "I am what's coming around."

Welk.

Welk here we are again, it's always such a pleasure...

Norman can ruin his day. Editorial can ruin his whole character development.

Seriously, and they know it. Fourth wall aware folk like Deadpool hang lampshades on it after all. I must thus assume that their fuckery is intentional.

That's his secret, he was born Super Saiyin!

Someone asked me once what we'd call a fusion of adult Gohan and Mirai Trunks. I said "Cloud."

They both have sex on top of rocks before a pivotal moment.

At least Cloud and Tifa are extra durable. Not sure how Jean isn't one big bruise.

Hence the "enjoyably evil" qualifier. First Evil was a cohesive villain, just not, you know, that watchable.

They had their moments, but yeah Glory was the moment.

I mean, if we're being thorough.

No other way to be

In another installment of the "Have we fallen back in time" series, saw on the Clerith subreddit people talking about the Credits for Advent Children and the Cleriths there were talking about Cloud searching for Aerith. You know, forget the running a delivery service and him actually going around to visit friends to pick up a "closed" sign so he goes and takes a day off with his family. Shipping goggles, man.

Honestly? After all these years it's like they haven't taken a single step. I mean, if Cloud was searching for Aerith... why? He bloody well knows where she is if he was so desperate to reunite.

 

[Ryushikaze]

The cross fade flashback of Cloud remembering Zack's death to Zack explaining it to Aerith is an interesting idea. I can kinda see a scene like that with Zack reading Aerith's letters and it cross fades into Aerith's voice narrating it. (kinda like when Zack read's Bigg's note when he goes to bomb the reactor).

As someone with filmmaking and writing experience, how would you direct the ZA reunion? (if there is one)
I wonder how it can be executed to have maximum emotional impact without it being an info dump. Do you think one scene is enough?

Before the reunion, it would be interesting if Zack got the 88 letters and realized she died in his world. Its an opportunity to explore his guilt and have him deal with his "failure" for not being there for her and have to come to terms with that on his own. This not only provides him with insight into Aerith's commitment to him but it also sets him up with context regarding Aerith's POV during his absence. This also creates a build up so that when they meet, it can be focused on ZA clearing the waters and coming to a resolution. As opposed to them explaining everything from scratch to each other and resolving it.

So, if I remember correctly, 88 of her 89 letters are being held by Tseng, the 89th managed to make it to Zack thanks to the Angeal beast, so he know a bit about them.
However, I want to start their reunion very early. Literally the start of Part 3. I think we are actually going to start with a small segment playing as Aerith- no combat, just her wandering through sector 5. She knows something's wrong, so she wants to get back to "our place" and heads towards the church. We flash back a little bit to Zack. who's been chilling in the church, when he is confronted by Tseng, and the two- maybe with Reno and Rude as backup- fight for our soft tutorial. Like in Pt2, you can't lose. Once you beat the fight, Aerith shoves open the doors to tell off everyone for fighting in the church, her and Zack's eyes meet, and we get -and this is basically simultaneous- Zack framed on the left, Aerith on the right sort of deal, dual subtitle action going on.
"Aerith!" "Zack!"
"You're-"
"Awake!" "Alive!"

Short pause.
Zack: "I'm what now?"
Aerith: "Nothing! I missed you. It's been five years!" Where were you?"
Zack: "It's a long story. Where to begin?"
Aerith: "Why not... the very beginning."

And then we fade into Icicle Inn, in what Gast's old home. Cait Sith has led them here for more information on what might be going on with Sephiroth, as he led the project. While they look for information, they come across the Ifalna tapes, and start playing them, including Aerith's birth and Gast's death.

That's like our Act 1.

Anyone else hate the idea of multiple endings. I feel like waiting this long to be a choose your own ending for the final part. Would be terrible.
Also they can make 15 bad endings and one good but not everyone will see that ending, so the arguments on which one is canon would never
end. Pretty much, in my opinion the worst possible outcome that or an ambigious interpet your own ending. If you have a story to tell also have a ending that you are confident in.

I want Zero branching for this, and I want the game to have a definite post- meteor epilogue to remove all ambiguity.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Anyone else hate the idea of multiple endings. I feel like waiting this long to be a choose your own ending for the final part. Would be terrible.
Also they can make 15 bad endings and one good but not everyone will see that ending, so the arguments on which one is canon would never
end. Pretty much, in my opinion the worst possible outcome that or an ambigious interpet your own ending. If you have a story to tell also have an ending that you are confident in.

That would be the worst imo

I much prefer the “all roads lead to Rome” approach of the first half having some choice but the second half is a curated experience.

At most I can see them throwing in one final “choice” but the curser will fight you on it to simulate Cloud making his own decision.

I’d much rather a single ending to wrap this all up. Let us rest lol

 

[Ryushikaze]

Exactly. He forgets the whole thing right after, because mentally he is just some guy. He's not mentally ready for what he can do, it's why he was rejected from SOLDIER in the first place. But physically? Nah, he's a beast waiting to be let off it's chain.

For that matter, let's go back to Nibelheim again. Specifically Zack encouraging Cloud to "finish Sephiroth." Something Zack himself absolutely failed to do. And yet Zack calls this out, rather than "Cloud take the gurl and run/hide" or "Cloud, save yourself" it's "Cloud, finish Sephiroth." Methinks Zack knows and is counting on Cloud pulling a Gohan here.

Cloud's a born shitkicker.

Pleasure not doing business with you then I'll just write the list for funsies, nothing to see there.

And if those people would have happened to suddenly have died 15 years ago, that would be pure not even coincidence.

You'd think they'd improve, there's nowhere to go but up. Sadly the trend seems to be trying to go ever lower and thus staying at rock bottom.

They're blasting at bedrock to find a lower bottom.

Mores the pity. We'd all be better off if more folks tried.

Indeed we would.

I thought so.

Ironic hats for fire and explosives!

It's a solid fallback option when a more cerebral approach fails. Full Primal State, embrace the inner Spear.

Then of course there's the state of pure cold fury.

Y'know when they say "what goes around comes around?" There is great joy in responding with "I am what's coming around."

While one should not chase the high of a righteous fury eternally- that way lies the shitshow that is social media- there is something nice about unleashing it at just the right moment.

Seriously, and they know it. Fourth wall aware folk like Deadpool hang lampshades on it after all. I must thus assume that their fuckery is intentional.

It must suck for Gwen Poole, especially. She's not only aware of the fourth wall but also of how her personality changes. She's had to fight herselves to sort that bullshit out.
Even then, Pete gets it worse.

Someone asked me once what we'd call a fusion of adult Gohan and Mirai Trunks. I said "Cloud."

Yeah. No dispute there.

At least Cloud and Tifa are extra durable. Not sure how Jean isn't one big bruise.

Having the Phoenix Force/ Actually being the Phoenix Force thinking it was Jean.
Comic Books!
Actually, I want to look at the four primary women Scott has dated in his life.
Jean Grey
A cosmic entity that decided it would be fascinating to be Jean Grey while it healed her ruined body after she basically gave her life for others.
A Clone of Jean Grey
Emma Frost.
He was also for a brief time having thoughts about Psylocke when she was in an Asian woman's body or whatever the situation there actually was.
Man has a type and that type is psychics.

They had their moments, but yeah Glory was the moment.

She was consistent and amazing the entire season long. Not even the Mayor had her presence and screen power.

Honestly? After all these years it's like they haven't taken a single step. I mean, if Cloud was searching for Aerith... why? He bloody well knows where she is if he was so desperate to reunite.

Almost like he DOESN'T want to die and reunite with her?

Actually, fun point of order, the conversation he has with Tifa at the end of the OG game is also referred to as a promise in a few Ultimania entries. Literally it's a promise to visit their deceased loved ones together. Cloud and Tifa made a promise to be together even in death.

That would be the worst imo

I much prefer the “all roads lead to Rome” approach of the first half having some choice but the second half is a curated experience.

At most I can see them throwing in one final “choice” but the curser will fight you on it to simulate Cloud making his own decision.

I’d much rather a single ending to wrap this all end. Let us all rest lol

Since we're on the topic of fourth wall breaks, I can just imagine Cloud actually reaching out and taking hold of the little selector Icon and wrenching it to the topic he wants to discuss. Someone else can even ask him what he was just doing. "Nothing, just dealing with something that's been bothering me for awhile now. Anyways, about [topic]..."

 

[imach0c0]

So, if I remember correctly, 88 of her 89 letters are being held by Tseng, the 89th managed to make it to Zack thanks to the Angeal beast, so he know a bit about them.
However, I want to start their reunion very early. Literally the start of Part 3. I think we are actually going to start with a small segment playing as Aerith- no combat, just her wandering through sector 5. She knows something's wrong, so she wants to get back to "our place" and heads towards the church. We flash back a little bit to Zack. who's been chilling in the church, when he is confronted by Tseng, and the two- maybe with Reno and Rude as backup- fight for our soft tutorial. Like in Pt2, you can't lose. Once you beat the fight, Aerith shoves open the doors to tell off everyone for fighting in the church, her and Zack's eyes meet, and we get -and this is basically simultaneous- Zack framed on the left, Aerith on the right sort of deal, dual subtitle action going on.
"Aerith!" "Zack!"
"You're-"
"Awake!" "Alive!"

Short pause.
Zack: "I'm what now?"
Aerith: "Nothing! I missed you. It's been five years!" Where were you?"
Zack: "It's a long story. Where to begin?"
Aerith: "Why not... the very beginning."

And then we fade into Icicle Inn, in what Gast's old home. Cait Sith has led them here for more information on what might be going on with Sephiroth, as he led the project. While they look for information, they come across the Ifalna tapes, and start playing them, including Aerith's birth and Gast's death.

That's like our Act 1.

Yes -- regarding the letters.

Why would Tseng, Rude or Reno fight Zack? In CC, Tseng seemed like an ally to him. IIRC - Tseng sent the turks to get Zack back alive and safe.

Also - in Rebirth, it seems that Aerith is unaware of Zack "existing" in the other world. And whenever she has mentioned him, she seemed sad. So I assume the first time she sees Zack again, though she would be happy, I think she would be overwhelmed with emotion and not know how to react at first. So I feel like the dialogue between them during that first meeting would have a lot of push and pull as opposed to a straightforward conversation.

Do you think it cheapens the ZA tragedy if they have frequent interactions throughout part 3? Part of the tragedy is their lives got cut short and they were separated from one another. So I wonder if them interacting and sharing "new" moments together would take away from that. (as well as Aerith's "death"). Though part 2 has created a lot of setup, from a narrative standpoint, I wonder if its more effective to build up to the ZA reunion for the end instead. Having said that, one the issues that could arise with a ZA reunion near end game (and them only interacting together in one scene) would feel like an info dump, given their history and the number of unresolved issues between them.

How would you do Act 2 and Act 3?

 

[nars305]

Talking about if they’ll incorporate Tifa’s past/ToTP-

In the Mideel part where she stays with Cloud, is there a lot of conversation they have there or is it just the place Tifa is left? Like do they hang out around with Cloud a lot or just the part where he is found?

If not, I think that’d be a nice space to incorporate those past memories she has with Cloud as he is in his mako coma. It’s always a thing when people are bed ridden and in a coma that their loved one talks to them.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yes -- regarding the letters.

Why would Tseng, Rude or Reno fight Zack? In CC, Tseng seemed like an ally to him. IIRC - Tseng sent the turks to get Zack back alive and safe.

Sorry, I skipped over that part. The Turks come to check up on Aerith, they talk a bit, misunderstandings, Zack actually initiates the fight. The turks aren't giving it their all but they are fighting back. Once Zack sees Aerith the fight stops and the Turks take the opportunity to go back into the wings.

Also - in Rebirth, it seems that Aerith is unaware of Zack "existing" in the other world. And whenever she has mentioned him, she seemed sad. So I assume the first time she sees Zack again, though she would be happy, I think she would be overwhelmed with emotion and not know how to react at first. So I feel like the dialogue between them during that first meeting would have a lot of push and pull as opposed to a straightforward conversation.

She's definitely happy, but she's also quite confused- I did not communicate this because it's not answered yet, this is an Aerith that has herself just come from the fight against Sephiroth in Rebirth. She finds herself led here by the Other Aerith, same as Zack did. In this take on the story the Aerith seen talking to Cloud during the credits would be a ghost (though it could also be a delusion, but I don't think so) rather than existing in a different world.

Do you think it cheapens the ZA tragedy if they have frequent interactions throughout part 3? Part of the tragedy is their lives got cut short and they were separated from one another. So I wonder if them interacting and sharing "new" moments together would take away from that. (as well as Aerith's "death"). Though part 2 has created a lot of setup, from a narrative standpoint, I wonder if its more effective to build up to the ZA reunion for the end instead. Having said that, one the issues that could arise with a ZA reunion near end game (and them only interacting together in one scene) would feel like an info dump, given their history and the number of unresolved issues between them.

How would you do Act 2 and Act 3?

I might do more than just three acts. One of them is definitely Zack explaining his near death and Aerith explaining she felt him die but couldn't admit it, one is Aerith discussing her near death and wondering if that means she died. Near the end the two of them are going to join together with the main party to fight Sephiroth- like in the Bizarro Seph fight and it'd be great if they were AI helpers to Cloud and Tifa in solo and joint fights against Sephiroth (Zack and Cloud, Aerith and Tifa, then all four together), then the final 1 v 1 after everything.

I think they should fight knowing there's a chance they lose their chance to be happy together, that they are fighting for what's right for their friends, because that's who the two of them are. Their deaths were senseless tragedy. Now give them happiness and togetherness and make them give it up for the right thing. Turn tragedy into cruelty.