Itachi has confirmed the basics that Sasuke was honestly concerned with, like his survivor's guilt, and that Itachi confirmed what he learned from Tobi.
I hardly feel that Sasuke's few answers to Itachi's reluctant replies can confirm utter outright impossibility of Itachi effecting Sasuke as opposed to Naruto, but even IF it did, that hardly happened because of Itachi. He didn't confirm anything, he was lucky to pick up as much as he did, because Sasuke wasn't willing to totally let him prevent any conversation happening at all. In no way can I credit the answers that Sasuke has given to Itachi's inquistive nature.
This is where I'd have to flat out disagree. I don't think that Itachi really has ANY real emotional leverage over Sasuke, and Sasuke's comments in this chapter makes that perfectly clear. He's refusing any advice, or refusing to listen to Itachi's idealogies or comments that aren't explicitly what he wants to hear.
Itachi hasn't given any advice. And nobody in the story has ever had much taste for Itachi's ideologies, except maybe Tobi and even then it was probably just to manipulate Sasuke better. They haven't been as shouty and rude about it as Sasuke, but well Itachi didn't kill their whole family, now did he.
It's not void in any way. Sasuke's still destined to conflict with Naruto if he wants to eliminate Konoha, so their meeting is unavoidable.
Meeting Naruto is in no way destined to forego attacking Konoha. Especially when he's so very busy, so very far away. And it is void because he can't leave it to Naruto because Sasuke is with him and he is going to have to deal with that reality.
I don't think so. One, until now, Itachi never really assigned him as the person to carry the role. Naruto was (and still is) doing it of his own motivation. Naruto's understanding of Sasuke is intrinsically tied into the main source of conflict on a greater scale, and Naruto can't resolve that until he understands it. His previous failures exist as points of him learning, but I also don't think that Sasuke will ever turn from his path, until he can identify with Naruto's part experience as well. It's their connection and life path juxtaposition that gives Naruto the best leverage out of anyone. If Itachi believes that Naruto is the one who's in an appropriate position to take that role, I don't think that there's any doubt for that.
I can't for the life of me understand how identifying with Naruto's past experiences will help change Sasuke's mind at all. He has no interest in getting Naruto on his side like it is the other way around. He has in the past claimed Naruto can't understand his pain, but he's never pretended that he on the other hand he can perfectly understand Naruto's pain. he's aware of Naruto's hardships and Gaara's for that matter and how they have chosen to deal with them, but he hasn't let that effect his decisions about how he should live his life. Nor should it. It has no relevance to his beef with Konoha.
The whole latter portion of Sasuke's dialogue is telling Itachi that he's seeing through his tricks, and that he's not changing his mind to destroy Konoha, despite Itachi's prior efforts.
He didn't say that it isn't going to change his mind (not saying that he's perfectly willing to change his mind but he hardly added a disclaimer explaining why shouldn't bother talking to him while trying to get Itachi to talk to him), he said he's going to destroy Konoha and why. Cause he has no idea Itachi knows anything about this. It wasn't even a response. All that Itachi said to get that answer was "...", He didn't formulate it as a question but Sasuk still threw that line at Itachi in the hope of sparking a reply.
And what prior efforts? All of Itachi's prior efforts have been aimed towards turned Sasuke into avenging that uses the power of hatred to smite the destroyer of his clan. In other words, the current Sasuke. You mean despite Itachi's wishes.
That's got nothing to do with Itachi's conversation or lack thereof, it's all about Sasuke's personal viewpoints. I can't think of anything that Itachi can say would change Sasuke's mind.
Sasuke shouting his viewpoints exactly BECAUSE Itachi refuses to answer questions has everything to do with Itachi's extreme lack of conversation. He's shouting his viewpoints like this because he HAS too, because certainly anything less wouldn't have gotten Itachi's attention.
And i can't think of anything that Itachi can say that will change Sasuke's mind either. But then neither can I think of what Naruto will come up with. Nor do I think Itachi is already predicting what Naruto will say. Hell, I don't think Naruto has already gotten that far either. The words are out there. And Itachi's still got a better change of vocaling them before Sasuk shoved a Sword of Totsuka up his ass then Naruto. He won't find the words, I know but, I'd still try in vain ahead of what he had to say instead.
He did try, and he's not really hiding behind semantics at all. He's very frank and clear about everything that says to Sasuke, and even very plainly talks about his manipulative plans to guide Sasuke's life. I think maybe, because the translations from Mangareader make it seem WAY more complicated than it is, this might not be clear, but it's not
at all an odd conversation between the two of them. Narutoforums has a couple better versions of the text in threads
here &
here that you might want to check out.
Okay.
Itachi: I told you this when we fought... "Everyone lives by their own assumptions. Wouldn't you agree?" "That reality could simply be an illusion." Do you truly know my reali-
Itachi : I think I already told you when we fought. "People live trapped by their own assumption. When you think about it, their reality
is maybe just an illusion."
In reality my truth is ...
This, talking about personal realities in response to someone saying they'll destroy a village (after already ignoring several questions you kinda do owe a response to), I'd call hiding behind words. Frank talk would saying what you think of his decision to destroy Konoha.
Itachi: The fact that you always speak so confidently hasn't changed... But I've heard about what you've done after I died... You've really changed.
Itachi : Your speaking tone didn't change, always so confident. I've been told about what you did, and how much you changed.
Sasuke demands to know why he's running away, saying he's done falling for Itachi's illusions, wants to know whether he's afraid to tell him the truth, whether he's feeling guilty for lying.
Itachi responds by talking about how his speechtone hasn't changed.
That is again, not a direct reply. Or very frank talk. I can see why Sasuke is getting the impression that Itachi is afraid to just tell Sasuke the truth. (not saying fear is actually the issue but)
After that, when Sasuke shouts that Itachi should killed Sasuke like he killed both their parents, Itachi finally opens up. (Pretty harsh, and tells us something we didn't about the current Sasuke, but I can see why he feels it's neccesary at this point)
Itachi: You didn't know anything about what was happening at the time... You knew nothing about the Uchiha's foolish plans... You were just a child. And it wasn't just for you... I wanted to someday be brought to justice by you, another Uchiha. That's why I used the hatred within you... And that's why I failed. In the end, all I did was give you more hatred and make you desert the village... I turned you into a criminal...
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Itachi: I hoped that you would walk the right path... ... Before I died, I tried to make it so you wouldn't go down the wrong path... I tried to lure you onto a straight road with no branching paths... By rewriting the guideposts with lies and ocular abilities.
Sasuke: You wanted me to stay ignorant and just walk down that road without a care in the world...!? I don't want to walk a road like that!
Itachi: Yeah... You're right... Where you go in life is your own decision.
Sasuke: No matter how much you rewrite the guideposts... My eyes can see through your changes!
Itachi: Heh...
Sasuke: What's so funny!?
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Itachi: ...Nothing... Guideposts aren't the only things that show you where to go...
Sasuke: !?
It's clear from his earlier speech that even after running into Sasuke, Itachi wasn't planning on even saying as much as this, but he did. He finally personally told Sasuke what it is he was trying to do. Props for that at least.
Sasuke replied to that he didn't wanna live ignorant. And then he said something about seeing through the guideposts or something (it's a little weird metaphor in every translation)
I wouldn't call that a rejection of everything Itachi could possibly have to say as much as a warning not try lead him down another illusion.
After that Itachi shuts him out for good.
All in all, if Itachi's talk to Naruto about how you should never try to do everything alone was an admission that he should've done things differently back then, then you'd think there'd be something more resembling an apology in there. (Not saying that it was, but someone over NF argued as much and it made some sense to me). Just telling Sasuke he disagreed with what he was doing and wishes he would change his mind should've come sooner and be the focus of the conversation, rather then be implied from his explanation of his earlier intentions.
And yeah, just give direct anwers instead of say something designed to annoy him about illusions and reality since you got nothing to lose.
If not just outright plead for Konoha's sake while running. Plenty of things he could've done with miniscule at best chances of success but would show he gave it his best effort and at least would've made Sasuke stop being delusional enough about what Itachi thinks to keep talking to an imaginary Itachi all the time in his absence.
When? I don't recall him mentioning anything like that.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/521/3
That's all we know. Certainly explains why Itachi feels he's the best man for the job.
If he's causing Kabuto pain in order to attempt to keep Itachi alive, he's helping Kabuto. While the possibility of Sasuke killing Kabuto is a possibility to keep Itachi alive, I rather doubt that he'd do it. He'd only end up with an immortal version of his brother, constantly attempting to defeat him, which goes against what Sasuke's objective is. His hatred of the prejudice that made his brother into a monster
VASTLY outweighs his love for his brother's twisted attempt at caring for him.
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Well he's willing to put his hatred of Konoha aside to fight with Naruto. I think forcing Itachi to make Sasuke the center of his attention and taking away his excuse for dodging the conversation meaning he'll also have to defeat his brother before moving on, might seem like a good deal for Sasuke. We'll see.