Should they re-make FFVII?

[Lord Noctis]

I just wanna add that those look like wings to me as well.

Getting back to where this debate started, I don't think Sephiroth having a wing in ACC is a big deal. I just don't think they should add a wing to him whenever he flies in a possible remae because he didn't have a wing at any point short of the fnal battle in FFVII.

 

[ForceStealer]

Oh totally. But I don't think they will. If they would do that he would have had it during the entire ACC battle. The only time I could see them throwing it in where it wasn't before is the final final battle. But even that I kinda doubt, that battle was Sephiroth looking his most human ("vulnerable?") without armor or anything.

 

[Tifabelle]

I agree with that also. I think it might show up in the final battle or somewhere in the northern crater ending possibly, but I can't imagine anywhere else.

 

[Dashell]

In THAT screenshot yes, they're wing-like. But in the two images posted earlier they're much shorter and are differently designed.

So... she does have wings now?

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Drake. Can you honestly say that no video game ever had shit that served no real purpose except to look cool?

No, but I expect some sort of explanation for why it exists in-game. If its only purpose to be in the game is to be cool fine, but in-universe explain it. Like if they said "Some people with Jenova cells sprout wings at their peak of power. Only those who have exceptional control over Jenova's cells can manifest them, a symbol of their heightened abilities that they can channel aspects of her original physical form". I'd buy that, fine. But they don't give us that, as I said in the CC Ultimania, they say in-universe they aren't really sure where the wings came from.

 

[ForceStealer]

Taking Dissidia (I know, technically doesn't count) it seems to show up with Sephiroth "limit breaks," and Sephiroth isn't pushed to such a point until the end.
And in the Nibelheim Incident, but it didn't pop out in CC (which I was afraid it might)
(That was a response to Tifabelle's post)

 

[looneymoon]

If it makes you feel better Drake, I think the whole one-wing motif is pretty fucking stupid as well.

Not that it came out of nowhere to be sure. The whole symbol calls far too much attention to itself to the point of pretension. I didn't mind the way it was used in the OG. I would say the same thing happened to the Buster Sword. But even that wasn't quite so raped up the ass in the same way.

basically, it's nice to give rule of cool stuff some nice sentimental meanings, but Square Enix takes their rule of cool crap too goddamn seriously. That or they have too big of a hard-on for them.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Taking Dissidia (I know, technically doesn't count) it seems to show up with Sephiroth "limit breaks," and Sephiroth isn't pushed to such a point until the end.

Considering AC/C has him sprout it for his final assault on Cloud, I'd take that as well, ties into my thing above. But I can't buy an explanation they don't officially provide.

 

[Dashell]

No, but I expect some sort of explanation for why it exists in-game.

What game do you think you're playing here?

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Not-FFX

 

[Shademp]

I feel more inclined to see the symbolism in Sephiroth's wing rather than whatever genetical connection it might have with Jenova's appearance.

Sephiroth is a fallen hero and he is sometimes compared with Satan, the fallen angel. Ergo, a black wing to symbolize how fallen he is. Genesis is corrupt as well, but Angeal's greater sense of honor makes the white wing suit him better. Angeal rather dies with honor than to live as a monster.

So yes, it is merely "cool".

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yes yes, I hate Sephiroth for no real reason. I'm sure the moderator of the FF7 fansite is in no way biased in this assertion .

1. Strawman. I stated 'beyond the reasonable standard' There are plenty of reasonable ways to hate on the man, but kvetching about their changing where his wing is isn't exactly one of them. This is why I responded with the equally laughable 'I don't like Kefka he's just the Joker' comment. He was the OWA in the original game. It was an indication both of power and of his flaw. It became ingrained as part of his image all the way back then.
2. Glass houses and stones. Especially since I'm hardly a Sephiroth fanboy.

Answer me this then - what does the wing actually do? KH and Dissidia are alternate continuities, they don't count.

It's the OG's Sephiroth in Dissidia.

In its sole canon Compilation appearance in AC/C, what does the wing do, what purpose does it serve besides looking cool?

It doesn't actually need to 'Do' anything. It might solely exist to show that yes, he's a monster, that Jenova is a part of his being. It might also act as a Spirit energy booster of some sort.

But they don't give us that, as I said in the CC Ultimania, they say in-universe they aren't really sure where the wings came from.

But we can draw some reasonable conclusions, given the only people in canon who have the wings are the three people with Jenova's genetic data in them from birth, and the folks they retrovirus into sharing their DNA.
Jenova can shape shift. She's been sealed away for 2000 years. Hell, it might just be that the wings are the only thing that Sephiroth and others with the fragmented DNA can shift into besides their normal forms, leading to He of the Wingbutt.

Considering AC/C has him sprout it for his final assault on Cloud, I'd take that as well, ties into my thing above. But I can't buy an explanation they don't officially provide.

Why not? I mean, you can't say 'yes this is the reason' but it does work as an explanation.


Also, 'It looks cool' and 'Rule of Cool' aren't completely analogous.

 

[Masamune]

I always thought the 'wing' was associated with Mako/Spirit Energy, instead of Jenova. That's why Sephiroth begins to form an 'angelic' mutation after gorging on the Lifestream. The Compilation was also backing up this theory, when Omega Weapon sprouted wings in Dirge of Cerberus.

But then they made Crisis Core and screwed it all up.

 

[ForceStealer]

I see that too a point, but Cloud has absorbed a lot of Mako energy over his lifetime and he never produced a wing.

Still I agree that Safer's form is due to power an knowledge given to him by the Lifestream. But the "one wing" in question is undeniably different from the other six and is reasonable to assume it came from another source.

 

[Tifabelle]

I've been wondering since CC. Is the wing a surprise to Sephiroth? Like he didn't know he had it until Nibelheim or something? Or even Genesis. They didn't have the wing as children or even teenagers? Because you'd think they would have suspected something was wrong before this if that were the case.

So when did the wings show up?

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Genesis and Angeal, at least, did not have wings as children. Until the degradation set in, both they and everybody at Shin-Ra thought they were normal humans. Genesis' wing emerged with his degradation and Angeal's emerged soon after. It's only after they have wings that they start thinking of themselves as monsters and not humans.

It is never mentioned when Sephiroth gained his wing, but it is sometime after the Nibelheim Incident. Up until then, Sephiroth has thought of himself as human; it is only after both his friends get wings that he starts questioning if he was experimented on as well.

 

[Tifabelle]

Then he gets his wing while in the Lifestream? Which I suppose makes sense. But I demand an explanation for why it sprouts during degradation and not before that, lol. Also, if that's the reason, Sephiroth doesn't degrade, so how does his sprout?

 

[minimosey]

Maybe the wings aren't caused by degradation? I've been looking at the keywords and it says the mechanism behind them is "unknown" (way to skip explanations, guys), but there is talk about the degradation, which talks about muscle deterioration, etc. Not wings.

The thing is, when Genesis and Angeal started their degradation, they both went with Hollander, who was actively probing their Jenova-derived abilities with copy-making. So it could just be triggered by a specific ability from Jenova and not the degradation, which would explain why Sephiroth can have one without degrading. The fact that Angeal and Genesis both get theirs at that time is coincidence caused by Hollander's experimentation.

 

[Tifabelle]

Then what would trigger Sephiroth's? The Lifestream?

 

[OneWingedDemon]

I smell a minigame!

Hopefully it's a little more creative than God of War in that department. Like...in showing the pr0n and coming up with a point system for orgasm combos.

 

[ForceStealer]

Then there's that flash game in which you have the get the sleeping girl off without waking her

 

[OneWingedDemon]

HAVE YOU BEEN PLAYING ORGASM ANGEL, FORCESTEALER?

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Then what would trigger Sephiroth's? The Lifestream?

Don't forget that Sephiroth cut off Jenova's head and brought it with him into the Lifestream. He also has contact with Jenova's will and eventually gains control over it. His proximity to Jenova probably has something to do with it.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Maybe the wings aren't caused by degradation? I've been looking at the keywords and it says the mechanism behind them is "unknown" (way to skip explanations, guys), but there is talk about the degradation, which talks about muscle deterioration, etc. Not wings.

The thing is, when Genesis and Angeal started their degradation, they both went with Hollander, who was actively probing their Jenova-derived abilities with copy-making. So it could just be triggered by a specific ability from Jenova and not the degradation, which would explain why Sephiroth can have one without degrading. The fact that Angeal and Genesis both get theirs at that time is coincidence caused by Hollander's experimentation.

Think of it more that 'degradation activated whatever it is that allows you to make wings' than 'degradation caused the wings'
Degredation triggered them, but it's not the reason for them.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

EDIT: never midn, completely misread ya.

Sephiroth's born with it. The rest is Maybelline

leading to He of the Wingbutt.

Which is absolutely terrifying. I mean, it looks like he has a tumor with feathers growing out of his ass :\