So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Frostwave]

I've read the stupid shit you say about her being a clingy bitch all over Zack, and you misunderstood her character badly.

Your words, not ours.

SE says that the reason why Aerith is all over Cloud in VII is because he reminds her so much of Zack. We didn't write Aerith's character so that she wouldn't be over him five years after the fact, SE did.

@We treat them like shit.

Uh, no. No we don't. Calling out BS and snarky mockery of said BS =/= treating people like they are bodily waste. Secondly, I don't wanna hear some sob story about how C/A shippers are so freaking oppressed and cruelly mistreated. More BS.

 

[Vendel]

I've read the stupid shit you say about her being a clingy bitch all over Zack, and you misunderstood her character badly.

Whoever called Aerith a Clingy bitch hanging on Zack raise your hand?

No one?

Z/A was actually canon at one point,

And they are together in death. Very bittersweet yes?

FFF IS IT NOT CONSTANTLY BEING UPDATED I have read as ABSOLUTELY MUCH OF IT as I thought existed.

Jesus fuck, I have a REAL LIFE to contend with too.

Case of Tifa isn't THAT long.

I'm actually a fairly good debater, seeing as most of the C/A shippers won't touch this place because most of you lack the capacity to be polite to people who don't agree with you.

No you lack the capacity to backup your points. At all.

I'm sorry, but you always want people to debate with and then you TREAT THEM LIKE SHIT.

By telling them that they are wrong and showing them why?

Despite the LTD constantly being drama fucking central, it IS possible to debate and not make personal attacks and be ugly.

Your fat.

 

[Dashell]

I'm actually a fairly good debater, seeing as most of the C/A shippers won't touch this place because most of you lack the capacity to be polite to people who don't agree with you. I'm sorry, but you always want people to debate with and then you TREAT THEM LIKE SHIT. Despite the LTD constantly being drama fucking central, it IS possible to debate and not make personal attacks and be ugly.

We'll wait for you to get your sources and stuff.

As for everything else, yeah we all wanna debate so when one happens we all jump in... I usually try to let others handle it but I just can't help it

You'll just have to bring more Cleriths with you next time

Your fat.

Also it's you're not your
and she's not.

 

[Vendel]

Also it's you're not your
and she's not.

It's a callback.

 

[Celes Chere]

I'm actually a fairly good debater, seeing as most of the C/A shippers won't touch this place because most of you lack the capacity to be polite to people who don't agree with you. I'm sorry, but you always want people to debate with and then you TREAT THEM LIKE SHIT. Despite the LTD constantly being drama fucking central, it IS possible to debate and not make personal attacks and be ugly

Holy shit, we lack the ability to be polite? I really lost tolerance with you going FFFF you guys are teh suxxors I luv Aerith1231! Every two sentences. How can you take something like that seriously? There are plenty of nice Cleriths on this site. You obviously have a problem.

Seek help!

The real canon =D
http://demonkikyo.deviantart.com/art/Aerith-and-Firi-lol-134777317

 

[Winter]

Your words, not ours.

SE says that the reason why Aerith is all over Cloud in VII is because he reminds her so much of Zack. We didn't write Aerith's character so that she wouldn't be over him five years after the fact, SE did.

They DIDN'T write her that way. She isn't Tifa. She has lived with overbearing loneliness her whole life, and losing Zack was something that she had to cope with on her own, AND SHE DID.

There's a quote from the game where she says something along the lines of "It's no big deal, I feel for his parents though." She's over it.

Besides, Square Enix has said SO many times that she SAW the real Cloud, she had an innate understanding of others, she knew there was more to him and she saw that and understood that.

So where are you all getting that Aerith was just all up on him because he looked like her dead boyfriend?

Also, I love Z/A. I actually like Z/A more the S-E seemed to. They disappointed me with CC.

But it's a teen romance and they have shown it to be nothing but such. In the end she chose Cloud. Even in the afterlife she does as much as she possibly can for him.

@We treat them like shit.

Uh, no. No we don't. Calling out BS and snarky mockery of said BS =/= treating people like they are bodily waste. Secondly, I don't wanna hear some sob story about how C/A shippers are so freaking oppressed and cruelly mistreated. More BS.

Snarky mockery goes pretty fucking far and gets pretty goddamn old fast. And we're complete BITCHES when we debate and that's the problem here, everyone is such a goddamn dick that people forget how to be civil and it gets old FAST.

I'm not talking about CLOTAY OPPRESSION I'm talking about people being DICKS. You wouldn't come to CxA because OH YEAH it makes us act so nasty that we stopped letting other people in.

And you guys are the ones who treat us like we're the fucking mafia, lulz.

Your fat.

this actually made me lol, points to you. But seriously, calling me a hypocrite really isn't that great.

Holy shit, we lack the ability to be polite? I really lost tolerance with you going FFFF you guys are teh suxxors I luv Aerith1231! Every two sentences. How can you take something like that seriously? There are plenty of nice Cleriths on this site. You obviously have a problem.

sry I am really gay for FFFFF right now I won't lie I seriously can't stop doing it. in a week I'll have some new irritating typing habit A++

I never said YOU GUYS ARE TEH SUXXORS, after many many posts I gave up and said I can't keep debating one on six. Is that so shameful?

Also, your interpretations of Aerith are shit even if I didn't absolutely adore her.

Also, there's about 3 Cleriths on here and most of them I'm very close to. They too get fed up with your bullshit, FYI.

 

[Vendel]

They DIDN'T write her that way. She isn't Tifa.

Oh?

She has lived with overbearing loneliness her whole life, and losing Zack was something that she had to cope with on her own, AND SHE DID.

There's a quote from the game where she says something along the lines of "It's no big deal, I feel for his parents though." She's over it.

Despite all her actions saying otherwise? Despite having an entire game that shows nearly all her actions towards Cloud are because of Zack?

Besides, Square Enix has said SO many times that she SAW the real Cloud, she had an innate understanding of others, she knew there was more to him and she saw that and understood that.

No she knew that Cloud was messed up. She never knew the real him. Ever.

So where are you all getting that Aerith was just all up on him because he looked like her dead boyfriend?

Crisis Core, creator statements. WHAT AERITH SAYS IN THE GAME.

But it's a teen romance and they have shown it to be nothing but such. In the end she chose Cloud. Even in the afterlife she does as much as she possibly can for him.

She chose Cloud? That is why she leaves with Zack at the end of AC/C? Makes perfect sense.

You wouldn't come to CxA because

WE WOULD BE BANNED FOR BEING SUPPORTERS OF THE CANON...er I mean ebil Clotis.

And you guys are the ones who treat us like we're the fucking mafia, lulz.

No no...it's more like a cult yes?

 

[Dashell]

WE WOULD BE BANNED FOR BEING SUPPORTERS OF THE CANON...er I mean ebil Clotis.

*Still hasn't been banned or even warned yet*

 

[Frostwave]

They DIDN'T write her that way.

They didn't write her as not being over Zack? Didn't write her falling for Cloud because he reminded her of him? What is this crap you utter?

She has lived with overbearing loneliness her whole life, and losing Zack was something that she had to cope with on her own, AND SHE DID.

Yeah, Aerith coped. Her coping mechanism appears to have going into denial and convincing herself that Zack simply left her for another girl.

There's a quote from the game where she says something along the lines of "It's no big deal, I feel for his parents though." She's over it.

Oh yeah, because Aerith really thinks that Zack's death amounts to a shoulder shrug.

Besides, Square Enix has said SO many times that she SAW the real Cloud, she had an innate understanding of others, she knew there was more to him and she saw that and understood that.

SE has never said that Aerith saw the real, true Cloud buried under Jenova's influence. She knew that Cloud was not who he seemed, expressed a desire to meet him, and died very shortly after without doing so. And Maiden, which is not canon, if the only place where Aerith meeting the real Cloud is touched on.

So where are you all getting that Aerith was just all up on him because he looked like her dead boyfriend?

Like I said above, SE, as in the people who made the game, said that Aerith behaves the way she does towards Cloud because of Zack.

Take it from Aerith's mouth:

First off, it bothered me how you
looked exactly like. Two completely different people, but look exactly the
same. The way you walk, gesture... I think I must have seen him again, in
you...

 

[Vendel]

*Still hasn't been banned or even warned yet*

Q I love ya. I really do....

But I have seen you post over there. And Ryu wouldn't get banned for that.

 

[Winter]

Despite all her actions saying otherwise? Despite having an entire game that shows nearly all her actions towards Cloud are because of Zack?

The fuck, when did she see into the future and go "WHEN I SEE THAT BLOND HOTTIE I KNOW I WILL JUMP HIS BONES BECAUSE HE LOOKS JUST LIKE U"

God this will be hard to debate because I utterly hated CC.

No she knew that Cloud was messed up. She never knew the real him. Ever.

lololol okay. I'll come back with quotes when I feel like it but suffice to say: NO.

She chose Cloud? That is why she leaves with Zack at the end of AC/C? Makes perfect sense.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Zack is fucking lifestream goo two seconds after that, only Aerith had the ability to stay whole. I'm sure the sex is GREAT.

WE WOULD BE BANNED FOR BEING SUPPORTERS OF THE CANON...er I mean ebil Clotis.

I don't make the rules. :C

 

[Celes Chere]

Snarky mockery goes pretty fucking far and gets pretty goddamn old fast. And we're complete BITCHES when we debate and that's the problem here, everyone is such a goddamn dick that people forget how to be civil and it gets old FAST.

No hun, you know what gets old fast? Countless hate threads to many members on this very site, for having opinions. A lot of us are tired of being nice, when rabid Cleriths get butthurt that they can't prove that Cloud loves Aerith. Maybe some of us are fed up with being flamed multiple times for having opinions. Quit trying to play the victim, that shit is what is REALLY old, and you reek of that kind of shit right now. Save it, seriously. Preaching to the wrong people.

I'm not talking about CLOTAY OPPRESSION I'm talking about people being DICKS. You wouldn't come to CxA because OH YEAH it makes us act so nasty that we stopped letting other people in.

I joined CxA and every thread is like a bashing thread. It's ridiculous. I got kicked out of devotion for saying that Cloud cares about Zack and Aerith equally. Apparently that's a ebil Cloti ideal! And Cloti graphics are the spawn of satan, since I got warned the first day I joined for having a Cloti/Zerith graphic. Who wants to be a part of a Forum where you have to KISS ASS to fit in?

And you guys are the ones who treat us like we're the fucking mafia, lulz.

Hey, we aren't the ones that created a club called pink jackboots, dedicated to Cloti GENOCIDE. Really fucking funny, hun.

in a week I'll have some new irritating typing habit A++

Don't worry, you're already irritating me CLASS A style.

Is that so shameful?

Not at all, you came off like you weren't being serious at all, so I didn't really treat you like a serious debator.

Also, your interpretations of Aerith are shit even if I didn't absolutely adore her.

That's so polite of you. I adore Aerith too, but I don't SEE HER in games where she isn't mentioned.

They too get fed up with your bullshit, FYI.

AA too?
Well, that's nice. Even if there aren't any Cleriths here, I don't really give a flying fuck, lol.

 

[Ryushikaze]

They DIDN'T write her that way. She isn't Tifa. She has lived with overbearing loneliness her whole life, and losing Zack was something that she had to cope with on her own, AND SHE DID.

There's a quote from the game where she says something along the lines of "It's no big deal, I feel for his parents though." She's over it.

Except by her own admission, she's not. She says it bothered her when she realized she was just seeing the Zack in Cloud. Further, she uses Zacks lines on Cloud, wears his ribbon, and wears pink in anticipation of their return. Aerith is trying to move on, but isn't.

Besides, Square Enix has said SO many times that she SAW the real Cloud, she had an innate understanding of others, she knew there was more to him and she saw that and understood that.

No, S-E has said she saw through the the essence of Cloud. It has also said she percieved he was not himself but never got the chance to properly meet the real him.
Both quotes are from the UO, I think.

So where are you all getting that Aerith was just all up on him because he looked like her dead boyfriend?

CCU, CC, FF7, her using Zack's lines, her admitting that it bugged her how alike they were before realizing that wasn't really Cloud and wanting to meet the real him...

Also, I love Z/A. I actually like Z/A more the S-E seemed to. They disappointed me with CC.

But it's a teen romance and they have shown it to be nothing but such. In the end she chose Cloud. Even in the afterlife she does as much as she possibly can for him.

So does Zack.

Snarky mockery goes pretty fucking far and gets pretty goddamn old fast. And we're complete BITCHES when we debate and that's the problem here, everyone is such a goddamn dick that people forget how to be civil and it gets old FAST.

Kiddo, you're just as guilty of this as the next person. So don't be trying to pin this on just us. And I say that knowing full well I've been yelling and screaming in this thread.
I just prefer rationality to the veneer of civility.

I'm not talking about CLOTAY OPPRESSION I'm talking about people being DICKS. You wouldn't come to CxA because OH YEAH it makes us act so nasty that we stopped letting other people in.

Actually it's because our views are bannable offenses.

And you guys are the ones who treat us like we're the fucking mafia, lulz.

And yet, you operate with a power structure. You have a ruling elite and mooks who go out and do the dirty work and obey their edicts.

this actually made me lol, points to you. But seriously, calling me a hypocrite really isn't that great.

Spade a spade.

sry I am really gay for FFFFF right now I won't lie I seriously can't stop doing it. in a week I'll have some new irritating typing habit A++

I never said YOU GUYS ARE TEH SUXXORS, after many many posts I gave up and said I can't keep debating one on six. Is that so shameful?

Also, your interpretations of Aerith are shit even if I didn't absolutely adore her.

Howso? Narrative arc, both self coherent and which does not contradict the outside canon, supported by in universe and extra-universal evidence. How is that shit?

Also, there's about 3 Cleriths on here and most of them I'm very close to. They too get fed up with your bullshit, FYI.

If they have an issue, there are report buttons and talking to staff.
About 3 Cleriths, if you have an issue with us, please, do let us know.

 

[Winter]

First off, it bothered me how you looked exactly like. Two completely different people, but look exactly the same. The way you walk, gesture... I think I must have seen him again, in you...

But you're different. Things are different...

selective quoting yay!

 

[Ryushikaze]

selective quoting yay!

"I think I must have seen him again in you" supports my point, sunshine.

Nor was that solely my laurels.

 

[Vendel]

The fuck, when did she see into the future and go "WHEN I SEE THAT BLOND HOTTIE I KNOW I WILL JUMP HIS BONES BECAUSE HE LOOKS JUST LIKE U"

God this will be hard to debate because I utterly hated CC.

It was made. The connections are made. It cannot be unmade.

lololol okay. I'll come back with quotes when I feel like it but suffice to say: NO.

Take your time.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Zack is fucking lifestream goo two seconds after that, only Aerith had the ability to stay whole. I'm sure the sex is GREAT.

Obvious troll is obvious.

I don't make the rules. :C

You didn't make the games. But you sure seem to think your opinion on it matters more than those that did.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Q I love ya. I really do....

But I have seen you post over there. And Ryu wouldn't get banned for that.

No, I'd be banned for being Ryu. Before I did anything.

 

[Isabella]

But it's a teen romance and they have shown it to be nothing but such.

Aren't most FF romances teen romances? Does that invalidate all of them? Just wondering, because I've seen Cleriths say Aerith was too young to truly be in love with Zack in any lasting way, but then what does that say of other FF love stories?

 

[Celes Chere]

I'll come back with quotes when I feel like

Yeah, that's what they all say.












They never come back.

 

[Vendel]

No, I'd be banned for being Ryu. Before I did anything.

Obvious Ryu is Obvious?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Aren't most FF romances teen romances? Does that invalidate all of them? Just wondering, because I've seen Cleriths say Aerith was too young to truly be in love with Zack in any lasting way, but then what does that say of other FF love stories?

It actually invalidates all but 6, 7, and the beta pairings with older folks. Everyone is the same or younger than Zack and Aerith at the time of Nibleheim.

 

[Dashell]

Q I love ya. I really do....

But I have seen you post over there. And Ryu wouldn't get banned for that.

mmmmm no he would be

Apparently that's a ebil Cloti ideal! And Cloti graphics are the spawn of satan, since I got warned the first day I joined for having a Cloti/Zerith graphic

Didn't read the rules first, did you?

Hey, we aren't the ones that created a club called pink jackboots, dedicated to Cloti GENOCIDE. Really fucking funny, hun.

Neither did she She's not even a member.

She's not your generic Clerith. Honestly I talk to her almost every day on AIM and I've never seen her be this snarky O_o I guess debates do that... which is a shame because I'm sure she'd be able to fit in like Zee and KtR just fine...

And I got her into this... She was asking me some questions about Dissidia that I didn't have the answers to so I told her to ask in here. I wasn't expecting her to actually DEBATE stuff, but wow she did.

Props to you Vines for taking on so many of us at once but something to remember, we're really not as bad as CxA makes us seem. A lot of Cleriths who got upset in here came in here, insulted US first and then ran back to CxA and posted about how evil we were. I've seen it happen quite a few times... so the accusations posted on CxA about how TLS is a horrible place... really aren't accurate at all. I think you had that in mind when posting and because you had this false representation of us, you got carried away a little too quickly. I think you were doing fine until you said we twisted quotes.

SO yeah, go ahead and get your sources and we'll wait for you. Just remember to not take any of this personally. It's a debate about a video game, it's not worth getting upset about.

 

[Winter]

No hun, you know what gets old fast? Countless hate threads to many members on this very site, for having opinions. A lot of us are tired of being nice, when rabid Cleriths get butthurt that they can't prove that Cloud loves Aerith. Maybe some of us are fed up with being flamed multiple times for having opinions. Quit trying to play the victim, that shit is what is REALLY old, and you reek of that kind of shit right now. Save it, seriously. Preaching to the wrong people.

ARFSH you didn't even REPLY to my POST. I'm not trying to be TEH VICTIM, I'm saying: debating is a pain in the ass when you're the only one.

And CHRIST I have said about a million times EVERYONE in this fandom acts like a DICK when they debate and I'm sick of it. I never said it was JUST U GUISE.

I joined CxA and every thread is like a bashing thread. It's ridiculous. I got kicked out of devotion for saying that Cloud cares about Zack and Aerith equally. Apparently that's a ebil Cloti ideal! And Cloti graphics are the spawn of satan, since I got warned the first day I joined for having a Cloti/Zerith graphic. Who wants to be a part of a Forum where you have to KISS ASS to fit in?

Again, I don't make the rules. I wish I did, it would be far more awesome.

But I've never kissed ass on that forum in my life. We just all have similar opinions. :| Yeah, the forum sucks if you don't agree with us which I PERSONALLY hate, I like diversity.

But I don't run the place.

Hey, we aren't the ones that created a club called pink jackboots, dedicated to Cloti GENOCIDE. Really fucking funny, hun.

Was this me? No. :|

Don't worry, you're already irritating me CLASS A style.

:C

Not at all, you came off like you weren't being serious at all, so I didn't really treat you like a serious debator.

I'm never all the way serious about anything. Sorry?

That's so polite of you. I adore Aerith too, but I don't SEE HER in games where she isn't mentioned.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Cripes, she was in Tactics and Kingdom Hearts and I think it's cute that Square is gay for her and that's all, I'm really not saying anything too out of line.

 

[Frostwave]

selective quoting yay!

Babe, I know what the rest of the quote says. You denied that Aerith fell for Cloud because of Zack when Aerith confirms it herself.

And about the "you're different, things are different". Yeah. Aerith knew that from. the. beginning. It still did not stop her from falling for Cloud because he reminded her of Zack.

 

[Vendel]

I'm sure she'd be able to fit in like Zee and KtR just fine...

Now that is a power trio.

And I got her into this... She was asking me some questions about Dissidia that I didn't have the answers to so I told her to ask in here. I wasn't expecting her to actually DEBATE stuff, but wow she did.

You know we have a dissidia section on this forum right?