So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Vendel]

SO MUCH NO, they are not together now that shit is ridiculous.

Really now?

Really?

Then where are they? Besides the fact that at the end of AC/C it shows Cloud returned home. Also ignoring creator statements that they are still together after that.

 

[Dashell]

oh yeah NOW there's another post:

SO MUCH NO, they are not together now that shit is ridiculous.

Proof plox. What's your source on this?

 

[Winter]

By FFVIII I mean FFVIII. As in Squall and Rinoa's reunion.

because I am a genius and it's 3 am I misread that, sry. But still, Cloud was the one standing in it, and it was EXTREMELY similar to the one he and Aerith were in.​

No, Zack was his breaking point. Aerith was simply his most notable failure.

Yeah but Zack really wasn't his breaking point, he was already too fucked up at that point. Although it would make a fair argument to say that.

AND YET, the FUCKING ULTIMANIA says CLOUD IS HAPPY there. Specifically that the HAPPIER he gets, the more the guilt of his past weighs upon him.

I am not digging around Ultimania quotes right now because from where I'm standing CoT points out why C/T isn't good. Your fax are true but I am too tired to debate about this tonight, I will be back tomorrow or sometime to tackle that shit. /lazy bitch

Don't ED me, missy. They are related concepts. And parsimony is shorter than Occam's Razor.

Ahaha, but isn't Occam's razor a more familiar concept?

Guess what? Your interpretation is wrong.

If it's an interpretation it's never wrong and also I didn't say that. lololol


As for them being together, canon behavior counts far more than anything. I STILL don't see where anything says "hey guys cloud and tifa are totally bumping uglies and they're gonna get married and have a billion hideous lovechildren", but EVEN IF IT DID:

Just look at how they behave in AC and FFVII vs. Squall/Rinoa and Tidus/Yuna

If Square REALLY wanted to make C/T canon, they'd do it out and out.

 

[Dashell]

So I'll have that proof that C/T aren't living together tomorrow?

I am not digging around Ultimania quotes right now because from where I'm standing CoT points out why C/T isn't good.

Cause Cloud's happy? Oh you're a Cloud abuser like me

 

[Winter]

So I'll have that proof that C/T aren't living together tomorrow?


Cause Cloud's happy? Oh you're a Cloud abuser like me

Shinji and Misato live together and OH FUCK NEVERMIND

/evangelion


no seriously despite my jokes I actually don't think it means anything, haha.

 

[Vendel]

I am not digging around Ultimania quotes right now because from where I'm standing CoT points out why C/T isn't good. Your fax are true but I am too tired to debate about this tonight, I will be back tomorrow or sometime to tackle that shit. /lazy bitch

So you admit your wrong but you still want to argue it?

If it's an interpretation it's never wrong

Opinions are like assholes. But facts are facts.

As for them being together, canon behavior counts far more than anything. I STILL don't see where anything says "hey guys cloud and tifa are totally bumping uglies and they're gonna get married and have a billion hideous lovechildren", but EVEN IF IT DID:

Just look at how they behave in AC and FFVII vs. Squall/Rinoa and Tidus/Yuna

If Square REALLY wanted to make C/T canon, they'd do it out and out.

They have stated outright that Cloud and Tifa are together. You are just choosing to ignore it.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

But that's inconsistent. What are all the other crystals, then? Why does FFVII get to be the exception as far as random crystal Symbolism go? There's loads of specific symbolism they ignored or just missed. I mean, hell, The light and dark crystals of FFIV and the light and dark pair of Cecil and Golby, but no. Nada.
So why FFVII and none of the others? Why is it specific and all others are generic?

It depends on your point of view. The other Crystals all seem generic, but have some sort of tie to their original counterpart. OK's Crystal looks like the FF3 ones, Cecil's is a Dark Crystal, Terra's is Magicite, Zidane's Crystal is the Crystal displayed in the Crystal World, and Tidus' is a sphere. And depending on your view, the Magicite and Sphere may be Maduin and a Jecht Sphere.

The only two Crystals which aren't tied to the Crystals of the original title are Firion's and Squall's, because their games didn't have Crystals.

 

[Winter]

So you admit your wrong but you still want to argue it?

No, I admit you guys twist the fuck out of things and I don't want to get into it right now.

also your =/= you're

They have stated outright that Cloud and Tifa are together. You are just choosing to ignore it.

No, you've just twisted it to death.

Besides, if that shit were true why didn't they so much as hug in AC? :| Yeah, it's a stupid argument.

 

[Ryushikaze]

because I am a genius and it's 3 am I misread that, sry. But still, Cloud was the one standing in it, and it was EXTREMELY similar to the one he and Aerith were in.​

Squall was the one appearing with it first. And no, it really wasn't. And it already had in narrative significance. Firi's dream, natch.

Yeah but Zack really wasn't his breaking point, he was already too fucked up at that point. Although it would make a fair argument to say that.

Zack dies, Cloud's mind shatters. Fiat. QED.

I am not digging around Ultimania quotes right now because from where I'm standing CoT points out why C/T isn't good.

And CoT isn't the whole story. It is not aware of the full picture. It is not the whole story, which is finished in AC/C with Cloud overcoming his demons, protecting that which is precious to him, and returning home to his family, his comfort, his happiness.

Your fax are true but I am too tired to debate about this tonight, I will be back tomorrow or sometime to tackle that shit. /lazy bitch

We'll be waiting.

Ahaha, but isn't Occam's razor a more familiar concept?

They are related.

If it's an interpretation it's never wrong and also I didn't say that. lololol

Interpretations can be wrong.

As for them being together, canon behavior counts far more than anything. I STILL don't see where anything says "hey guys cloud and tifa are totally bumping uglies and they're gonna get married and have a billion hideous lovechildren", but EVEN IF IT DID:

Just look at how they behave in AC and FFVII vs. Squall/Rinoa and Tidus/Yuna

Look at Cecil and Rosa. Look at Vaan and Penelo.
BTW, nice job on 'hideous lovechildren'. TOTALLY helps your credibility. TOTALLY.

If Square REALLY wanted to make C/T canon, they'd do it out and out.

They have. They just don't need to make a press conference out of it.

 

[Dashell]

If Square REALLY wanted to make C/T canon, they'd do it out and out.

Yeah they'd say something like "Cloud and Tifa belong together."... oh shit that's right, they did

Or wait... they'd say that Tifa has a romantic lover (which would have to mean Cloud pretty much)... oh yeah they did that too!

okay I know what would do it... them raising a family together... yeah if they aren't raising a family they aren't together... oh... wait wait... no they ARE raising a family together

or wait how about if they said in an interview that they were together and talked about Aerith as a hypothetical... yep they did that too

would you like me to post quotes?

EDIT
also download an HQ version of Dissidia's ending but you don't really get a good shot of what Cloud's holding. I don't see why it isn't just materia though... or why it has to be holy. I mean Yuffie was more into Materia than Aerith so...

 

[Isabella]

Just look at how they behave in AC and FFVII vs. Squall/Rinoa and Tidus/Yuna

Here's a thought: Couldn't Cloud and Tifa be depicting a different form of love than S/R or T/Y? They aren't in the throes of passion/lust. They've known each other too long. They grew up next to each other. In AC, they're a couple raising two kids and running two businesses. They're not meant to be one of these couples who go running toward each other in flower fields in slo-mo, the wind in their hair. Barf. That's not what FF7 is. It's too gritty and hard-edged.

 

[Vendel]

Shinji and Misato live together and OH FUCK NEVERMIND

/evangelion


no seriously despite my jokes I actually don't think it means anything, haha.

Stop the presses. Did you just say that two adults who live together and raise children means nothing? Despite being shown no evidence through actions or statement that they are in anything but a relationship?

And having specific statements in and out of universe that puts them as a couple?

DESPITE that in any other situation other than this fucked up LTD any sane person would assume they were in a relationship until shown otherwise?

I just want to be sure that is what you are saying.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yeah they'd say something like "Cloud and Tifa belong together."... oh shit that's right, they did

Or wait... they'd say that Tifa has a romantic lover (which would have to mean Cloud pretty much)... oh yeah they did that too!

And say stuff like Cloud is her romantic interest, she's important to him...

okay I know what would do it... them raising a family together... yeah if they aren't raising a family they aren't together... oh... wait wait... no they ARE raising a family together

or wait how about if they said in an interview that they were together and talked about Aerith as a hypothetical... yep they did that too

would you like me to post quotes?

Don't forget the risque Highwind scene.

 

[Dashell]

Also if I may ask, would you be okay with your SO living with someone raising a family?

 

[Winter]

Squall was the one appearing with it first. And no, it really wasn't. And it already had in narrative significance. Firi's dream, natch.

I just assumed they all were connected? I dunno, it looks like Aerith's flowerfield to me.

Zack dies, Cloud's mind shatters. Fiat. QED.

Cloud's mind was already shattered, the poor boy was mute and retarded and just uh... not all there.

We'll be waiting.

You guys love us Clerisths.

Interpretations can be wrong.

No they can't, that's ridiculous. They can be mislead but not wrong.

Look at Cecil and Rosa. Look at Vaan and Penelo.

The fuck, Cecil and Rosa are the ones who were totally fucking at the beginning of the game. And I haven't played XII. :c

BTW, nice job on 'hideous lovechildren'. TOTALLY helps your credibility. TOTALLY.

Cripes, I was kidding. I've said the same of Cleris, it's just laughing at the idea of lovechildren in general. asdfsf jesus christ

 

[Vendel]

No, I admit you guys twist the fuck out of things and I don't want to get into it right now.

No...twisting would be syaing that someone belongs with someone else as meaning locations. Or that koi.....bito is describing personality traits. No wait it is describing her roles. Just not for Ac...but the entire compilation.

also your =/= you're

I'm sorry I can't see you with you ducking the point like that.

No they can't, that's ridiculous. They can be mislead but not wrong.

No. "Cloud is not happy with Tifa" is a completely wrong interpretation. It does not hold water with the actual story or in an argument about it. And acting like it does it laughable at best.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

No they can't, that's ridiculous. They can be mislead but not wrong.

I have to object to that. Interpretations and opinions *can* be wrong. You can "interpret" Rufus as having died in FF7, but you're wrong. When your interpretation goes against established facts, it's wrong. Like, I interpret the sky as orange. But my interpretation can't be wrong, so....

 

[Dashell]

If my opinion was the sky was purple, I'd be wrong

 

[Ryushikaze]

It depends on your point of view. The other Crystals all seem generic, but have some sort of tie to their original counterpart. OK's Crystal looks like the FF3 ones, Cecil's is a Dark Crystal,

No, it's A crystal. You can't tell if it's light or dark.

Terra's is Magicite, Zidane's Crystal is the Crystal displayed in the Crystal World, and Tidus' is a sphere. And depending on your view, the Magicite and Sphere may be Maduin and a Jecht Sphere.

May, yes. Is? Cannot be determined.

The only two Crystals which aren't tied to the Crystals of the original title are Firion's and Squall's, because their games didn't have Crystals.

Uh, FF7 and FF10 don't have 'crystals' either. And FF2 DOES have Crystals. But this is what I'm saying- all the crystals in Dissidia are related to- shock of shock- the sources of magic in the source world.

No, I admit you guys twist the fuck out of things and I don't want to get into it right now.

Pot Kettle Black.

No, you've just twisted it to death.

See above.

Besides, if that shit were true why didn't they so much as hug in AC? :| Yeah, it's a stupid argument.

Why didn't Wakka and Lulu or Cid and Sierra, or Cid and Edea, or Cid and Hildegarde, or Yang and Wife, or Cecil and Rosa hug in the sequels they appear in?

Shinji and Misato live together and OH FUCK NEVERMIND

/evangelion

Guardian/Child.
Not consenting adults with known romantic feelings.
Try Keiichi/Belldandy.

no seriously despite my jokes I actually don't think it means anything, haha.

All their friends and the creators do.

 

[Winter]

Stop the presses. Did you just say that two adults who live together and raise children means nothing? Despite being shown no evidence through actions or statement that they are in anything but a relationship?

And having specific statements in and out of universe that puts them as a couple?

DESPITE that in any other situation other than this fucked up LTD any sane person would assume they were in a relationship until shown otherwise?

I just want to be sure that is what you are saying.

Yeah, someone would assume they were in a relationship. But Square has blatanly proved that they AREN'T. They've very close and Cloud cares deeply about her, but they aren't in a relationship.

No...twisting would be syaing that someone belongs with someone else as meaning locations. Or that koi.....bito is describing personality traits. No wait it is describing her roles. Just not for Ac...but the entire compilation.

lolol that wasn't me, okay. That was FF_G you can take that shit up with her.

I go off the american translation: They say she's a sweetheart, she's a sweetheart. I don't know Japanese from a monkey's ass and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

Don't forget the risque Highwind scene.

HA HA HA, OH WOW. No seriously if you believe they fucked out there you have misunderstood both of their characters HORRIBLY.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

No, it's A crystal. You can't tell if it's light or dark.

Fourth from the left, top row. Looks pretty dark to me.

Uh, FF7 and FF10 don't have 'crystals' either. And FF2 DOES have Crystals. But this is what I'm saying- all the crystals in Dissidia are related to- shock of shock- the sources of magic in the source world.

True, but they have equivalents - Materia and spheres.

A bit off-topic too, but has anyone figured out yet what the hell Squall's Crystal is? It's been months and I still don't know. I've heard it's feathers, a draw-point, a Gunblade....

 

[Dashell]

I go off the american translation: They say she's a sweetheart, she's a sweetheart. I don't know Japanese from a monkey's ass and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

From a Japanese person guy:

That's a sense of someone translating and using the correct term, incorrectly in English. Someone might describe her as their own 'sweetheart'. Like barbershop quartet style. It does not mean 'sweetheart' in the endearing sense, "Awww, aren't you a sweetheart." And that can easily be misconstrued the sense it's used in.

An appropriate translation would be "...a lover..", since it's talking about the roles she's assumed.

 

[Vendel]

But Square has blatanly proved that they AREN'T.

WHERE? WHEN?

 

[Winter]

Pot Kettle Black.

It's the LTD.

Why didn't Wakka and Lulu or Cid and Sierra, or Cid and Edea, or Cid and Hildegarde, or Yang and Wife, or Cecil and Rosa hug in the sequels they appear in?

Wakka and Lulu had a baby.
Cid and Shera got married.

etc.

That's more than Tifa and Cloud. What I'm saying is Square gives NO EVIDENCE in-game/movie that they're anything but good friends. Whereas in other games, they give a lot more.

Guardian/Child.
Not consenting adults with known romantic feelings.
Try Keiichi/Belldandy.

ffff I was kidding she and Shinji made out even though they aren't consenting adults GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY SENSE OF HUMOR

 

[Ryushikaze]

I just assumed they all were connected? I dunno, it looks like Aerith's flowerfield to me.

How, exactly?

Cloud's mind was already shattered, the poor boy was mute and retarded and just uh... not all there.

His mind shattered. Fiat QED.

You're trying to say what is explictly true isn't.

You guys love us Clerisths.

Not when they're sanctimonious hypocrites who accuse others of doing exactly what it is they are doing.

No they can't, that's ridiculous. They can be mislead but not wrong.

They can be COMPLETELY WRONG. EASILY.

The fuck, Cecil and Rosa are the ones who were totally fucking at the beginning of the game. And I haven't played XII. :c

And do we SEE them doing anything? No. We don't NEED to? SO WHY DO WE NEED SO FOR FFVII?

Cripes, I was kidding. I've said the same of Cleris, it's just laughing at the idea of lovechildren in general. asdfsf jesus christ

... What is absurd about a couple deciding to have kids?

Yeah, someone would assume they were in a relationship. But Square has blatanly proved that they AREN'T. They've very close and Cloud cares deeply about her, but they aren't in a relationship.

Based on? Despite all the discussion of their relationships and statements that use phrases primarily used when discussing couples?

lolol that wasn't me, okay. That was FF_G you can take that shit up with her.

I would, were she not a coward.
In the future, attribute your quotes of others.

I go off the american translation: They say she's a sweetheart, she's a sweetheart. I don't know Japanese from a monkey's ass and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

She's a sweetheart, yes. SOMEONE'S sweetheart.
The definition of sweetheart that coincides with the actual meaning of the original word.
Don't hide behind your ignorance like it's actually a shield.

HA HA HA, OH WOW. No seriously if you believe they fucked out there you have misunderstood both of their characters HORRIBLY.

You misunderstand the end of the world and overhwelming emotions and the definition of risque and hell, everything.

Weren't you leaving for the night?