So, what do you think the LTD conclusion is? (Round 2)

[Super Mario]

I wanted him to score Tifa (or balloon girl as I called her back then) because she seemed kind of friendly in the cutscenes. He said it's a stupid idea ironically.

 

[Ladyofmoonlight]

Something just came to me. How is it that the pinkers say Tifa is clingy, but not Aerith? Wasn't Aerith the one who magically appeared in front of Cloud when he tried to get away from her? And who insisted on staying by him when he just wanted her away from the danger? Someone who doesn't have the excuse of actually knowing Cloud like Tifa does.

I asked that question once. I believe my answer was something like "well, you have to understand where Aerith is coming from bla bla bla had a hard life bla bla bla can't blame her bla bla bla totally understandable bla bla bla Tifa's the one who should know better!

 

[Super Mario]

a desperate notion to keep the Clerith glue together.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Something just came to me. How is it that the pinkers say Tifa is clingy, but not Aerith? Wasn't Aerith the one who magically appeared in front of Cloud when he tried to get away from her? And who insisted on staying by him when he just wanted her away from the danger? Someone who doesn't have the excuse of actually knowing Cloud like Tifa does.

And of course lives inside his body like a spiritual parasite (according to the tards).

Because Aerith can do no wrong, and Tifa exists to be spit upon by fate and Cloud.

@Vendel: this is such a mystery to me. It's because Aerith acted that way that I really disliked her. Because she kept jumping on Cloud every time, even when my Cloud kept ignoring her

@Raquel: I'm quite a noob, but I heard from a friend that the LTD was very bloody back in the days. Since then, she avoids fandoms because of this.

It was quite bloody. And the pinkers were not as terribly thin skinned now as they are now. They were vicious. No less wrong, but more directly insulting and even less hesitant to just make shit up to win.

 

[Isabella]

Reading about so much noise as clinginess, Cait's predictions, Aerith's ribbon, who the buster sword really belongs to, how bitchy Tifa was as a child, etc etc, it makes me realize that the majority of LTD discussion has nothing to do with the actual debate -- who Cloud's in a relationship with, if anyone -- and everything to do with which girl people prefer.

 

[Vendel]

So we all know that the last we see of Aerith she is leaving with Zack going back into the light. So when exactly did she spirit STD cloud?


If this is to be believed shouldn't the last scene of the movie looked a little more like this?

 

[Ryushikaze]

Reading about so much noise as clinginess, Cait's predictions, Aerith's ribbon, who the buster sword really belongs to, how bitchy Tifa was as a child, etc etc, it makes me realize that the majority of LTD discussion has nothing to do with the actual debate -- who Cloud's in a relationship with, if anyone -- and everything to do with which girl people prefer.

Nail on the head. Most of the LTD really has Jack all to do with the real question at hand- which is pretty much entirely one sided, there being only one girl Cloud has been said to have 'love' for, to have 'realized [his] feelings for', 'open his heart to', have risque dialogue with, ETC. ETC. ETC.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Reading about so much noise as clinginess, Cait's predictions, Aerith's ribbon, who the buster sword really belongs to, how bitchy Tifa was as a child, etc etc, it makes me realize that the majority of LTD discussion has nothing to do with the actual debate -- who Cloud's in a relationship with, if anyone -- and everything to do with which girl people prefer.

Nail on the head. Most of the LTD really has Jack all to do with the real question at hand- which is pretty much entirely one sided, there being only one girl Cloud has been said to have 'love' for, to have 'realized [his] feelings for', 'open his heart to', have risque dialogue with, ETC. ETC. ETC.

Pretty much it right there. At least at this point.

Once upon a time -- say, before 2005 -- there was more to it than that. But now that's what it comes down to: which chick is preferred.

 

[Vossler]

So we all know that the last we see of Aerith she is leaving with Zack going back into the light. So when exactly did she spirit STD cloud?


If this is to be believed shouldn't the last scene of the movie looked a little more like this?

ROFL. You know, Bill Murry sums it up right there He slimed me!

 

[Dashell]

Pretty much it right there. At least at this point.

Once upon a time -- say, before 2005 -- there was more to it than that. But now that's what it comes down to: which chick is preferred.

Yuffie?

 

[Celes Chere]

Woah, the LTD is still going on? XD Seems pretty quiet out there to me!

 

[Colours]

Oh shit. 20 vs 120. Talk about going down. xD


It's definitely Tifa for me. People here have stated so many good opinions on this pairing, and it's just been as clear as black and white to me that it's been Cloti from the start.

 

[Vossler]

Woah, the LTD is still going on? XD Seems pretty quiet out there to me!

You know this debate will never end Celes

 

[Super Mario]

Aerith slimed me!

 

[Mantichorus]

CiC-Cloud was mostly himself during FFVII
SE-Cloud be messed up

Actually, I agree with CiC here... kinda.

Cloud was himself in VII - after Mideel became a giant swimming pool. Before then? Not so much.

Oh shit. 20 vs 120. Talk about going down. xD

20 vs 121, actually.

 

[Vendel]

Actually, I agree with CiC here... kinda.

Cloud was himself in VII - after Mideel became a giant swimming pool. Before then? Not so much.

Don't ever agree with them.

The position used to be that Cloud was mostly himself during disk 1. And that is what Aerith fell in love with. Then all these official statements come out saying Cloud was really messed up on disk 1 (DUR) so they modified it. NOW Aerith could see the real Cloud anyways and fell in love with that.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Ja, even though it explicitly states that she acted the way she did towards Cloud cause of her ex.

 

[Mantichorus]

Don't ever agree with them.

I agree with what they say, although not necessarily what they meant.

The position used to be that Cloud was mostly himself during disk 1. And that is what Aerith fell in love with. Then all these official statements come out saying Cloud was really messed up on disk 1 (DUR) so they modified it. NOW Aerith could see the real Cloud anyways and fell in love with that.

Cos, of course, the whole game was actually a vision of Aerith's, as is proved with the way the game ends. What, didn't everyone know that?

 

[Ryushikaze]

So, apparently, even though it's not out yet, certain camps are saying FF13 is chock full of C/A parallels.
I'm sure everyone's heard about the 'Lightning- The female Cloud- is voiced by Aerith and her hair is pink' one, which always strikes me as saying more about them being similar than it does them being ZOMFG true love if it's saying ANYTHING.
(Yes, It's strawberry blonde. Certain people are calling it pink)
There's a new one, though. Snow and Lightning are talking about Lightning's little sister Serah, who Snow is engaged to (at least he is in this stage of development) with Snow asking Lightning if they can meet Serah again, and Lightning assenting that they can.
Now, this is being touted as C/A, and a parallel to the 'think can meet' of the final FMV in 7. Now, assuming it's actually a parallel to the end of 7, Lightning- the She Cloud- isn't romantically linked to anyone, Snow Villers- her unarmed specialist ally- is the one romantically interested in someone, and is, like Tifa, the one to express the intent. Lightning, like Cloud, merely represents the capability. Lastly, Lightning's little sister, Serah, is the Ms. Macguffin with special powers of FF13.
So, again, assuming that this scene IS supposed to be a reference to 7's end, what do we learn from it? That Cloud is Aerith's elder sibling, and Tifa is the one with the romantic interest in her.

So...
AerTi for the win, anyone?

Seriously, though, do they not see how affirming that Lightning is female Cloud while noting that the interactions between her ally and her little sister are TTLY C/A hurt their cause? It's basically affirming that 'Cloud has absolutely nothing to do with this relationship,' which is, IF we're seeing this as 'reference,' kind of a clever and cruel way to yet again whiz in the pink cornflakes.

 

[Makoeyes987]

You've got to be shitting me.

You're gonna need to post links for me to believe such absurdity. Extraordinary claims of stupidity require evidence.

 

[Eerie]

Why can't a story just be that, a story? Why does it have to be paralleled to x, y, z? Don't they think that it cheapens their story, to see it everywhere? Isn't uniqueness a good traits nowadays? I thought it was.


They should stop comparing stories that aren't meant to be compared, seriously. ~___~ That you can compare some scenes to highlight a motive, a point, why not; to think they're similar, parallels even when it's not the same story? BS. Parallels are awesome to use for a writer... in the scope of ONE story, that is. At most, you'll have easter eggs included in other stories, but that's about it. To look out ferociously for any nod at your pairing in other stories makes me think that you don't have anything to say about YOUR pairing.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

I'm sure everyone's heard about the 'Lightning- The female Cloud- is voiced by Aerith and her hair is pink' one..

Did someone seriously say this? Did someone seriously say this?? Time to cull some idiots for the sake of the collective intelligence of our species.

 

[Isabella]

This is on par with the monkeys.

I guess when SE shoots your fantasies to hell through official sources there's nothing left to do but play Blue's Clues.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I still want to see the link for myself

 

[Isabella]

I found it easily enough at the pink place.

What I really want to know is when a certain shipper is going to answer everyone's question at TNC. She sort of ran away from that conversation, didn't she?