Spoony versus FFX

[Alessa Gillespie]

BECAUSE EVERYONE FINDS OUT THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE IS A LIE WHILE THEY'RE NOTHING MORE THAN AN IMAGINARY PERSON WITH SHITTY PARENTS AND NO HOME TO GO BACK TO, WHO'S GONNA VANISH ONCE THE BIG OLE DEATH WHALE WAKES UP, AMIRITE?

At least Auron's dead. Tidus doesn't fucking exist.

WELL CLEARLY JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T EXIST DOESN'T MEAN HE GETS TO WHINE ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

I liked Tidus, he was at the very least relatable. I mean, here's some guy who is suddenly transplanted from his world, which everyone tells him doesn't exist, determined to get home, finds out his dad is the big bad killing everyone in the world, oh, and by the way, he's just a dream lol. All of his reactions are pretty realistic, at least in comparison to Cloud Strife, who's bugfuck crazy for a sizeable chunk of the game and Squall Doucheface, who has no redeeming qualities that I could find in the first disc.

 

[Makoeyes987]

WELL CLEARLY JUST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T EXIST DOESN'T MEAN HE GETS TO WHINE ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

FUCKER NEEDS TO BUCK UP AND FADE AWAY LIKE A MAN.

Whining about not existing. Fucking pussy.

I liked Tidus, he was at the very least relatable. I mean, here's some guy who is suddenly transplanted from his world, which everyone tells him doesn't exist, determined to get home, finds out his dad is the big bad killing everyone in the world, oh, and by the way, he's just a dream lol. All of his reactions are pretty realistic, at least in comparison to Cloud Strife, who's bugfuck crazy for a sizeable chunk of the game and Squall Doucheface, who has no redeeming qualities that I could find in the first disc.

Oh shi- You're making too much sense here. Run! You're gonna get your posts reverse quoted by Spoony fans and thus you'll lose The Game.

Tidus non-relatable. Rite.

 

[Dashell]

BECAUSE EVERYONE FINDS OUT THEIR ENTIRE EXISTENCE IS A LIE WHILE THEY'RE NOTHING MORE THAN AN IMAGINARY PERSON WITH SHITTY PARENTS AND NO HOME TO GO BACK TO, WHO'S GONNA VANISH ONCE THE BIG OLE DEATH WHALE WAKES UP, AMIRITE?

He didn't find this out until much later. I mean hell before he even came to Spira he was whining about his dad.

The game didn't explain the fiend thing well. Machaen is running around for damn near 1000 years. So were Shuyin and Lenne (I think I'm spelling names wrong sorry) .Why did they need to send the dead in Kilika so quickly if it takes a long time to become fiends? What's the rush?

More to come later

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

The game didn't explain the fiend thing well. Machaen is running around for damn near 1000 years. Why did they need to send the dead in Kilika so quickly if it takes a long time to become fiends? What's the rush?

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Propaganda, clearly. Tell everyone if they don't get sent immediately, they will turn into fiends, have only special religious people who can send them, become theocracy.

 

[Joker]

It's called peace of mind, you absolute mong.

And yeah, his father treated him like shit, then disappeared, causing his mother to not want to live anymore, then die. Not at ALL a good reason to hate him.

Also note that he wasn't whining, he looked at a giant sign of him, gave a grunt of disgust, then kept walking. *is currently playing the game*

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Also note that he wasn't whining, he looked at a giant sign of him, gave a grunt of disgust, then kept walking. *is currently playing the game*

not to mention his dad keeps showing up as Sin in the game. OH WAIT HIS DAD BEING A HIDEOUS FLESHBEAST WHO BROUGHT HIM TO SPIRA IN THE FIRST PLACE IS NOT A REASON FOR HIM TO COMPLAIN MY BAD.

 

[Makoeyes987]

The game didn't explain the fiend thing well. Machaen is running around for damn near 1000 years. Why did they need to send the dead in Kilika so quickly if it takes a long time to become fiends? What's the rush?

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No, it explained it perfectly well. You just keep asking questions the game answers or demonstrates quite explicitly.

An unsent's "unlife" depends on their will, emotions and the circumstance of their death. Those who die a violent, tragic, abrupt end (e.g. getting suddenly torn apart by Sin) usually turn into fiends quickly due to the violence and suddenness of their deaths. Those who have a particular attachment to the world remain until it is resolved. Maybe if you paid attention you would have gathered that.

Lulu: You truly are clueless. Are you sure it's your memory that's the problem?
The dead need guidance. Filled with grief over their own death, they refuse to
face their fate. They yearn to live on, and resent those still alive. You see,
they envy the living. And in time, that envy turns to anger, even hate. Should
these souls remain in Spira, they become fiends that prey on the living. Sad,
isn't it? The sending takes them to the Farplane, where they may rest in peace.

Yuna: I don't understand how a man like Lord Jyscal could die and not be sent.

Lulu: I would think that he was sent once...but he stayed on Spira. Something,
a powerful emotion could have bound him to this world. Such things happen.

Rikku: That's against the rules, isn't it?

Auron: It means he died an unclean death.

 

[ForceStealer]

How quickly unsent turn into fiends depends upon the person's willpower. You keep your form by force of will. Weak-minded individuals will turn into fiends faster. (EDIT: Dammit, Mako)

Yeah, the only thing. Yup. He totally didn't fucking change the way Spira dealt with Sin or anything.

This. Excellent point. How is he not a protagonist that has an affect on the story when it is his influence, his unwillingness to cope with loss (the very thing that people hate him for) that breaks a thousand-year-long massacre and worldwide cover-up?
That's bullshit.

 

[Joker]

My question is more that of how the unsent Maesters/Auron/etc manage to resist The Sending.

Or why Auron has to avoid the Farplan. Would it be cause the pyreflies would be noticeable? (and why AREN'T they to begin with, anyway?)

 

[looneymoon]

It seems to be when it comes to characters dealing with emotional issues, they're written off as whiny. Even if... they don't really whine all that much. The plot just spends a lot of time focussing on their problems. There tends to be a confusion. It isn't limited to Tidus either, I've seen it happen in basically every other fandom I've been in.

I disliked Tidus because he was pretty obnoxious. That changed over time, which is what really matters. His daddy issues didn't really bother me, I just found other aspects of the story more interesting is all

To be honest, I found Wakka to be a more loathsome character. I never did warm up to him even after he started to change his ways. I guess he never really did anything to endear me, idk.

 

[Joker]

Whaaaaat

You mean bigotry, persecution, and hatemongering isn't charming?

MADNESS

 

[ForceStealer]

Honestly I think people give Wakka an unnecessarily hard time too. He had a lot to overcome. However many years of being trained to think that the Al Bhed were barbarians, and more importantly, the Al Bhed having a direct role in the death of his older brother.

And he DID overcome it. That's damn impressive, so give him a break.

 

[Joker]

I often feel that people give white supremacists a hard time, too.

 

[ForceStealer]

If people still give them shit for being one after they not only overcome their ways, but put their lives at risk to put an end to the establishment of what mislead them in the first place? Yeah, me too.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Omega made me lol.

But Wakka did change. I used to think he was a dumb shit too, but the fact he changed his ways, spoke volumes.

Not many people ever get to the point of ever questioning themselves or their values. Let alone changing them and admitting they were wrong.

When he apologized to Yuna and Rikku, that was the turning point and I knew Wakka was a man. That made me respect and like him a lot.

 

[Alex]

Wakka goes on one of the best and most realised characters in the entire story. I've had this belief for a long, long time. After Tidus and Yuna, his is the character who goes on the most significant journey and undergoes the most development. He's without a doubt massively underrated, and that's pretty sad. But, pretty easy to understand given that he does say some appallingly stupid things sometimes and has a ridiculous hairstyle. People often just take these things at face value and don't bother really recognising the parts of his character that are pretty amazingly well done.

 

[Lord Noctis]

It's never enough, he needs more and more


That is one thing driving me NUTS. I hate how people don't know how to say his name.




It's supposed to be stupid and ridiculous. That's how Spoony roles (I guess I've only seen this one review, but from what I've heard XD). The Nostalgia Critic is the same way. If you can't understand that, you shouldn't watch it.

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Iff FFX is the only spoony thing you've seen you need to watch his other stuff. Spoony is generally here to be goofy and (most of the time) funny. But he also ussually bothers to make sure he knows what he's talking about, such as in his FFVIII review, or his Highlander 2 review, his Pumpkin head review, and any given written review he's submitted.

The FFX review falls far below his normal standards, and the more I think on it the more I don't like this review. The one aspect that my appreciation of has not decreased for is the sub plot with Black Lantern Spoony.

 

[Joker]

I'd like to note that I actually really like what they did with Wakka. I just don't like Wakka, the man.

 

[TheHammerOf...JUSTICE]

Honestly you guys should check out his swat 4 lp. I personally find it to be one of his best series of vids despite his lack of snark. He plays the game very seriously and doesn't really use any of his characters like Dr. Insano. He also dies a shit load in several of the later vids... so much that he usually collects his best deaths and turns them into a short music video. He made me wish I had gotten swat 4.

I'm waiting for his next episode of deadly premonition to.

 

[ForceStealer]

And if you don't like the character you don't like the character. But, referring to Wakka, the "man," to hold being a bigot against him isn't really fair considering he went above and beyond to try and make up for it. Actually, its a bit hypocritical.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Honestly I think people give Wakka an unnecessarily hard time too. He had a lot to overcome. However many years of being trained to think that the Al Bhed were barbarians, and more importantly, the Al Bhed having a direct role in the death of his older brother.

And he DID overcome it. That's damn impressive, so give him a break.

See, I don't get why Lulu doesn't have the same attitude. If it's supposed to be a small-island mentality, why does she not share his hatred as well? At the very least, he's way more vocal about how much he hates the Al Behd.

 

[Makoeyes987]

See, I don't get why Lulu doesn't have the same attitude. If it's supposed to be a small-island mentality, why does she not share his hatred as well? At the very least, he's way more vocal about how much he hates the Al Behd.

Because Lulu isn't an ignorant or stupid. She's open minded.

Not everyone becomes a stereotype of their environment, thankfully.

 

[Max Payne]

Also, Lulu knew of Yuna's Al Bhediness and knew it had no bearing on who she was.

 

[Joker]

And if you don't like the character you don't like the character. But, referring to Wakka, the "man," to hold being a bigot against him isn't really fair considering he went above and beyond to try and make up for it. Actually, its a bit hypocritical.

I said that I like the character =/ As in, I agree with what Alex said, and that that's always been my opinion.

Just because I like the journey doesn't mean I have to like the guy taking it. How is it hypocritical to dislike someone for being a bigot, even if they "tried to make up for it"? Doesn't change the actions they took, or the results. It's commendable that he did, sure, but it doesn't change the fact that he said and did some fucked up things.

And there's more to his character than bigotry. Might try floating that through around inside the ol' noggin before you start calling people hypocrites.

 

[Max Payne]

I still don't believe for a second that Lulu would fall for someone like Wakka.