sorry i wasnt able to get on the computer recently :/ i've only be able to talk to you now.
this is also a long post: longer than my previous one on page 6. so you have been warned >.>
SO:
Can't prove them wrong cause they, like me and you are SPECULATING. I know that when I played Crisis Core he said "why am I talking about this", telling me that he found it funny that he reminicing rather then laughing at the idea of having a father. But the people at the wikia are free to interpret it otherwise. They don't come here to correct my opinion giving their wikia as source.
i wasnt speculating. you are. i quoted something from a website. i didnt say it out of my "speculation." in fact, in my opinion i dont even know WHY he was laughing if you want my "speculation". i realized what it meant on the wikia. not by my own means. stop trying to insist i make opinions when i dont. i quote from the games and websites. thats all.
I AM going to need a source for this whole "left-brained introvert" thing you insist on mentioning as the main idea behind Sephiroth's character.
http://thelifestream.net/lifestream-projects/translations/523/sephiroth-character-profile-p76-81/
Anyway an actual translation of something the actual writers put forwards offers the following.
"In CC Sephiroth’s behavior and words often show a human side to him; he jokes, and even smiles softly at times such as in this scene."
Among CC cast he is not singled out as the seemingly humourless one or having an odd or lacking sense of humour.
sure.
(
http://www.quietlyfabulous.com/2011/01/05/not-all-introverts-are-the-same/)
"If you’re a left-brained introvert, you are more likely to analyze pros and cons before taking action, base facts on decision, not sentimentality, like to categorize and are comfortable with words and numbers.
I found this statement really intriguing:
“It is important for introverts to know their brain dominance to understand themselves better. I think left-brained introverts may be more comfortable living life as in introvert. They may have fewer social needs, so they may not be as conflicted over spending time alone. Often they are more verbal and logical than right-brained introverts, so they are able to succeed better at school, work, and in meetings.”
She also says:
“Since right-brained introverts feel more emotions and see the big picture, they may feel quite sensitive about their differences.”
I’m definitely a left-brained introvert. Although I’ve always known that I viewed social situations differently than just about anyone else, it never really bothered me. Frankly, I often don’t care what others think about me (which can occasionally be a bad thing). But I can’t imagine how difficult it must be for right-brained introverts, who may be so much more aware of the social pressure to be extroverted."
its really funny because she notes the book i have in my house lol.
furthermore: (pages 89-92) "The left brain is one of the main reason we have been a successful species. If your left brain mind is dominant, you handle information very different than right brainers. Left brained folks process one thing at a time, and if they have a series of tasks to do, the like to finish one before starting another. They are often list makers......They rely more on short term memory, repetition, and verbal skills..... They are tidy, methodical and punctual...
They value written and verbal information."
there is more, but ill stop here. wasnt there multiple points when sephiroth was investigating on his friends and he was reading up on them, and he was also reading up on himself in the library?
also: "They tend to think in concrete ways, as if they are processing data. They like reduce information to logical sections. In decision they are not so influenced by emotions.
If they have a sense humor, it will be more in the witty of sarcastic department....They may have fewer social needs and or often focused on a career or hobby. They may use denial or obsessive thinking as a way to protect themselves from anxiety.
" If you are left brained introverted, you may tend to:
*Analyze pros and cons before taking action
*Be neat and tidy
*Base decisions on facts, no sentimentality
*Give concrete examples when describing something
.......
*Not to pick up on social cues easily
*Be comfortable with words and numbers"
of course sephiroth doesnt EXACTLY fit the personality. its final fantasy after all. but he does fit some of it. reading, acts extremely professional, doesnt really want social connected that much, his humor is sarcastic and maybe even "witty", and doesnt mainly act out on emotions. which is why tifa found him "cold". even more so, the wikia describes him somewhat of what the book says.
"Sephiroth is cold and ruthless. Prior to his madness, he was not particularly anti-social, as he has friends in Crisis Core -Final Fantasy VII- and willingly tells Zack, and Tifa about Mako and Materia on Mt. Nibel. All the same
, his cold exterior and professional attitude turned people away. Sephiroth is intelligent and respectful to those he deems worthy......"
notice that the author said "they are NOT SO influenced by emotions" meaning that the dont MAINLY or fully react out of emotions, but they sometimes may do. if you agree sephy was a L.B.I you would see that this person that doest even react out of emotion that much an doesnt need social stability, and is doing a lot to save/get back his friends, he MUST have some serious connections/feelings to them.
Again, DoC starts for Genesis even LATER. He does not appear in DoC until the very end showing what he does with Weiss who fell into his cave after being defeated by Vincent three years after Meteorfall. There are no other scenes with him besides that in DoC.
very well then. i cant say much because im only on part 10-12 of dirge of cerbrus. lol
I didn't say we needed him on his knees or crying or shouting. Him asking them to come back even once would be good. There is most definitely nothing of the sort. ZACK does a more active job of trying to persuade Genesis to change his mind and he never met the guy prior to defecting and turning most of SOLDIER into his mindless slave army. You say that Sephiroth appealed to Genesis first time he saw him.
because zach is an extrovert! lol dude you are proving my point! i cant believe this! cant you see the OBVIOUS personality gap between them? sephiroth wanted his friends just as much as zach wanted angeal. they just displayed it differently. whenever zach meets someone and they smile once at him he automatically counts them as his friend. there is nothing wrong with this. its just his personality. sephiroth just didnt display his want for his friends like zach did.
You say that Sephiroth appealed to Genesis first time he saw him.
and there you are on the "you say" again....
i didnt "say" anything. i QUOTED it.
this is what i said on page 6:
oh and have you forgotten? did you forget that sephiroth was going to QUIT shin-ra-THE PLACE WHERE HE PLACED HIS ABSOLUTE LOYALTY AT- all for finding and saving genesis, some dude that "hardly classes as a friend?" genesis believing in the LOVELESS poem also proves he believed sephiroth as a friend. he was convinced the "mysterious three" from the poem was he,angeal,and sephiroth. and they were (oh lookie here) ALL FRIENDS. genesis said this too many times for a fool to forget. from the japanese version and i quote " The three FRIENDS are now gathered. One becomes the prisoner. One will take flight. The last remaining FRIEND becomes the hero." and when sephiroth replied with "That's quite the story" genesis asked "If this were a play, would I take the role of a hero (the hero is a FRIEND), or would you?" this is when sephiroth even goes to the point of appealing with genesis and says "You can be the hero if you want." in his way of saying "i dont care about my fame as a "hero". is this what you wanted all along? than take it. now come back." this is proven when genesis says "Your fame originally should have been mine" and sephiroth replies with "How pointless." and i guess a guy that "hardly classes a friend" deserves sephiroth (joined by angeal) READILY VOLUNTEERING to heal him. and i guess a guy that "hardly classes as a friend" made sephiroth look to the ground in hurt and dismal whenever someone spoke of angeal/genesis or angeal AND genesis. i mean, pfft. yeah. clear as day. totally. genesis clearly wasnt his friend.
also if you want "proof" on extroversion look at this: {
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion#Extraversion }
"Extraversion is "the act, state, or habit of being predominantly concerned with and obtaining gratification from what is outside the self".[4] Extroverts tend to enjoy human interactions and to be enthusiastic, talkative, assertive, and gregarious. They take pleasure in activities that involve large social gatherings, such as parties, community activities, public demonstrations, and business or political groups. Politics, teaching, sales, managing and brokering are fields that favor extroversion. An extroverted person is likely to enjoy time spent with people and find less reward in time spent alone. They tend to be energized when around other people, and they are more prone to boredom when they are by themselves."
this is JUST how zach acts. so yes, zach does display his wanting his friends a lot more than sephiroth, but that is because his personality is "out" more than of "in". sephiroth and zach shared the same passion. it was just different ways.
"Loveless again? You never change."
"It's all yours"
"How petty."
You say declining to fight them proves that he was gonna leave Shinra to save Genesis. Cloud declines from fighting Sephiroth in Dissidia. Are they BFFs too? For that matter, Genesis picks fights with Angeal during Crisis Core. If Sephiroth refusal to partake in the nonsense if proof of his friendship, why doesn't that mean anything?
no i didnt "say" that. if you want to talk about people saying things you dont agree with talk to S/E about it. i only quote of what they say. i dont look at my views and then apply them to fact. and no, cloud declining sephiroth at a battle doesnt mean they were friends because guess what? THEY NEVER WERE. (ZOMG WHO KNEW?!?!?!?!) and im not talking about cloud. im talking about SEPHIROTH. i didnt "say" sephiroth denying the mission MADE them friends or it MEANT they were friends. i quoted it yet again. the game, whether in english or japanese, says sephiroth denied the mission to kill his friends BECAUSE they were previously friends. really, cloud, sephiroth and dissidia have nothing in relation to what the game says save for the fact that they are both in it. try harder. also, if sephiroth was never friends with them why would he deny a mission on two people he doesnt care about? logically he would have obeyed instantly. what reason
would he have if he denied the mission? he just didnt feel like it? he was lazy?
You say Sephiroth was gonna leave Shinra for Genesis. If that's what it takes to save him then please tell me what he was waiting for? When Genesis launched an all out attack in Shinra HQ, Sephiroth stayed with Shinra. When Genesis launched a second attack on Shinra HQ, Sephiroth stayed with Shinra. Eventually Zack seemingly kills Genesis and Angeal for Shinra and Sephiroth stays with them. At Junon Sephiroth learns Genesis might still be alive and Genesis are attacking Mako Reactor around the world, he stays with Shinra. He went to Nibelheim ON SHINRA orders.
Declining mission orders is one thing, he's Sephiroth he knows he can get away with it, I don't see much evidence he was gonna go all out rogue and live the rest of life in hiding for Genesis' sake.
And again him saying he might leave Shinra of his own accord is not what the japanese version said as far as I know. And then there's the elephant in the room: Sephiroth ultimately DID tell Genesis he can rot at Nibelheim. Leaving Genesis to remark that he was a monster indeed. Were they BFFs then too?
this was more of a "last chance" for genesis. sephiroth gave genesis one last try, but then he ruined it by calling him a "monster" and calling him out on JENOVA and muffing up his mind with random information.
(it also should be noticed that genesis also called himself a monster and sephiroth listened to him anyway by researcing the library lol)
also i never said they were tight thugs until the VERY END. my point the entire time was that they they WERE very close friends. people says they "never were" and i just corrected it that with what S/E said. i wasnt trying to prove that at the end of it all they were still chums. my argument is that they WERE very close best friends, no matter how our opinions see it they were because S/E made it that way. he, angeal, and genesis. you are on the website the translates genesis's profile for pete's sake!
"As for how Genesis regards Sephiroth, it is more than they are friends who get along well, outstripping that feeling is the idea that they are worthy rivals."
http://thelifestream.net/lifestream...acter-profile-from-the-crisis-core-ultimania/)
this is on THIS VERY SITE!
like i said, he wasnt trying to kill sephiroth lol! its so ridiculous to claim BEST FRIENDS would go and run off and kill on each other. i have said multiple times that they were rivaling each other and everybody ignored me: as if i was making things up or something. or maybe because i quoted from the "final fantasy wikia" and it "couldnt be counted". maybe if i quote from this very site you'll believe me.
it also said:
"Originally for Genesis, it was the heroic actions of Sephiroth – a SOLDIER who is around the same age of him – that inspired him to join the organization. However, after he defects from ShinRa, Genesis tells Sephiroth, “I should have received your fame.” For Genesis and Sephiroth, it seems that there is something connecting them from before either joined SOLDIER."
this was AFTER their close relationship in CC, and even then genesis still claims angeal and sephiroth as friends (read my 1st post on page 6).
again my point is that they WERE friends. and sephiroth was trying to gain that back but in the end just stopped, when genesis told him about himself and junk.
even more so from the same link:
"He tries to lure his
childhood friend Angeal to his rebellious ideology.
stop denying the game. just stop. arguing me is arguing S/E. all im doing is quoting everything they have displayed in the game. and it doesnt matter about out opinions on the matter (what you think im doing but actually you are). S/E placed in the game and ultimania MULTIPLE TIMES that they were close and best friends! why do you refuse to admit this?
also i want to settle this here and now. you keep saying "you say" as if i am using my own opinion for the matter or giving random unknown scenes in the games and calling it true. i dont know what you think im doing but i am not. i am using FACTS. and even if my facts are wrong, i am mistaken, not opinionated, because i am defending genesis' case on an UN-OPINIONATED heart in the first place.
If that same person had already murdered your entire hometown, his own parents who you know, led your own mother to take her own life and turned most of your fellow SOLDIERs into mindless clones of himself, started a bloody war on the only governing body or the world and was also already dying and was mostly preoccupied with taking as many people with him. Then actually no, I'd like to believe I'd indeed want him to be put down before he does anymore harm. And as Angeal said he needed to help Zack reach a mindset where he could take Angeals life too because he can't selfterminate as per his honor code or something.
then what was the use of you noting angeal saying "I should have killed Genesis"?????? i dont get it : (
"In Sephiroth and Angeals STEAD" and "for Sephiroth and Angeals sake" (which is what you used to say) are two very different things.
i quite agree. but here's the thing. i didnt say that at all. i quoted "stead" like i always have. re-read my 2nd post on page 6. if you think i edited it to erase my mistakes so i dont look stupid you can check at the bottom. there is no notice that i did anything. you must have misread or something.
Yes, Sephiroth and Angeal are no longer here, yes that makes Genesis one of the most powerful beings on the Planet left and yes, the Planet certainly needs protecting (rather more then Genesis ultimately seems to notice but nevermind that) but being the hero Sephiroth is the world was his plan even before ever meeting the guy. This doesn't neccesarily indicate anything more then that he indeed regained his SOLDIER honour and wants to be force for good again.
"Stead
Noun
The place or role that someone or something should have or fill: "to be appointed in his stead".
why would genesis do something in angeal and sephiroth's stead if he "never acted like a friend" or "was never their friend" or however you display it?
genesis realized how stupid he acted and basically killed his own friends and tried to make up for it by taking up their stead.
but that cant be said with backed up proof. out of all i've said, this is the on thing that i admit is 100% my opinion.
but again why would genesis take something up with friends he was never with in the first place?
And again, this could be a wikia writer stating his opinion or personal analysis or just adding prose to a too bland summary or something.
or it couldnt. you can say that, but while i at least have some type of proof to back up, false or not, you just have your denial. no offence at all, but
do you have any proof that the quote i said "doesnt necessarily indicate anything more than that" with other quotes or anything?
i could be wrong with this quote or i could be right. i dont really care. if you have any proof please give it to me so i can change to the correct proof. : D
