The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Edley]

Sometimes I wonder what the story would have been like had Aerith and Tifa been switched around (in terms of taking a dirt nap)... would Aerith's character gotten as much development as Tifa? Would she feel the same way about the "real Cloud"? Could she have even found him in the first place? I think the point I'm trying to make is that Cloud could still be the hero without Aerith but I don't see him pulling it off without Tifa.

 

[Tennyo]

You make a very good point, Edley. Tifa plays a key role in Cloud's development and coming around in order to save the day. Aerith really seems to only serve as a tool to further mess him up. She probably could have been replaced by anyone.

Not that she doesn't have her own role in the story. I mean, how would Holy be handled without her? But Cloud's slow decline could have gone in a million other ways, and not much is really said relating her to his recovery. That aspect as all Tifa.

 

[Isabella]

It really is a shame that Cloud sees Tifa as nothing but an annoying gnat, and pines away for the woman he knew two weeks. Tifa deserves better after all she's done for him.

 

[namakemono]

It really is a shame that Cloud sees Tifa as nothing but an annoying gnat, and pines away for the woman he knew two weeks. Tifa deserves better after all she's done for him.

*nods nods* But what can you do? Tifa loves the man, and she shall cling to him forever. How..very tragic.

 

[Isabella]

After 10 years of delusion, I've finally seen the light guys. I'm totally a Clerith now.

Seriously, this makes ACC so much more enjoyable! When Sephiroth

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is slicing, dicing and making julienne fries, I can now cheer! Because Cloud is such a self-centered asshole!

Yay!

 

[Ryushikaze]

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Bella is hawt for utter assholes who neglect current relationships to make doe eyes for the dead. I'm not sure whether to begin deprogramming or start capitalizing on her newfound love of prats. Input?

 

[Edley]

You know even if they left in a chocobo stable scene, I'd bet those pinkers would just say Tifa conned him into a pityfuck.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Pretty much.

 

[Shadowfox]

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Bella is hawt for utter assholes who neglect current relationships to make doe eyes for the dead. I'm not sure whether to begin deprogramming or start capitalizing on her newfound love of prats. Input?

Capitalise for maximum monies. Then deprogramme for more monies. You shall be as Square-Enix, young grasshopper. Ultimately, a winner is you.

You know even if they left in a chocobo stable scene, I'd bet those pinkers would just say Tifa conned him into a pityfuck.

Some of them already believe that he's living with Tifa only because he feels sorry for her (while taking full advantage of her). Pity sex wouldn't be very far away from that.

 

[Ryushikaze]

No, gentlemen, they'd still insist that nothing happened, and that Cloud wasn't interested, that she makes him flaccid anyways, and she forced- nay raped- him in the stable, and he was thinking of Aerith the entire time anyways, and you can't have sex in hay anways its all pointy and jaggedy. And a million other nonsensical bullshit arguments that are about as fucking sane as their backtrack on Koibito- yes, we know you're trying to say WE did, but what about KOI BITO, HMMMM, ladies- and their half understood ramblings that third person limited is perfectly trustworthy even though it's the same as first person with different pronouns and is quite clearly using free indirect speech.

Sometimes, ladies, what you say goes way beyond the amusing, and into the infuriating.

And you'll have to wait til tomorrow or for someone else to give you the details on that'n, folks.

Addendum: Duly Noted, SF. I begin writing trash novella come the day!

 

[namakemono]

Some of them already believe that he's living with Tifa only because he feels sorry for her (while taking full advantage of her). Pity sex wouldn't be very far away from that.

Cloud's pretty good at pitying Tifa. It's almost as if he's sincere and doesn't feel sorry for her at all.

 

[Isabella]

But seriously folks, how can you read CoT as Cloud becoming increasingly annoyed with Tifa and wanting to get the hell away from her, after all her love and dedication, and think that's just the coolest thing ever? Why would you like this guy and want him to be the hero of the story? Forget the fact they hate Tifa; this is about Cloud. Is that who they want Cloud to be?

 

[namakemono]

But seriously folks, how can you read CoT as Cloud becoming increasingly annoyed with Tifa and wanting to get the hell away from her, after all her love and dedication, and think that's just the coolest thing ever? Why would you like this guy and want him to be the hero of the story? Forget the fact they hate Tifa; this is about Cloud. Is that who they want Cloud to be?

I don't get that either. How can they make someone who is part of their fandom sound so...mean and shitty? It's almost as if they don't care anymore, as long as they're right. It's not about proving Cleris, but about disproving Cloti. And come on, in the end what do you get from that?

 

[Shadowfox]

I don't think people like that care for Cloud, for who he is and all that. All that matters is Clerith. They just want their pairing to win, even if the prize happens to be the biggest asshole in fiction.

 

[Ⓐaron]

But seriously folks, how can you read CoT as Cloud becoming increasingly annoyed with Tifa and wanting to get the hell away from her, after all her love and dedication, and think that's just the coolest thing ever? Why would you like this guy and want him to be the hero of the story? Forget the fact they hate Tifa; this is about Cloud. Is that who they want Cloud to be?

Moreover, is that the kind of person they want their self-insert Mary-Sue heroine to end up in a relationship with? Apparently, which is just even moar reason it's similar to Twilight, .

 

[A]

This clearly comes to show that Clotis only support Cloti because we sympathize Tifa and bow down to the goodness that is her boobs.

Bleh.

Anyways, I still like the new stuff added and all.



















There's really nothing more to talk about seeing that it looks like everything's been proved.

 

[Isabella]

Nah, this is about how the supposed hero of the story conducts himself.

 

[Edley]

After the gunshot explodey scene....

Cloud: No! Wait, don't ressurrect me! Only in death can I live out my Clackerith dreams!

 

[Celes Chere]

You know what I'm tired of?

"I like Tifa, but she's way too clingy, and makes Cloud sad. But Tifa is one of my favorite characters, really! Even though all she does is complain."

 

[Frostwave]

You know what I'm tired of?

"I like Tifa, but she's way too clingy, and makes Cloud sad. But Tifa is one of my favorite characters, really! Even though all she does is complain."

Hmm, is that the smell of lies? Yep, I think it is.

Doity smelly transparent liiiiiieeeessss. That smell.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Hahaha. They say that because they think if they freely admit their dislike for a character, it takes away from their supposed credibility (which was long gone with the creation of Naru and WacDonald's anyway). A lot of them don't like Tifa.

There was a DF post about this where one of the admins (Cloud's Girl/Kaldea/whatever the fuck she calls herself now) who pretends to like Tifa yet disses her in their private threads. http://destinyfailed.blogspot.com/2008/11/minorities-represent.html

Anyway....

as their backtrack on Koibito

That's hilarious. KOI_BITO means nice person!!!111 What happened to that, Clerii?
No more KOI____________BITO interviews at WacDonalds?

I don't know why they think "To the woman Cloud = friend and lover" written from Aerith's POV is somehow different from what was said in Maiden, where she thought she loved Cloud until she found out it was the Zack in Cloud.

I don't even know why they say WE now think koibito means something else. We don't, never have. They're the ones going back on what they were previously frothing at the mouth over. Well, actually I know why they're saying it, but it's just so transparent that I always wonder whether they believe their own bullshit.

Inventing Cloti arguments isn't new, so I'm not surprised.

 

[A]

Not Wacdonalds, Wacdnalds.

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If you look close enough you can see the interview going on at that picture.

It's pretty disappointing how people have to make up stuff in order to get a fictional pairing 'canon.' I don't see why people would go so far into... actually interviewing people. And if they're really going to make the Japanese culture seem in their views, I'm afraid they'll be disappointed if they one day do visit Japan for real. Who says the color red doesn't mean blood or jealousy there either?

And it's just being all hypocritical, from what I see. Note that these are the very same people who insisted that koibito had no potential of it being a word referred to as lover, and yet when koibito is brought up to their side it automatically means that it's not one sided, and it means lover!

... And I remember just a month or two ago lurking and reading about a debate going on how koibito didn't mean lover. To the point where Ryu had to actually BRING OUT A DICTIONARY and show it to them. Not to mention to post tons and tons of credentials from sites... and the word tachiba, which is always left behind.

 

[Celes Chere]

Which is why we have several Cloti members

BULL SHIT.

If you look close enough you can see the interview going on at that picture.

Don't forget that those are actual Cleriths, and Nomura is in the background, there.

To the point where Ryu had to actually BRING OUT A DICTIONARY

Well, they just said that all Cloti on TLS worship him...

 

[A]

What's that first quote you responded to from Tiff?

And also, Nomura is in the background? Eff that, he's on my speed dial. I can confirm that Clack is canon in two seconds with the click of a button.

Of course we worship him. We worship him like they worship their Clerith Cetra tyrant. And we totally dedicated a club to him too, titling it as...

RYU. THE BOOB LOVING CLOTI.
















Oh the irony. D :

 

[Celes Chere]

What's that first quote you responded to from Tiff?

It was from Desfailed. A quote from those Forums.

And also, Nomura is in the background? Eff that, he's on my speed dial. I can confirm that Clack is canon in two seconds with the click of a button.

Same here, Ali.

Of course we worship him. We worship him like they worship their Clerith Cetra tyrant. And we totally dedicated a club to him too, titling it as...

RYU. THE BOOB LOVING CLOTI.

LOL, THAT NEEDS TO BE A REAL CLUB. Also, we're all apparently 'freaking out' about Aerith being Cloud's koibito.