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Celes Chere
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Lol, Ali... you didn't....
This is what happens when one does not bother.Lol, Ali... you didn't....
Don't say.
DrakeClawfang
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Ryushikaze, one of your past comments caught my eye. What aspects of Maiden contradict other info in the compilation? Seeing as how all the characters in it are already dead I'm not sure what contradictions there are.
Celes Chere
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The ones I can think of are...
-Aerith not knowing Zack was dead.
-Aerith acting OOC. (Though, that's just imo)
-And I believe there was a mistake with an age... but Ryu knows all about it, so I shouldn't even try to answer. xD
Makoeyes987
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There are several contradictions in Maiden.
For one, it states that Aerith fell in love with Zack at age seventeen.
But Crisis Core shows us she fell in love with Zack at age 15.
In Maiden, Aerith is shocked to know Zack died, but we know that in CC, she felt and knew Zack had died. It's a very important aspect shown in the ending.
Hojo is shown within the Lifestream and then absorbed by Sephiroth. However, Hojo did not immediately die after his defeat from Cloud and the others. With his dying strength he uploaded his consciousness into the Shinra Network. He didn't die until after the defeat of Sephiroth in the Northern Crater. Not only that, but DC explains that Hojo injected himself with Jenova cells not just for his scientific curiosity but to become a vessel for Omega. Again, contradicting Maiden and his fate of being absorbed by Sephiroth.
Maiden states that Aerith rallied the entire Lifestream of the planet to stop Meteor, but the description of events in the 10th Anniversary Ultimania of FFVII states that she rallied a segment of the Lifestream, not the entirety. Again, another contradiction.
Finally, Zack states he taught Cloud Omnislash in Maiden and it was one of his moves. But this isn't shown at all in Crisis Core, and there's no time he could've ever taught Cloud that move, seeing as how he used a gun. Furthermore, Omnislash is never described as a move originating from Zack in its definition in the CC Complete Guide and is specifically called a limit break unique to Cloud. Another odd contradiction. Of course one could say Zack was lying but it seems rather weird.
Those are some of the most glaring inconsistencies with Maiden right there. Those, coupled with its exclusion in every subsequent chronical of events of the Compilation of FFVII, and its events even being excluded in Aerith's 10th Anniversary profile and exclusion in the list of entries of the Compilation of FFVII in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Guide and CC Complete Guide pretty much shows Maiden isn't canon.
For one, it states that Aerith fell in love with Zack at age seventeen.
But Crisis Core shows us she fell in love with Zack at age 15.
In Maiden, Aerith is shocked to know Zack died, but we know that in CC, she felt and knew Zack had died. It's a very important aspect shown in the ending.
Hojo is shown within the Lifestream and then absorbed by Sephiroth. However, Hojo did not immediately die after his defeat from Cloud and the others. With his dying strength he uploaded his consciousness into the Shinra Network. He didn't die until after the defeat of Sephiroth in the Northern Crater. Not only that, but DC explains that Hojo injected himself with Jenova cells not just for his scientific curiosity but to become a vessel for Omega. Again, contradicting Maiden and his fate of being absorbed by Sephiroth.
Maiden states that Aerith rallied the entire Lifestream of the planet to stop Meteor, but the description of events in the 10th Anniversary Ultimania of FFVII states that she rallied a segment of the Lifestream, not the entirety. Again, another contradiction.
Finally, Zack states he taught Cloud Omnislash in Maiden and it was one of his moves. But this isn't shown at all in Crisis Core, and there's no time he could've ever taught Cloud that move, seeing as how he used a gun. Furthermore, Omnislash is never described as a move originating from Zack in its definition in the CC Complete Guide and is specifically called a limit break unique to Cloud. Another odd contradiction. Of course one could say Zack was lying but it seems rather weird.
Those are some of the most glaring inconsistencies with Maiden right there. Those, coupled with its exclusion in every subsequent chronical of events of the Compilation of FFVII, and its events even being excluded in Aerith's 10th Anniversary profile and exclusion in the list of entries of the Compilation of FFVII in the FFVII 10th Anniversary Guide and CC Complete Guide pretty much shows Maiden isn't canon.
DrakeClawfang
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Ah, alright then. Makes sense. I've never played DoC so I didn't know the specifics of Hojo's actions there, just that he was revived by the Internet or something. :p The info about Zack makes sense too, thanks.
One thing though, about Zack teaching Cloud Omnislash. What about "Meteorshots", Cloud's DMW, and that Blade-Beam attack Zack uses in Last Order? I've noticed he uses a couple of moves very similar to Cloud's Limit breaks here and there.
One thing though, about Zack teaching Cloud Omnislash. What about "Meteorshots", Cloud's DMW, and that Blade-Beam attack Zack uses in Last Order? I've noticed he uses a couple of moves very similar to Cloud's Limit breaks here and there.
Well, I think it'd be more of Cloud copying Zack's moves because of the Jenova mimicking cells infused in him. I think there's a statement where it states that Cloud further spurred on to believe himself as a SOLDIER because of the outfit he was wearing, coming to the point where he'd copy his own moves. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
DrakeClawfang
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That seems plausible. Cloud merged Zack's memories into his own, he likely retained memories of some of Zack's moves too. Another idea I had was that maybe the attacks are linked to the Buster Sword itself and not the user, but AC and the First Tsurugi kinda disprove that.
It states in Cloud's character profile that he acted out from a different persona due to the influence of the Jenova cells. It also states that he strikes up a friendship with Zack, and the influence he has on Cloud on him imitating Zack's personality later on. In the Compilation Check it states:
And through logic it may be a bit obvious where Cloud inherited all his skills.
And through logic it may be a bit obvious where Cloud inherited all his skills.
Makoeyes987
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Cloud mimiced Meteorshots from Zack and made it Meteorain, but that's the only move he got from Zack. They mention that in his 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile.
Also, I wouldn't take Last Order seriously since that's also contradicted by the Compilation, and again, is contradicted by CC. Zack never had Blade Beam. LO is just one big clusterfuck of inaccurate info and contradiction.
Also, I wouldn't take Last Order seriously since that's also contradicted by the Compilation, and again, is contradicted by CC. Zack never had Blade Beam. LO is just one big clusterfuck of inaccurate info and contradiction.
Vendel
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It's funny. From time to time I peek over at the realm of pink. Well apparently some are not happy with Denzel *looks a few post back*.
Anyways.
Some don't like him because of what he represents. Those that do like him do for what they want him to represent.
And just what is he? Well he is Cloud and Aerith's child of course! Denzel is just so Clerith it hurts! The physical manifestation of C/A love.
I mean Tifa....who is that? Denzel obviously doesn't mean anything to or about her. Epically not in relation with Cloud.
Anyways.
Some don't like him because of what he represents. Those that do like him do for what they want him to represent.
And just what is he? Well he is Cloud and Aerith's child of course! Denzel is just so Clerith it hurts! The physical manifestation of C/A love.
I mean Tifa....who is that? Denzel obviously doesn't mean anything to or about her. Epically not in relation with Cloud.
Celes Chere
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How dare he swing at the fire hydrant, using Cloud's move.
HOW DARE HE!
I like Denzel. He's sweet.
Denzel's not necessarily a representation of Cloud and Tifa together either, unless you want to throw in the fact that the four (including Marlene) act as a family and symbolize that throughout the movie/novellas. All the characters in the movie have roles tied within Cloud personally. I doubt there are even that many Cleriths who go so far into claiming that Denzel is Cloud and Aerith's love child, and to be honest, I haven't seen any make that claim since ACC has come out. 'Course, I don't bother to check. Making an accusation like that is just silly as we already know who Denzel's parents are by just watching the OVA. I can see reasons to which why people who are fans of FFVII, just not Cleriths, dislike the fact that Denzel's been given more scenes - mainly, because they want to see a more closely related plot line to the aftermath of FFVII, not a story about a new character people have suddenly been introduced to. Personally, I like Denzel though, and his added scenes in ACC have showed his character in depth so we can understand the movie better. Not only that, but Denzel also is shown to play a role to Cloud's salvation.
Bleh, I just ranted, didn't I?
I should get some rest.
Bleh, I just ranted, didn't I?
I should get some rest.
Celes Chere
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Because Aerith brought Denzel to Cloud.
What do you think? 
Not saying that it's not possible that Denzel himself can be a possible role for strengthening the bond of Cloud and Tifa's relationship or some other theory like that And he does represent the little family they've formed. I think all of them have a role to Cloud himself personally and lead to his salvation though.
Not saying that it's not possible that Denzel himself can be a possible role for strengthening the bond of Cloud and Tifa's relationship or some other theory like that And he does represent the little family they've formed. I think all of them have a role to Cloud himself personally and lead to his salvation though.
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