The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Tennyo]

What if Tifa had died and Aerith had lived and activated Holy, but it started killing off humanity and to save yourselves you had to fight it back into the planet and in the end fight a giant monster Aerith after the White Materia fused with her, with the spiritual help of Tifa (who, what-if, was also a Cetra)?

How would that affect their relationships?

That would be lame. I'm sorry hito but it would be. Kill off both heriones and have them both just so happen to be Cetra? Can we say played-out?

Also both women would be dead so Cloud would be getting nooky from no one.

 

[A]

Apparently your definition of generalizing is when rabid Cleriths are the main subject.

 

[Strangelove]

I don't think it's TLS staff's responsibility to maintain a "LTD neutral" atmosphere. TLS isn't about the LTD at all.

The fundamental difference between the two sites is that the C/A forum is a site whose main purpose is C/A (and by relation, the LTD); TLS is an FFVII site whose forum has a thread about the LTD and some club threads. Any change wouldn't be the responsibility of the site itself as much as the people posting in those specific threads, unless they were just going too far. In which case, there's the report button.

But some people are just harsher in the way they put things, and I don't think everything opposing C/A or C/T ought to be reported for the reason Isabella mentioned.

That would be lame. I'm sorry hito but it would be. Kill off both heriones and have them both just so happen to be Cetra? Can we say played-out?

Also both women would be dead so Cloud would be getting nooky from no one.

What if Tifa was the true Cetra, and people just thought Aerith was?

What if after defeating the Aerith WEAPON (what if she were a WEAPON?), the people in the Lifestream revives Tifa for helping stop Aerith WEAPON, because they're the souls of the people from Nibelheim who sheltered Cetra!Tifa from Shinra?

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Apparently your definition of generalizing is when rabid Cleriths are the main subject.

Then what's yours?

 

[Ⓐaron]

That would be lame. I'm sorry hito but it would be. Kill off both heriones and have them both just so happen to be Cetra? Can we say played-out?

Also both women would be dead so Cloud would be getting nooky from no one.

Am I the only one who saw that hito was just taking the piss out of other people's 'hypothetical questions' with that post?

 

[A]

Honestly, what's wrong with a Cloti hanging out in a Clerith forum? As long as they follow the rules of the forum, for example; not debating deliberately, fine. But going so far as into not allowing anything Cloti related, is almost like you guys think of it as a disease.

And I doubt that they can believe in it unless they act on it.

Flaming is done to us too. People who aren't even rabid. Apparently we're all sensitive Clotis, and the next minute we're rabids jumping on others.

Then what's yours?

http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee329/pumpkinspatch/ph0328c.jpg

Example: Omg i hate cleriths so much they're all whiny bitches blah blah blah blah the list goes on.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee329/pumpkinspatch/ph0328c.jpg

Example: Omg i hate cleriths so much they're all whiny bitches blah blah blah blah the list goes on.

Ah, I remember that post. Yes, that was over the line. But as shown above, that happens here too.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Am I the only one who saw that hito was just taking the piss out of other people's 'hypothetical questions' with that post?

No sir, you are not.

And Drake, DesFail doesn't say anything about Anastar accusing Hito of withholding part of CoL. Tets is simply aware of it because news travels.

 

[A]

Ah, I remember that post. Yes, that was over the line. But as shown above, that happens here too.

You know, I do want to point out when it does happen, people step up to prevent it.


It's pretty respectable what you're doing though, in my opinion.

 

[Makoeyes987]

NOTICE - I'll be posting this exact same post, word for word, on CxA forums. Reply as you will:

I'm thinking this is a lost cause, but it doesn't and shouldn't have to be. The CxA members are displeased with the staff allowing Clerith bashing to go on. The TLS members are displeased with how the CxA forums talk about them. And both sides are simultaneously right and wrong, to different extents. The actions of the members of both forums speak for themselves, and it seems neither of us are too fond of each other because....we're not too fond of each other.

You know, it's really cool of you to try to do this, and I respect that a lot. Seriously.

Personally, (and I can only speak for myself) I have nothing against fans of Cloud/Aerith. At all. In fact, I think its a cute pairing too. What grinds my gears and pisses me off is the accusations that we somehow are part of some vast right wing Cloti conspiracy that tweaks, edits, and fudges translations to make them "Cloti" and that we're just disseminating wrong information. And THEN..at the same time of accusing us of that, use said translations hosted here as evidence.

That insults me personally because its an impugning of our integrity that is without basis or merit. Hitoshura has a lot more better things to do with his time than fuck around "Cloti-fying" shit to piss off Cloud/Aerith fans. I have a lot more better things to do than try to fuck around and spin the articles and translations here. THAT'S what bothers me. If you're going to impune or criticize us, then base it in fact and say it to our faces here, don't just name call and throw accusations, behind the safety of your other forum.

Honestly, I could give a shit about the Cloti generalizing. Let them say what they want. I know they've talked about me personally and all but I really don't care. But... if they're going to talk about us behind our backs regarding the service we do and all, then let them step up and bring us the criticism based in fact. Not just because it says something you don't like. Because that's what ended up happening regarding the CoL White translations on the front page and it was a silly fiasco. That type of stuff pisses us off to no end.

CxA members, it's not a Cloti forum, admittedly it can seem that way but it really isn't. To be fair, they have every reason to dislike our membership because we've questioned their translations and neutrality. My advice is to just join the forum if you want to, post a bit there and make your own decision. I should think my presence there should be proof that they're not going to pounce on you and drive you out just because you're a Clerith.

Yeah, it isn't a CloTi forum, hell its open to anyone. There are fans of Cloud and Tifa and here, and we'd like Cloud and Aerith fans too. The LT thread is BORING without the other side. I welcome the other side to step up, throw down and roll with us. Discussion is left open and uncensored for a reason. We find just letting everyone sit in groupthink boring and we welcome anyone to discuss with us the facts and what they feel it is. We won't warn, or ban anyone for having a different viewpoint. We just ask that when you come to discuss, be ready to back up your position, as you're expected to. We don't hold hands here. We'll stop flaming, and harassment but don't expect to have your points challenged. That's for both sides.

TLS members, the problem is that you guys do bash Cleriths. And yes, CxA forums bash Cloti and TLS. But TLS, as your own members have said, is a neutral forum - I wouldn't complain about Strifeheart bashing Cleriths, in fact Anastar directed me to an old forum topic where I defended them. So it's a bit confusing to see things like members impersonating "rapid Cleriths", and talking about Cleriths "being pwned" about their "Clerith bullshit". It does give the forums the appearance of being anti-Clerith. It's especially a problem when many of these remarks aren't provoked and seem to spring up just for the sake of bashing Clerith.

Yeah, we have. However, we only bash Cleriths we feel are the ones who are either

a.) Impuning our hard work and translations based on purely self serving, and trivial reasons.

b.) Those that have slagged on us and our forum because we have CloTi members and for that reason accuse us of being biased.

We don't think all Cloud/Aerith fans are bad or stupid. Yes, this is a neutral forum not focused on the LT, but there are members who talk about it and we let them say what they feel. We can't warn members for having a view point of stating their exasperation. People vent and will say things tongue-in-cheek. We're laid back and we're open here, but what we don't tolerate is flaming of members, regardless of what they think or feel. If you Drake, are getting flamed, harassed, or called bad names we wouldn't let it happen. We don't let personal insults or ad hominem attacks of members slide.

So where do we go from here? I mean all of us, both forums as a whole. What happens now? Do we have to get our respective staff members together for a chat or something? Do we just keep bashing each other? As far as I can tell we dislike each other for the sake of disliking each other. Can't one of us be the bigger man (or forum, as it were) and just bury the hatchet?

Well, like I said, we'd be happy to have C/A fans join here and enjoy the forum and debate/discuss the LT here in an open forum, where you won't get judged or whatever for your view point. We don't let members get picked on here, and as you've seen for yourself, if you've got a problem we'll listen. I'll apologize again for that club fuck up. The only reason I didn't catch it sooner was because I don't post in it To be honest, personally I could give a shit about the CloTi generalizing because I'm thick skinned like that and know it's just the internet. It's only the unfair accusations and impuning of our staff, translators and translations that pisses me off. You don't have to like Cloti fans or what not, but don't sit there and say we're lying or trying to bugger up the translations without any proof other than it sounding "too CloTi." It's immature, and especially rude, since we're doing this all for fun, and I get no joy in bending and breaking the spines of my collectable FF books just so hito or someone else can read it and stuff.

So that's my 400 cents.

Once again, you're cool for doing this Drake and I can say I'm glad you joined

 

[Strangelove]

Am I the only one who saw that hito was just taking the piss out of other people's 'hypothetical questions' with that post?

I assure you Gentlemen, I am not joking. I am deadly serious about Aerith WEAPON and desire much discussion on it, to further people's understanding of FFVII somehow.


I don't remember who said that thing about CoL being too short, I just saw the quote.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Eh, it was Anastar, but whatevs.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Yeah, we have. However, we only bash Cleriths we feel are the ones who are either

a.) Impuning our hard work and translations based on purely self serving, and trivial reasons.

b.) Those that have slagged on us and our forum because we have CloTi members and for that reason accuse us of being biased.

Except I only recall two instances of Cleriths being named - Angelalex and Anastar, the comments in my post were directed at Clerith shippers as a whole.

We're laid back and we're open here, but what we don't tolerate is flaming of members, regardless of what they think or feel. If you Drake, are getting flamed, harassed, or called bad names we wouldn't let it happen. We don't let personal insults or ad hominem attacks of members slide.

That's fair, but I think the mindset is "they're bashing Cleriths in general, why should I join and give them a specific target". The first 24 hours within my joining, I don't know if you'll recall, were rather unpleasant before I stepped away from the LT threads (I realize the irony of this).

Once again, you're cool for doing this Drake and I can say I'm glad you joined

Thanks on both counts. Unfortunately it seems my post isn't getting as good a reception as I'd hoped from either side. Methinks I ought to try negotiating peace in the Middle East, I may have more success. ><

 

[A]

Except I only recall two instances of Cleriths being named - Angelalex and Anastar, the comments in my post were directed at Clerith shippers as a whole.

They're actually pretty nice from my experience. But I don't find it necessarily funny when people make a song bashing Clotis and the pairing in general. Clerith is a cute pairing, like Mako said (surprisingly), but we don't support it. Fanon, I guess you can say.

That's fair, but I think the mindset is "they're bashing Cleriths in general, why should I join and give them a specific target". The first 24 hours within my joining, I don't know if you'll recall, were rather unpleasant before I stepped away from the LT threads (I realize the irony of this).

You do realize that the more Cleriths join here, the less that'll happen? What exactly did we do to you that can be referred to harassing? Weren't we simply debating?

Thanks on both counts. Unfortunately it seems my post isn't getting as good a reception as I'd hoped from either side. Methinks I ought to try negotiating peace in the Middle East, I may have more success. ><

Nah, it's pretty respectable for you to be arguing for both sides, we're just simply debating.

 

[Celes Chere]

It's a wonder why more Cleriths don't join here.....

It's a wonder why Clotis feel the way they do about CxA Forums. =/ You know, this wasn't a very fair thing for you to say at all. I like having you here to debate intelligently, because you're not insulting anyone or accusing anyone of being rabid. So I'm pretty disappointed that you would come out and say something like that. Especially when we're saying "Not all Cleriths act this way" and "Sorry for generalizing, we didn't mean to".

that bash and flame Cleriths with no reprimands.

Are you not guilty of the same thing? I get that CxA Forums is a magical Clerith haven that is meant to protect Cleriths from "ebil Cloti", but did anyone on that Forum EVER try listening to the other side for once instead of automatically assuming that Cloti fans are the spawn of the devil? Imo, just because it's a Clerith Forum, doesn't mean you should have a right to openly bash members, especially by name. Especially by creating entire threads to them. And do you still wonder why so much 'flaming' goes on here? Maybe some of us are just flat out tired of this bullshit.

Plus, at least none of us have claimed to be Cloti Nazi's, or joke about things like genocide and oppression. Grow up.

You even have your own secret Cetra Forums for being royal bitches. Sorry that I'm being "too mean" now, but honestly, don't try and make us look like the "bad guys". Don't try and act like the poor victimized Clerith.

Ah, someone reads Destiny Failed.

It speaks the damn truth.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Oh, I know they were addressed to the C/A fans but I felt on just being honest and saying it.

And I don't see how some tongue-in-cheek LT banter is really bashing. I know the same is said about us, and I don't take it personally. But I'm not going to go off insulting someone because of who they like as a pairing. That's what we won't allow here. We don't allow member bashing.

Hell, on TLS, we have members who make cracks on fans of FFVII and the Compilation as a whole. Even fans of FF in general. That's just how we are here. I guess it can be a little off putting and surprising but just remember we let the free speech go both ways and we're open minded and lax here. We just don't let members get trashed.

And I remember replying to your first LTD post and I suppose it was a bit suprising, to get so many replies and all, but remember...we're not attacking you as a person. We're merely discussing your points. We're not gonna go below the belt or start calling Drake stupid or whatever.

And like I said, if a C/A fan joins here, we'll welcome them just like any other member. I think your post is a good one and I don't think its a bad thing at all.

@CelesChere

I don't think he was being sarcastic. I think he really meant it was surprising not more C/A fans join here and see what its like for themselves. Unless I missed something

And eh..I wouldn't say DestinyFailed is the "truth." Its looking at only the ugly side of a fandom. I know for a fact it exists for both sides. I don't think all C/A fans are like that.

 

[A]

It speaks the damn truth.

Not really. It can make fun of members, despite of what they do.

You even have your own secret Cetra Forums for being royal bitches. Sorry that I'm being "too mean" now, but honestly, don't try and make us look like the "bad guys". Don't try and act like the poor victimized Clerith.

I don't see what's wrong with trying to speak up. It's not as if people can't share their opinions here. People can reach agreements.

Plus, at least none of us have claimed to be Cloti Nazi's, or joke about things like genocide and oppression. Grow up.

This. Why talk about something so taboo?

Hell, on TLS, we have members who make cracks on fans of FFVII and the Compilation as a whole. Even fans of FF in general. That's just how we are here. I guess it can be a little off putting and surprising but just remember we let the free speech go both ways and we're open minded and lax here. We just don't let members get trashed.

Hell yes.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

You even have your own secret Cetra Forums for being royal bitches. Sorry that I'm being "too mean" now, but honestly, don't try and make us look like the "bad guys". Don't try and act like the poor victimized Clerith.

That's news to me, honestly, I didn't know CxA had secret forums. And I'm not trying to play the victim or make anyone a bad guy. I'm trying to help the two forums come to an understanding with each other, but as the replies on both fronts accumulate I'm think that may be impossible.

 

[A]

That's news to me, honestly, I didn't know CxA had secret forums. And I'm not trying to play the victim or make anyone a bad guy. I'm trying to help the two forums come to an understanding with each other, but as the replies on both fronts accumulate I'm think that may be impossible.

I agree with Drake. He's not playing the victim or he's not making anyone look like the bad guy. From my understanding, he's been trying to explain said statements to the CxA forum. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll ever be solved. Especially when there are fucking dumbasses who actually are the real trolls and flame/bash/troll other forums with no regret.

 

[Strangelove]

There are hidden 'Cetra' forums for people selected to join them.

It isn't very pleasant to try going there and posting, only to have people go to some hidden forum and post about you behind your back. (They didn't take my access away quick enough for me not to witness that about me before.)

Whatever happens in this thread, it is at least there for anyone to see.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

This is absolutely ridiculous.

Ja, sorry I don't have any pink cookies to hand out. My bad, I must be flaming. My comments have always been directed to a particular group and I don't need and WILL NOT put a disclaimer on every single one of my posts just we can all hold hands, mmkay?

The minute TLS becomes another censoring C/A board with different colors I'm gone (and so will a lot of others).

You have a problem with the way I phrase things?
They WERE owned. On multiple occasions. You forget I've been around since before the creation of the CxA forums. I know their debating habits pretty well. They come in, state their thing, leave when cornered and come back when the smoke clears to repeat much of the same.

I don't give a shit if the truth hurts.

Yes, Cloud building a cottage in the flowerfields (actual point made by Anastar) IS bullshit. I'm not afraid to call it by its proper name because you think it'll hurt the feelings of a small group of shippers.

As is saying that Cloud is meeting Aeris somewhere in the flowerfields and is closing the shop to have spirit sex with her. I'm not going to list every nonsensical fantasy that has come out of their mouth, I think this is enough to illustrate my point.

In short, your efforts are wasted on account that it assumes this is a board made to counter/attack the pink shippers. Frankly, the very fact that you wrote some sort of a letter to both sides implies this is some sort of a war where we're all committing crimes. The only crime being committed is the buttrape of canon by the members affiliating themselves with Devotion/Destiny Fulfilled/whatever the hell it's called now.

We have never stopped people from joining. If they're scared they're going to have to defend their views like that idiot trolling the first page during the xlating fiasco, then that's their problem.
TLS is not responsible for holding hands. Unless Mako forgot to drop me a memo, the fucker.

Don't try and act like the poor victimized Clerith.

THIS.
Or is that the whole reason you're here? To try to show the big TLS meanies for the C/A haters they are?

Celes, transparent behavior is transparent

 

[Celes Chere]

Not really. It can make fun of members, despite of what they do.

No offense, but all of those members that are made fun of, I think deserve it.

I don't see what's wrong with trying to speak up. It's not as if people can't share their opinions here. People can reach agreements.

Sorry, I thought Drake was being sarcastic like Mako said, and that kind of pissed me off. xD If he's really trying to bring two Forums together, I'm all for it. "Burying the hatchet" is a bit hard though, when CxA has talked so much shit about you for absolutely no reason. For having an opinion, and then seeing it mocked. I don't know how Ryu handles it.

That's news to me, honestly, I didn't know CxA had secret forums. And I'm not trying to play the victim or make anyone a bad guy. I'm trying to help the two forums come to an understanding with each other, but as the replies on both fronts accumulate I'm think that may be impossible.

You didn't know that Cetra members have access to secret Forums? O_O When I joined CxA as an actual member, I recall that being somewhere in the rules/information. If you are honestly trying to help, thank you for that. But there are some members in CxA I will never forgive. I have no problem with Clerith fans, just a majority of the ones on those Forums. And I'm sorry that it has to be that way.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Well Drake you can't reconcile AN ENTIRE FANBASE or whatnot, but if anything else, you've gotten some change here and I'll say that we'll make sure to be as welcoming as possible to any potential C/A fans who decide to join here and let them know that while we may disagree and debate them, we're not taking it personal and we're not gonna insult them personally.

@OneWingedDemon

>.> *holds your hand*

@CelesChere

I don't think he can bring both forums together, but I do admire him again joining here, seeing things for himself and voicing his legitimate opinions and concerns. I respect that and like I said, I'll personally keep it in mind and know that not all C/A fans are bad. I can't say I'll be censoring anyone because that's not what we do, everyone's accountable for their own words and opinions and the best part of an open forum is that its open for everyone to speak their piece. It's only when a member gets flamed or attacked that we have to step in.

 

[A]

No offense, but all of those members that are made fun of, I think deserve it.

I don't think anyone necessarily deserves it unless they intentionally go to another forum and troll. At least those people are kind enough to do something about it when someone is intentionally being accused of. Such as stalking.

Sorry, I thought Drake was being sarcastic like Mako said, and that kind of pissed me off. xD If he's really trying to bring two Forums together, I'm all for it. "Burying the hatchet" is a bit hard though, when CxA has talked so much shit about you for absolutely no reason. For having an opinion, and then seeing it mocked. I don't know how Ryu handles it.

There are some things about the forum that really go too far, in my opinion. I really want to know why they can't let anything Cloti related in there, unless it's anti or bashing Tifa or whatever the fuck it is.

What Mako says. It's respectable that Drake is trying to bring both forums together; unfortunately, I don't think that'll happen anytime soon. Nothing's wrong with sharing some complaints/opinions.

If you are honestly trying to help, thank you for that. But there are some members in CxA I will never forgive.

Some easily come in mind.

And Drake, I hope you know that some of the members can be bitter (like me) to Cleriths sometimes after getting some awful experiences with trolls. Like, there was this one who posted disturbing pictures. That would make anyone bitter.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

What Mako says. It's respectable that Drake is trying to bring both forums together; unfortunately, I don't think that'll happen anytime soon. Nothing's wrong with sharing some complaints/opinions.

And Drake, I hope you know that some of the members can be bitter (like me) to Cleriths sometimes after getting some awful experiences with trolls. Like, there was this one who posted disturbing pictures. That would make anyone bitter.

Disturbing pictures? What was that about?

And yeah, it ain't gonna happen. I don't fully understand the bad blood running between the fandom, or why it's even there, but apparently it exists. I'm trying to be understand to both forums, but right now part of me just wants to get the membership from both in the same room and start knocking heads together.