The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

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OneWingedDemon

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I don't even know what you mean by "bringing the two forums together"

One's kinda committed to the story/general FF-ness, the other is all about shipping C/A

What I think he means is that we should all just go "well, it's their interpretation and we should respect that" despite them coming up with nonsense like WacDonalds and floating-ribbon-that-is-actually-a-flare.

I have no problem with people liking C/A. Do we have to repeat this ad infinitum?
 
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Celes Chere

Banned
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Noctis
I don't think he can bring both forums together, but I do admire him again joining here, seeing things for himself and voicing his legitimate opinions and concerns. I respect that and like I said, I'll personally keep it in mind and know that not all C/A fans are bad. I can't say I'll be censoring anyone because that's not what we do, everyone's accountable for their own words and opinions and the best part of an open forum is that its open for everyone to speak their piece. It's only when a member gets flamed or attacked that we have to step in.

I'm glad that Drake came here, and actually got a nice discussion going in here. It was civilized, and nice. It was a breath of fresh air, tbh. I will give him points for that, and I'm not trying to say that all CxA fans are bad. There are plenty of amazing Cleriths out there, even in those pink Forums. I also agree that it's possible to put all personal issues aside, if any members join here and have 'past beef' with other members. That's the mature way of doing things, and as long as the other side is willing then so am I.

I don't think anyone necessarily deserves it unless they intentionally go to another forum and troll. At least those people are kind enough to do something about it when someone is intentionally being accused of. Such as stalking.

I believe creating threads to members, and talking about them- creating entire rants about them for absolutely no reason, is going a bit far. I understand that, lurking around CxA is my fault for seeing things... but since Clotis are supposedly welcomed, when I joined in the past, I got to experience the BS without lurking. I think members of both sides are bitter. =/ I wonder if it could ever change.

but right now part of me just wants to get the membership from both in the same room and start knocking heads together.

That could be dangerous. :awesome:
 

A

Great Old One
Well, you have to understand that some of us can be bitter because of what people intentionally do or say. It's not very respectful when they bring up something such as Nazis, and how they'll 'crush us with their pink boots.' How is that funny, in any way? It's not something to be joked about. And there have been people who harassed others, claimed them of stalking, claimed that they were attacking them, and others who are just in need of therapy. The CxA forum hasn't been trolled since December, correct? I think some of the other members like CelesChere have their reasons.

I believe creating threads to members, and talking about them- creating entire rants about them for absolutely no reason, is going a bit far. I understand that, lurking around CxA is my fault for seeing things... but since Clotis are supposedly welcomed, when I joined in the past, I got to experience the BS without lurking. I think members of both sides are bitter. =/ I wonder if it could ever change.
Well, from my experience I was pretty hateful towards Cleriths for awhile because of that dumbass. But whatever. :awesome:
 

Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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Smooth Criminal
DrakeClawfang said:
And yeah, it ain't gonna happen. I don't fully understand the bad blood running between the fandom, or why it's even there, but apparently it exists. I'm trying to be understand to both forums, but right now part of me just wants to get the membership from both in the same room and start knocking heads together.

I'm sure if you did that, heads literally WOULD start knocking together :monster:

Honestly Drake, you can't change everyone's minds. All you can do is tell them to do what you did. Let them get outside their box, join the forum, post and reach their own conclusions like you did. Let them do what they do and reach their own conclusions.

Some have already done so, and we can't change their opinion if that's what they want to believe. But if they could do what you did, well that would be the best thing.
 

Eerie

Fire and Blood
I'm stepping in, because I've read this entire thread when I was a lurker - yes, it was lulz-worthy - and I think I can draw some parallels with my other fandom [some similarities are so striking it kind of scares me :wacky:].

Basically? People are being too sensitive - especially, from what I read, the cleriths. I had the same problem all over in my other fandom - where no board will actually let you discuss any LTD at all anymore because of the troubles it brought XD - and basically, when you attack an argument, people play the 'booh, you attacked me!' when in fact, it was just that, an argument >______>

I mean, I'm used to be the evil and meanie and part of teh evilest and meaniest group evar, so I guess that just doesn't impress me when people cry and throw fits - from what I understood, it seems that I'm once again on teh evil side. Quite frankly, I've seen people make fun of some arguments here, but rarely (if not? My memory is fuzzy, I read this thread in a few hours XD) have I read attacks against members/other people.

In short? Grow balls, people :monster:
 

Ⓐaron

Factiō Rēpūblicāna dēlenda est.
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The Man, V
Basically, until some of them acknowledge that some their own members' behaviour is actually worse than anything that's been done here, the chance of 'reconciliation' between the groups is pretty much non-existent. We don't have a secret section that we use for shit-talking about members we don't like. The only 'secret' section of the forum is the staff forum, and if any of them think they're important enough to get mentioned there then they have a severe case of unwarranted self-importance. There's really nothing else to say. Until they acknowledge that they actually do more shit-talking of Clotis than anyone has done about Cleriths on this forum, there's pretty much no chance that anyone's going to stop the mockery here.
 
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Makoeyes987

Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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Smooth Criminal
Yeah, one thing we definitely do not do is hide our words. Every member is held accountable for what they say and its seen by everyone. What you see here is what you get. :monster:

And while we may attack or pick apart your argument, its not personal. We're attacking the argument, not the argumentor. Always remember that. Hell, in a discussion THATS what you're supposed to do. If a C/A fan goes in here and starts picking apart the Cloud/Tifa points we make, GOOD. That's what's supposed to happen. Do it. We want that because that's what keeps the discussion alive and dynamic. If you think your view is right and you got the ammo, come to the shooting range and shoot our arguments full of holes. Thats what we want.
 
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Fighter

Pro Adventurer
OWD is awesome in her fury. So nostalgic.

PS. Can we all agree this is not a "share your shipper's love" thread. It's a debate thread, views are going to clash in here.
 
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Isabella

Your Mom
Anyone old enough to remember Al Franken's Stuart Smalley character on SNL? Somehow, reading this discussion is making me think of it. Are people looking to a DEBATE thread for daily affirmations? I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like my interpretationz!

If you post in a debate thread, your post will be dissected. How boring would it be if we didn't? It's not a personal attack, it's just what happens.
 

null.

Pro Adventurer
Stuart would be less offended when OWD inserts her massive cock into his posts.

Is there any way to search ACF's corpse, or any archives of those old threads? Everytime someone gets excited by this thread I'm like dude, you totally missed it.
 
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Zee

wangxian married
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Zee
Uh I don't understand what the fuck is going on anymore but I guess I'll address:

You even have your own secret Cetra Forums for being royal bitches. Sorry that I'm being "too mean" now, but honestly, don't try and make us look like the "bad guys". Don't try and act like the poor victimized Clerith.

:lol: The Cetra sections, however they started out, are now really just for a lot of the old-school members of the FF7 fandom. Most of the Cetra members are closer and/or know each other outside of the fandom. The actual "bitching" is kept to one specific section so you don't have to bother with it if you don't have to. Most of the venting tends to be unrelated to FF7, at least these days (I haven't seen that much activity there anyway). The other parts are mostly chit-chat and spam threads.

Just thought I'd clear that up. :3

I really want to know why they can't let anything Cloti related in there, unless it's anti or bashing Tifa or whatever the fuck it is.

Mostly to avoid the site from bursting out in a bunch of mini debates. If you like Cleris this isn't a problem. Hell, even if you like Cloti it isn't a problem. I've stated, in Cetra threads and elsewhere over there, that I see a Cloti conclusion in the compliation. Other members like CG don't particularly believe Cloud should be with anyone. Neither of us are run out of the forums or warned.
 

Celes Chere

Banned
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Noctis
The Cetra sections, however they started out, are now really just for a lot of the old-school members of the FF7 fandom. Most of the Cetra members are closer and/or know each other outside of the fandom. The actual "bitching" is kept to one specific section so you don't have to bother with it if you don't have to. Most of the venting tends to be unrelated to FF7, at least these days (I haven't seen that much activity there anyway). The other parts are mostly chit-chat and spam threads.

Just thought I'd clear that up. :3

Thanks for that Zee, I don't know how those Cetra Forums are now currently. I always knew there was a secret bashing thread, and even if it's not currently active, it doesn't mean what happened in the past is just going to be erased. I still don't think it's right to have a secret part of the Forum, especially when it's used for bashing. If it's really just chit-chat and spam, why isn't it used by all of the members? Even if you know members on a more personal level than others, I don't find it really right to create a secret clique. Having a secret section just for staff members however, is an entirely different story. ^^;

Mostly to avoid the site from bursting out in a bunch of mini debates. If you like Cleris this isn't a problem. Hell, even if you like Cloti it isn't a problem. I've stated, in Cetra threads and elsewhere over there, that I see a Cloti conclusion in the compliation. Other members like CG don't particularly believe Cloud should be with anyone. Neither of us are run out of the forums or warned.

... How was me having a Zerith/Cloti signature, offensive to members? If Cloti graphics and talking about Cloti aren't allowed, then Clotis REALLY aren't allowed there. I remember saying that Zack's death was just as important as Aerith's, and totally getting jumped on for having a "rabid Cloti ideal". I was then told to Gtfo. Also, no offense, but I don't believe in CG's neutrality for a second, since I've seen her debating for the Clerith side. Quite adamantly, at that.
 

OneWingedDemon

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Is there any way to search ACF's corpse, or any archives of those old threads
Brain twins! I was totally craving some Faith loving before you posted that :P
So if anyone knows, let us know, gaiz!
 
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Fairheartstrife

[no fucks given]
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FHS, that cloti bitch
Holy cow. Go to work for a few--12--hours and look what ya miss?

Firstly, the whole "And I wonder why there aren't more C/A members..." was totally sarcastic. Sorry if you missed that, Mako, but it was. And, hey, there's nothing wrong with that. Sarcasm is used all the time to make points.

Here's what I see the dilemma really being--as other posters have also indicated. This isn't a thread designated to share "shipper love". Hell, it's not even a thread to determine which couple is the "better" couple, because that's all frikkin' opinion. What--for me, anyway--the LTD was/is all about is establishing the canon couple (and for the record I think that has been done to death).

Now, I've seen the past several pages be a debate about old fandom wars, current distrust between the Cloti and Cleriths and discussion over the people generally involved in the LTD, and as amusing as it is to read, I find the topic shift disconcerting. Because I don't care to discuss why I don't like the C/A forums. I would like to discuss any evidence provided that shows Cloud having romantic feelings toward Aerith. ANY. I'll even consider Jenova influence nutso Cloud actions/words if provided. Anyone??
 

Ⓐaron

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The Man, V
Link didn't work, but one of these?
http://destinyfailed.blogspot.com/2008/11/minorities-represent.html

Oh wait, your link works for me now.

That's because it's 403'd when you click on it from here, since it blocks direct linking from sites that aren't destinyfailed.blogspot.com, but once you've loaded it in its context on Destiny Failed, it's in your cache. Anti-hotlinking measures are pretty damn annoying tbh, it's not like bandwidth costs much anymore these days.
 

Zee

wangxian married
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Zee
Thanks for that Zee, I don't know how those Cetra Forums are now currently. I always knew there was a secret bashing thread, and even if it's not currently active, it doesn't mean what happened in the past is just going to be erased. I still don't think it's right to have a secret part of the Forum, especially when it's used for bashing. If it's really just chit-chat and spam, why isn't it used by all of the members? Even if you know members on a more personal level than others, I don't find it really right to create a secret clique. Having a secret section just for staff members however, is an entirely different story. ^^;

I was one of the people who used to get bashed! XD But it's water under the bridge to me, I've gotten to know everyone, and they aren't that bad.

I understand how it would seem clique-y, but that wasn't the intention. You get promoted based on quality of posts (basically, don't be a n00b) and most Cetras are expected to contribute to forum projects. It's not an exclusive club -- more people are expected to be promoted, there just hasn't been one in a while (as far as I know). Almost any thread there is for Cetras there are for regular forum members and everyone participates in both. Most of the time Cetras are more active in the regular forums anyway.

... How was me having a Zerith/Cloti signature, offensive to members? If Cloti graphics and talking about Cloti aren't allowed, then Clotis REALLY aren't allowed there. I remember saying that Zack's death was just as important as Aerith's, and totally getting jumped on for having a "rabid Cloti ideal". I was then told to Gtfo. Also, no offense, but I don't believe in CG's neutrality for a second, since I've seen her debating for the Clerith side. Quite adamantly, at that.

CG sometimes debates for Cleris mostly because she doesn't agree with Cloud/Tifa arguments. But I assure you, she promotes single!Cloud above anything.

I understand about the signature thing, and eeh, personally I don't like it either, but I can't change the rules. I just joined to talk about Cleris, so usually I use Cleris graphics there and save any Cloud/Tifa or Zack/Aeris thing I might want to use elsewhere.

I didn't know you posted at the CxA forums, where was this thread?
 

Celes Chere

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Noctis
I was one of the people who used to get bashed! XD But it's water under the bridge to me, I've gotten to know everyone, and they aren't that bad.

I've gotten to know some members there too, and I love them. AA and I used to not get along, but now we're best buds. :monster: I guess my problem is, that I end up be-friending a Clerith from that site, and then I see my arguments posted and mocked when I browse the site. It's just flat out lying and betrayal, and it gets quite old. It doesn't give me a right to generalize the entire Forum though, and I apologize for doing so in some of my posts. I can get carried away.

I understand how it would seem clique-y, but that wasn't the intention. You get promoted based on quality of posts (basically, don't be a n00b) and most Cetras are expected to contribute to forum projects. It's not an exclusive club -- more people are expected to be promoted, there just hasn't been one in a while (as far as I know). Almost any thread there is for Cetras there are for regular forum members and everyone participates in both. Most of the time Cetras are more active in the regular forums anyway.

I guess I can understand that, though there are members there that are plenty intelligent imo, and have numerous amounts of posts and insightful things to say, and still aren't Cetra. Don't you think members that have been around for three years deserve a slot? :monster: It still seems cliquey to me, just because of the fact it's hidden, and it's special treatment for a certain close group of members. The 'Guide' on how to be a Cetra seems extremely cliquey to me as well, but maybe it's because of the way the person worded it. Made it seem like they were elite, special, and better than everyone else.

CG sometimes debates for Cleris mostly because she doesn't agree with Cloud/Tifa arguments. But I assure you, she promotes single!Cloud above anything.

If she doesn't agree with Cloti arguments, wouldn't that make her Clerith? xD I thought CG was really nice, until unfortunately... dramaz! :rage:

I just joined to talk about Cleris, so usually I use Cleris graphics there and save any Cloud/Tifa or Zack/Aeris thing I might want to use elsewhere.

I just think it's a bit ridiculous to claim that Clotis are allowed, when really, they don't seem to be welcomed at all. I see member and Cloti bashing in almost every thread. They talk about the TLS Mods doing a bad job, but they're using the fact that it's a CxA based Forum as an excuse to treat members outside of their Forums unfairly. I don't think they should be trying to justify those kind of actions with excuses.
I like what Mako said, about members being accounted for their own actions and things that they say.

I didn't know you posted at the CxA forums, where was this thread?

It was quite a long time ago. I couldn't remember if I tried. But when I was there, I was BulletProofMarshMellow(BPMM) *watches as CxA readies their pitchforks*. Sadly, I had some drama with FFG at ACF, and then shortly after that I asked to be banned from CxA. FFG spread all this crap about how I was very "hateful" and "emo". It was basically just plain retarded. :awesome: I really hate drama like that, and I can't believe it started just because I said Zack and Aerith's deaths meant the same to Cloud. I don't understand how that's a 'biased Cloti' opinion; I find it to be quite logical.
 

Strangelove

AI Researcher
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hitoshura
CG sometimes debates for Cleris mostly because she doesn't agree with Cloud/Tifa arguments. But I assure you, she promotes single!Cloud above anything.
I've disagreed with C/A arguments, but that made me a Cloti.


I don't agree with everything C/T fans say. I don't think that 'ying/yang' thing in AC means anything, or Zack and Aerith walking out of the church means they're back together, and the 'dim love = secret' thing. But why does disagree with C/A ideas = Cloti?
 

Strangelove

AI Researcher
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hitoshura
Oh yar :monster:

What translations (besides 'beloved', which was that bastard liar Mako) have I bastardised, exactly? Because I've always wondered :awesome:
 
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