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[Celes Chere]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Well, I made the post. ;D

I can't wait for the response. I can predict:

"Tseng is too old"

"Tseng slapped her!"

"Tseng is creepy"

 

[spirit_chaser]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Or "She never even asked him out for a date!"

 

[Celes Chere]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

They also never had spirit smex.

((As far as we know.))

 

[Stella]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

That post is made of absolute win Celes ;D

I bet they come up with a way to debunk it though. To tell you the truth, everytime I read one of yours or Ryu's posts I think, "Oh boy, they've got them now!" yet the Clerith always return with some new crazy piece of "evidence" for their side.

Oh well, this will be good lulz

*grabs popcorn*

 

[Tennyo]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Cthulhu link=topic=53.msg4248#msg4248 date=1230222405]
True, but as far as I can recall, there wasn't any official canon during / after FFVII itself, afaik.
[/quote]

Nah I get the impression that there was, actually.

 

[spirit_chaser]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

They also never had spirit smex.

must.change.ze.name =D

yet the Clerith always return with some new crazy piece of "evidence" for their side.

Thats what makes them CLERITHS!

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Stella, the trick is, we've had their number for quite a few years now.

The truth of the matter is, the LTD isn't that big of a deal. Either here or in Japan. And for quite a few years now, the Aernetters have been in a full holding action to keep from losing what little 'territory' (in the form of people who think the story ended with a Cloud and Aerith pairing) that they have left.

The LTD on their end is largely a propaganda piece. They fight the good fight, foiling the evil Cloti Oppressors (who aren't very numerous, but who apparently hold considerable sway with Square Enix) at every turn, despite how well they actually do.

Little do they realize, however, that they are just like the creationists who scoff at evolutionary theory, while asking "Well, if evolution is true, why don't we see Emus give birth to Elephants"? or other such trite.

And yes, it will be worth a good laugh.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

hitoboy, when SE has Cloud seeing a naked Seph in his head, and include dialogue between the two that goes something like "I've thought of a present to give you" & "on your knees, I want to see you beg" etc., I think they're past bone throwing

IT IS THERE, you're just a blind Clukki.

P.S: what be going on at FFF?
P.P.S: Just as an aside, regarding the burning inside Cloud, this is what he says in Tactics:

His "trembling" and "burning" is usually a reaction to Seph messing with his head (in game and out).

Or it could be that he's crying because he doesn't get to tap that anymore. Come to yer own conclusions

 

[Madame Mayor]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Rinoa link=topic=53.msg4327#msg4327 date=1230268013]
Balth will jump in her chair when she reads this XD
[/quote]

Actually, I tend to read things from my bed... *does jumping everyone's expecting her to do* However, I did already know those quotes and did previous jumping up and down for them. Oh well, there can never be too much celebrating over how totally canonz Tserith is.

@Spirit:
Tseng is in love with Aerith, the whole, "but Tseng likes that Ancient" thing made it clear, and then we have them calling it love in the ultimania.

Though... that's not entirely correct about the only LTD thing. Aerith's character profile from the original game says something like, "she's interested in the love triangle developing between her, Cloud and Tifa."

 

[spirit_chaser]

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Cloud was def sad (more shocked Id say) when Aerith died, but to me he looked more angry (at Seph).
In CoT its said that Tifa at first didnt feel much grief for Aerith too, she `transformered` it into an anger for Seph.

As for Clerith `proof` that Cloud never gets to fight Aerith in AU games (and that means something), here is an interesting video to watch (form Mugen):

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkenNaNYWcU"]YouTube - MUGEN: Cloud & Tifa vs. Aerith & Sephiroth [Watch Mode][/ame]

...

Though... that's not entirely correct about the only LTD thing. Aerith's character profile from the original game says something like, "she's interested in the love triangle developing between her, Cloud and Tifa."

I dont remember that Anyway, SE could mention it once again in the recently released books...

 

[Purple]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Forgive me for veering a little from the conversation but how long was Cloud living in Aerith's church again? The thought just crossed mind and I had to ask.

On topic. As much as I like TsengxAerith, I'm more of a TsengxElena person.
[quote author=spirit_chaser link=topic=53.msg4375#msg4375 date=1230277095]

As for Clerith `proof` that Cloud never gets to fight Aerith in AU games (and that means something), here is an interesting video to watch (form Mugen):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkenNaNYWcU


[/quote]

OMGWTFBBQ! What is this? It's awesome. Haha!

 

[Strangelove]

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I'm sure a duration was mentioned somewhere, but I don't remember where now. I don't think it was more than a fortnight, though.

A long period of time doesn't seem workable, since the kids don't seem used to Cloud not being there. If Cloud had already been gone for months, I would think Denzel and Marlene would have gotten used to it and not be asking where he was.

Looking briefly at Case of Tifa, it says that Cloud continues doing his work even after he left (and obviously, in AC as well). If he was completely dead-set on dying to be with Aerith, why would he bother carrying on with his work?

[quote author=OneWingedDemon link=topic=53.msg4354#msg4354 date=1230271757]
IT IS THERE, you're just a blind Clukki.
[/quote]
THEIR LOVE IS LIKE RAIN.

That's why AC is Clukki. Cloud kissing the rain = Mukki. Who was associated with water/hot tubs long before that pink hussy.

 

[Goodbye Charlie]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

As I recall it was a few days he was away from Tifa's place, but after months of non-debate, I can't remember which resource confirms this - it must be an Ultimania or interview source as I recall it was quite specific and thereby dispelled the idea he was "living" there; the space between Case of Tifa and Advent Children was meant to be quite short.

Afterall, the whole point is that when Tifa strikes the notion that Denizel was a gift from Aeris (Case of Tifa) the guy feels so guilty he makes a pigrimage to the church. It's not love or comfort - he's visiting her grave, knowing he'll die soon, feeling unworthy of the happiness the girl he failed has bestowed upon him, a happiness he can't enjoy because of his mistakes.

As for the comment about this topic showing people have too much time on their hands - balderdash. It's just an inane topic that I think many just enjoy chatting about while learning nothing. I have a very busy life at the moment, but it only takes five minutes to make a post.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=spirit_chaser link=topic=53.msg4375#msg4375 date=1230277095]
As for Clerith `proof` that Cloud never gets to fight Aerith in AU games (and that means something), here is an interesting video to watch (form Mugen):[/quote]

Screwy. I still don't know what they're trying to get at with the 'they fought in a fighting game!' shtick. Ranma and Akane, Mai and Andy, Killik and Xianghua, give me a few more fighting games, I'll name you a few more loving couples who beat the schnoogie out of each other for the sake of an entertaining game.

Though... that's not entirely correct about the only LTD thing. Aerith's character profile from the original game says something like, "she's interested in the love triangle developing between her, Cloud and Tifa."

I dont remember that Anyway, SE could mention it once again in the recently released books...
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Eh, even if it they care to reiterate it, it's not like it's exactly vital. A love triangle only requires that three people be involved, and there be a question of romance. There does not need to be romantic feelings for both the bases from the point, nor does there need to be a romantic feelings for the point from both bases. You can have a Base-> Point -> Other base Love Triangle.

[quote author=hitoshura link=topic=53.msg4397#msg4397 date=1230290010]
I'm sure a duration was mentioned somewhere, but I don't remember where now. I don't think it was more than a fortnight, though.

A long period of time doesn't seem workable, since the kids don't seem used to Cloud not being there. If Cloud had already been gone for months, I would think Denzel and Marlene would have gotten used to it and not be asking where he was.

Looking briefly at Case of Tifa, it says that Cloud continues doing his work even after he left (and obviously, in AC as well). If he was completely dead-set on dying to be with Aerith, why would he bother carrying on with his work? [/quote]

The time dot in Cloud's timeline explaining that he leaves the house also explains the events of AC. However long he was gone, it was definitely less time than gap between Tifa finding him in the train station and dec 9 when he went on his first mission.

[quote author=OneWingedDemon link=topic=53.msg4354#msg4354 date=1230271757]
IT IS THERE, you're just a blind Clukki.
[/quote]
THEIR LOVE IS LIKE RAIN.

That's why AC is Clukki. Cloud kissing the rain = Mukki. Who was associated with water/hot tubs long before that pink hussy.
[/quote]

Doesn't he wear a pink speedo too, or am I misremembering that one?

[quote author=Goodbye Charlie link=topic=53.msg4410#msg4410 date=1230296197]
Afterall, the whole point is that when Tifa strikes the notion that Denizel was a gift from Aeris (Case of Tifa)[/quote]

Except she doesn't strike the idea that he was a gift from Aerith. She just says he wasn't brought to Cloud, but to the both of them, to which Cloud Smiles.

the guy feels so guilty he makes a pigrimage to the church. It's not love or comfort - he's visiting her grave, knowing he'll die soon, feeling unworthy of the happiness the girl he failed has bestowed upon him, a happiness he can't enjoy because of his mistakes.

I wouldn't say it quite like that, or that he 'knew' he was going to die soon. Expecting too, probably, but not wanting too. Hence the search for forgiveness.

 

[spirit_chaser]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Looking briefly at Case of Tifa, it says that Cloud continues doing his work even after he left (and obviously, in AC as well). If he was completely dead-set on dying to be with Aerith, why would he bother carrying on with his work?

Besides this (great point) SE never mentioned anything about Cloud`s 'suicidal moods'. As well as his "desire to be with Aerith".

It was all about guilt and self-doubt.

Screwy. I still don't know what they're trying to get at with the 'they fought in a fighting game!' shtick. Ranma and Akane, Mai and Andy, Killik and Xianghua, give me a few more fighting games, I'll name you a few more loving couples who beat the schnoogie out of each other for the sake of an entertaining game.

Indeed. Im generally against bringing AU games into LTD, simply because they had no impact on the original story.
But since Cleriths keeps clinging into these 'proofs'... there`re some good vids for Cloits entertainment too :

Except she doesn't strike the idea that he was a gift from Aerith. She just says he wasn't brought to Cloud, but to the both of them, to which Cloud Smiles.

Duh. Clerii like to use Denzel as a Clerith 'proof' all the time. Despite Nojima explaining the very point that Denzel war brought to BOTH Cloud and Tifa:

After Denzel recovered, she listened to his story about everything that happened to him before he arrived here. Then she thought to herself that he was supposed to come here. He was one of the victims when Sector Seven was destroyed. The reason why Sector Seven was destroyed was because of us. That's why I had to take responsibility and raise him. He didn't go to Cloud's place. He met Cloud so that he could come to my place.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

But CoT is only from ~Tifa's POV~, which means she must have twisted it. Not like Aerith and her POV in Maiden.

Fighting games: on AC someone brought up an Inuyasha game, with Inuyasha fighting against Kagome(?).

AU: In KHII, Cloud says he doesn't care what happens to his world. The world where Aerith is. So ergo, Cloud must not care about Aerith.

 

[Tennyo]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Mugen video is WIN. How do I play this game? I've always wanted to know.

 

[Celes Chere]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Fighting games: on AC someone brought up an Inuyasha game, with Inuyasha fighting against Kagome(?).

I can't believe that they actually think that a couple is not in love when they're fighting outside of story mode. >_> Actually, in story-mode I think Inuyasha and Kagome fight. It was something about Inuyasha making Shippo cry or some nonsense like that.

Also, there's Tekken. Xiayou and Jin fought against one another too.

Not like Aerith and her POV in Maiden.

I find it funny that they're saying things like "Aerith was completely different in Crisis Core", but she was herself in Maiden. : I thought CC portrayed Aerith's character PERFECTLY.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Whut, people shouldn't act different in the past? They should stay the same?

I guess Cloud should still be the Tifa-fixated youth he was in the past, then

 

[Goodbye Charlie]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Ryushikaze link=topic=53.msg4431#msg4431 date=1230310187]
[quote author=Goodbye Charlie link=topic=53.msg4410#msg4410 date=1230296197]
Afterall, the whole point is that when Tifa strikes the notion that Denizel was a gift from Aeris (Case of Tifa)[/quote]

Except she doesn't strike the idea that he was a gift from Aerith. She just says he wasn't brought to Cloud, but to the both of them, to which Cloud Smiles.[/quote]

And as I recall (and it's been a while), that's when he disappears. I always got the impression that the bitter truth was the notion she offers as comfort is the very notion that tears him away, that the idea that the gift of his family was somehow in part Aeris' gift, is what finally drives him away, feeling the guilt press harder.

the guy feels so guilty he makes a pigrimage to the church. It's not love or comfort - he's visiting her grave, knowing he'll die soon, feeling unworthy of the happiness the girl he failed has bestowed upon him, a happiness he can't enjoy because of his mistakes.

I wouldn't say it quite like that, or that he 'knew' he was going to die soon. Expecting too, probably, but not wanting too. Hence the search for forgiveness.

Semantics my old friend. He was diseased, whether one want to suggest he expected or knew for certain he would die, the bottom line is he was in a degenerative state he was no longer fighting. He goes to the church not out of love for Aeris or the hope of a cure, but because he's divorced himself away from hope and is simply looking for forgiveness (just as he goes to Zack's grave) as the inevitable comes his way.

Which was my point - that I don't imagine he spends weeks going backwards and forth between grave and church, I get the impression its a short time, maybe even a night he spends at the church and a short time the following day at the grave. Maybe longer if we factor in work he's continuing with. I could be wrong, could be longer, but really I don't get the impression he's living away that long, just long enough for Tifa to be worried.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Goodbye Charlie link=topic=53.msg4448#msg4448 date=1230316972]
And as I recall (and it's been a while), that's when he disappears. I always got the impression that the bitter truth was the notion she offers as comfort is the very notion that tears him away, that the idea that the gift of his family was somehow in part Aeris' gift, is what finally drives him away, feeling the guilt press harder.[/quote]

Well, he does leave shortly thereafter, but considering he sort of thought that Aerith had sent Denzel to him before, I don't quite see how Tifa confirming it but in the plural could drive him over the edge. The two most vital factors in Cloud's walkabout are his happiness with Tifa and kids causing him to feel the burden of the guilt for his failures, thus causing his loneliness and paranoia, and his contracting of Geostigma, which I believe he saw as a sign that he was being punished.

Semantics my old friend. He was diseased, whether one want to suggest he expected or knew for certain he would die, the bottom line is he was in a degenerative state he was no longer fighting. He goes to the church not out of love for Aeris or the hope of a cure, but because he's divorced himself away from hope and is simply looking for forgiveness (just as he goes to Zack's grave) as the inevitable comes his way.

Oh, I agree (well, all except the hope of a cure. I get the idea that he thought he might get a cure if he could get forgiven.) I just wouldn't have phrased it that way. It's entirely a matter of semantic, and I will admit that.

Which was my point - that I don't imagine he spends weeks going backwards and forth between grave and church, I get the impression its a short time, maybe even a night he spends at the church and a short time the following day at the grave. Maybe longer if we factor in work he's continuing with. I could be wrong, could be longer, but really I don't get the impression he's living away that long, just long enough for Tifa to be worried.

I think three days to a week or so would make the most sense.

Also, Seong Mina and Yunsung (or whatever the elder brother of those two is named) they fought in Soul Edge and in SC3.
The Dead or Alive series is full of couple taking a swing at each other, too.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Doesn't AC take place in a day or two?
I give Cloud a week in the church at most, probably a lot less. Wasn't there a timeline?

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

The Reunion Files gives a timeline for the film, which spans 3 days IIRC.

I think under a week seems a bit short. Cloud has to go missing, leave Tifa wondering if he was attacked or something, then people start seeing him and he takes jobs again, and Tifa to call him. Reasonably I think that would be almost a week. I think AC starting in the middle or at the end of the second week works out best.

Another thing related to this: If Cloud was never home, as some have claimed in the past, why would Tifa and co. be so concerned over what is a normal thing?

 

[spirit_chaser]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=53.msg4440#msg4440 date=1230314863]
Mugen video is WIN. How do I play this game? I've always wanted to know.
[/quote]

I know nothing of this game :-\
My friend send me that link.

 

[cracktastic]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I just wanted to say something concerning the lines, "A love that could never be..." in that commercial.
Notice that if you look before the commercial, it says, "A hatred that always was." And who are they referring to in that commercial? Sephiroth.
But note that Cloud admired Sephiroth most of his life. He didn't ALWAYS hate Sephiroth. In fact, one of the reasons why he joined SOLDIER (besides the fact that he wanted to impress Tifa and be her hero) was because he wanted to be as great as Sephiroth, who was admired by many back then.