The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Plus we need to find a new forum for it to be posted on. FFF has officially banned Love Triangle threads.

 

[Goodbye Charlie]

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*cues Lonely Man music from The Incredible Hulk*

One day you'll find a cure for the savage Cleris that rages within fandom.

"Don't make me angry - I go pretty pink when I'm angry."

 

[Username.]

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Its cloud x tifa. i can't be assed to explain cos its all on ACF, wel i learned from there.

 

[spirit_chaser]

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FFF closed LTD when we were about to kick final ass =D

'Its not like we lost the argument, its the evil clerith mods that closed the thread'... I already hear Clerith saying this :

 

[Ryushikaze]

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I respectfully disagree, Spirit. We weren't ABOUT to kick final ass. It had already begun.

 

[spirit_chaser]

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But I sooo wanted to see how they were going to respond after I demand quotes from SE stating Cloud and Aerith are in romantic relationship (to match those we have for Cloud and Tifa), and how theyll cover 'Aerith is Mother'.

The mods mustv sensed that it was Cleriths ultimate end and closed the thread.

 

[Madame Mayor]

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I love how the mods who were complaining all post in the Clerith club. Can you be anymore transparent? Also, what's with all of the confusion on what LTD threads are? They are NOT shipping wars. They are about what's canon and what has been proven as undeniable fact.

And why do Clerii always say, "I don't care what you say, I will still like Clerith better." I don't know what LTD threads were like in the olden days, but I've never once told a shipper what to ship, and told them it should be based on canon.

 

[Ryushikaze]

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Personally, I love the 'you don't know what Koibito means' from someone who by their own admission doesn't speak the language, and whose source doesn't speak the language, but who does have sources, who wind up being less credible than the 'japanese friends' she accused her mythical opponents of using (and which she herself has used in the past).

And from back in the day, I don't recall much in the way of people giving a shit about who was better for Cloud on the C/T side, outside of a side point.

As for Mods and their sympathies, there's a reason I let other people deal with the LTD thread if it got out of hand at ACF and only dealt with the most obviously out of control posts.
I certainly never got on anyone's case about being mean to the other side, despite the less than stellar records of some of our more active cleriths.

Of course, I also think it's better to air the dirty laundry, which the net nannies don't seem to share my views on.

 

[Tir McDohl]

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I have a quick question. I'm not sure if this was touched on or not, but are there any quotes that could put to rest this demeaning of Tifa by C/A fans in the form of "She's an emotionally weak, clingy, and pessimistic woman", and if so, can I be pointed to where they are(hopefully in English)?

I never thought of Tifa as weak, emotionally or otherwise, and it annoys me to no end when C/A-ers compare this "weak" Tifa to the strong willed, ever-optimistic and mighty Aerith. Not that I don't know that Aerith puts on a bright face even when troubled, but y'know...the constant sycophantic worship can be a bit much.

If this was on a previous page in this thread, I apologize. I didn't want to read 43 pages.

 

[Ryushikaze]

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Naoto, in this case, Reunion Files is very very much your friend. It describes her as a strong woman, as not clingy, and that she gives Cloud his space and supports Cloud with occasional nudging, not constant lecturing.
But that's only step one. You must demand the fucknuts prove their own case. They claim Tifa is Emotionally weak, Clingy, and Pessimistic? THEY suffer the burden of proof, not you.

 

[spirit_chaser]

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I agree with Ryushikaze.
You`ll find exactly the opposite things said about Tifa by the creators, not some pathetic haters.

Besides, I recommend you to read On the Way to a Smile - Case of Tifa.
There is one scene where Cloud is telling Tifa that he`ll always be there to remind her of her strong, cheerful and optimistic self.

 

[Tir McDohl]

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Ha, when I asked them to prove their case, they used stuff from the game like how Tifa is always the one who bemoans the party's situation, like when she says something like "This is terrible" in the sewers under Corneo's mansion(which I thought was just, uh, the truth)or how she "gives up" on everything when she finds Cloud in Mideel and won't fight anymore.

So, the Reunion Files? I have no idea where to find English translations of RF. But that's fine. I'll just tell them to look there if they want their proof.

Thanks, Ryushikaze, spirit_chaser.

Besides, I recommend you to read On the Way to a Smile - Case of Tifa.
There is one scene where Cloud is telling Tifa that he`ll always be there to remind her of her strong, cheerful and optimistic self.

To which they replied, "Tifa isn't really like how Cloud described. It's just further proof that he doesn't really know her". Apparently, they think that's just how Tifa used to be as a child, when Cloud adored her, and that he hasn't gotten to know "her real self that's changed due to hardship and tragedy".

Pretty exasperating.

 

[null.]

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CxA doesn't work with Tifa in the picture, ergo CxA sticklers have no choice but to demean her. There's no silver bullet quote that will change that.

 

[spirit_chaser]

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Ha, when I asked them to prove their case, they used stuff from the game like how Tifa is always the one who bemoans the party's situation, like when she says something like "This is terrible" in the sewers under Corneo's mansion(which I thought was just, uh, the truth)or how she "gives up" on everything when she finds Cloud in Mideel and won't fight anymore.

Typical pathetic Clerii.

So, the Reunion Files? I have no idea where to find English translations of RF. But that's fine. I'll just tell them to look there if they want their proof.

RF is a bilingual book. I believe you can download it through torrent. I dont have a direct link now, though =/

To which they replied, "Tifa isn't really like how Cloud described. It's just further proof that he doesn't really know her". Apparently, they think that's just how Tifa used to be as a child, when Cloud adored her, and that he hasn't gotten to know "her real self that's changed due to hardship and tragedy".

Again, typical Clerith bollocks

 

[lunar_crimson]

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[quote author=Naoto Shirogane link=topic=53.msg4639#msg4639 date=1230611284]

Pretty exasperating.
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Which is why you play with them only when you're extremely bored and in need of entertainment. For me at least. They're pretty funny.

 

[Tennyo]

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[quote author=Ryushikaze link=topic=53.msg4574#msg4574 date=1230591554]
Let's see, Cloud to Sephy, KH: FM. "You are my darkness."
Nomura "If Sephiroth is Cloud's darkness Tifa is light"

Well, the premise is fulfilled, ergo, the subsequent conclusion is valid as well.[/quote]

By this logic why the flip are we arguing between Clerith and Cloti? We should be arguing Clerphiroth and Cloti. I mean come on people.

 

[Tir McDohl]

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There's no silver bullet quote that will change that.

True, and I guess it wouldn't matter if there was. They'd find a way around it. If they're dead set on hating Tifa, nothing'll stop 'em.

I know it'd be better to ignore them, and for the most part that's what I do, but it gets my ire up sometimes. ^^

 

[Tennyo]

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I hear your plight, Naoto. But I think the people you are going up against are the extreme of the extreme. Debating canon is one thing, debating what is "best" is another. Let them hate Tifa; you can't change them and they can't change you. They can all stay hidden in their little corner of the internet for all the good it would do. Just don't let them get to you. Every fandom has extremists on both sides.

In fact it kind of seems to be the way the entire world works for that matter.

 

[Madame Mayor]

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[quote author=Naoto Shirogane link=topic=53.msg4644#msg4644 date=1230612085]

There's no silver bullet quote that will change that.

True, and I guess it wouldn't matter if there was. They'd find a way around it. If they're dead set on hating Tifa, nothing'll stop 'em.

I know it'd be better to ignore them, and for the most part that's what I do, but it gets my ire up sometimes. ^^
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Personally, I like to argue with people who hates characters for made up reasons. Sure, it's silly and I know I won't get anywhere, but I think if you dislike a character it should be for who they are.

I don't really like Elena because she's unprofessional, though I feel the scene in the Temple redeems her a bit.

I argue with the people who hate Aerith cause she sacrificed herself as well.

May I ask where this current debate is going on atm?

 

[Tir McDohl]

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http://z8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/index.php?showtopic=8978&st=0#entry12056638

Not all of their arguments I mentioned are from the current debate. They were with the same people, though, just at different times.

It's at the C/A forums.

 

[Celes Chere]

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Aww, this sucks. I missed a lot of the LTD final moments. At least it will be a fun read. I think an LTD should be opened on a site that's less high strung, haha. Really, those mods were over-reacting.

"Stop gaiz! You might hurt the Cleriths feelings!"

Personally, I love the 'you don't know what Koibito means' from someone who by their own admission doesn't speak the language, and whose source doesn't speak the language, but who does have sources, who wind up being less credible than the 'japanese friends' she accused her mythical opponents of using (and which she herself has used in the past).

I definitely agree on this one. She tries to point the fingers at us, but I admitted I don't know the Japanese language. I know a lot of people around here know quite a bit, and also, I'm able to read a dictionary. :/ Not only that but like I pointed out before- her English is shit, so I can't expect her 'knowledge' of the Japanese language to be much better.

She's an emotionally weak, clingy, and pessimistic woman

-shakes head- This is horrid. Tifa isn't pessimistic, she's just a bit insecure. That's what makes her so relatable and also, more matching to Cloud's character. -wink wink nudge nudge- Didn't the RF make a whole page saying how they wanted to make Tifa appear to be NOT clingy? And that was a defining trait in her character? Obviously, fans that dislike Tifa for these silly reasons are just finding another reason to demean "the evil Cloti". It's a shame that their hate for a pairing, and people who like said pairing, as to make them hate Tifa's character as well.

 

[spirit_chaser]

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http://z8.invisionfree.com/Cloud_x_Aerith/index.php?showtopic=722
Its also funny that Cleriths actually opened a Tifa`s thread in their Clubs section. Its called "Fragile: Handle With Care".

Anyway the reason I named the club Fragile: Handle With Care is because that's how I like to view Tifa, a tragic character who puts up a tough front but deep down inside she's just a confused girl who wants to be taken care of.

Srsly :

There they ramble about Tifa being a 'good girl' and not at all a threat to C/A.

I wonder how much more hypocrite they can get.

edit: ther`re sill no Cleriths on this forum?
It would be lovely to chat without extra sensitive mods breathing down your neck.

 

[Madame Mayor]

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Wait, so trying to say Tifa isn't emotionally weak is going against CxA's rules? Seriously? Shouldn't who Tifa is as a person, or whether or not she understands him have nothing to do with Clerith?

Sounds more like any mention of Tifa in a good light hurts their fakeargumentsthat don't make sense to try and discredit Cloud and Tifa's relationship.

 

[spirit_chaser]

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The truth is they know that Tifa is the woman Cloud loves and that Cloti is canon.
Thats why they cant do nothing, but bitch about it in their little pink paradise.

 

[Madame Mayor]

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Sometimes I really wonder.

I think personally it's not that they know Cloti is canon, but that they don't understand what canon means. This is why they are able to keep deluding themselves into believing it. They seem to think canon is what one makes of the story, and in that sense their interpretations are valid evidence. They don't completely ignore all the Cloti evidence, but they are able to twist it into something it's not, and then again, believe their twists are valid.