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Tennyo

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Re: Love Triangle Discussion

You bring up one of the more key points there, crackitlackin. The commercial is nothing more than a clever marketing team trying to make the game as appealing to the masses as possible without actually knowing much about it. I'm sure they were given a brief synopsis of the plot and copies of all the FMV videos and were told to go from there.
 

cracktastic

Lv. 1 Adventurer
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It was nothing but a marketing team; it had nothing to do with the original creators of the game, as they are not advertisers themselves. I used to be a Clerith before all this, and I find it silly how Clerith's think the commercial can be used as proof when there are mistakes.
[quote author=spirit_chaser link=topic=53.msg4472#msg4472 date=1230329403]
The commercial was so great that it has become Clerith major proof eversince.

http://www.geocities.com/anime_art2003/ClAeris_proof.html
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It's quite easy debunking all their proof, especially the merchandise one. They have their own Cloud/Tifa merchandise as well, and yes, it's FROM Japan, not from some other foreign country that the coke cans are labeled.
http://tifa.nu/tifa/original/merchandise_kotobukiyafigureadventchildreneditionnojoints.jpg
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Silly, silly, silly Clerith's. I can debunk all their 'proofz,' and provide 'proofz' for the Cloti's. It's simple, really. You don't see any Cloti sites because we don't need one, but the angrier a cult gets, the more fierce and determined they seem to be when it comes to having it their way. They even claim that Amano was part of the Final Fantasy VII project, when stated by Amano himself that he had not.
 

spirit_chaser

Pro Adventurer
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

That some Clerith are obssessive over their choosen pairing is a well known fact.
For me personally LTD doesnt exist, not anymore.
SE provided ENOUGH evidence that the Compilatiton is Zerith and Cloti, and I dont see a need anymore to try and prove why my POV as a Cloti is considerable.
Its more like chatting with fellow Cloti and occasianlly making fun of some Clerith fans 8)
 

Fighter

Pro Adventurer
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

"A love that could never be..." -- how does it help them? It's a love that could never happen for various reasons, in this sense the statement is accurate.

It definitely doesn't fit the mantra of star crossed lovers who conquer death and spirit-hump in flower fields.
 

Rinoa

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Selene, Sheila
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by their logic crying=love
That's awful. Tifa and Yuffie are the ones who actually cried for her IIRC..

to keep from losing what little 'territory' (in the form of people who think the story ended with a Cloud and Aerith pairing) that they have left.

This.

Their community 'events' and 'promotions' for true believers is a piss poor disguise for trying to keep the dwindling numbers (pawns) coming back.

Notice how it is the new/lesser pawns who are constantly manipulated into going to other forums and 'fighting' for them by reciting their words? They do it in the hopes of being accepted but they're just being used.
 

Purple

Charmed
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Fighter link=topic=53.msg4483#msg4483 date=1230333772]
"A love that could never be..." -- how does it help them? It's a love that could never happen for various reasons, in this sense the statement is accurate.

It definitely doesn't fit the mantra of star crossed lovers who conquer death and spirit-hump in flower fields.
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True. What's so romantic about it? It's a love that can NEVER be for pete's sake. It should be a love that NEVER was if you ask me.

EDIT: Rinoa, I love your icon. Where'd you get it?
 
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I still love the ones that got hooked on KH apparently. Considering the scene is so quick and in the credits that I missed it my first two playthroughs and only saw it the third time after someone had told me of it's existence.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=hitoshura link=topic=53.msg4463#msg4463 date=1230324295]
The Reunion Files gives a timeline for the film, which spans 3 days IIRC.

I think under a week seems a bit short. Cloud has to go missing, leave Tifa wondering if he was attacked or something, then people start seeing him and he takes jobs again, and Tifa to call him. Reasonably I think that would be almost a week. I think AC starting in the middle or at the end of the second week works out best.[/quote]

Three days is simply my absolute lower limit. I think two weeks is a reasonable time for Cloud to spend in the self imposed exile.

Another thing related to this: If Cloud was never home, as some have claimed in the past, why would Tifa and co. be so concerned over what is a normal thing?

Because she's a massive butt-inski, OF COURSE.
Or so they say. That still doesn't explain why people would be calling the house and Tifa would say 'He's not here...' if he was never home.

[quote author=crackitlackin link=topic=53.msg4470#msg4470 date=1230328576]
I just wanted to say something concerning the lines, "A love that could never be..." in that commercial.
Notice that if you look before the commercial, it says, "A hatred that always was." And who are they referring to in that commercial? Sephiroth.
But note that Cloud admired Sephiroth most of his life. He didn't ALWAYS hate Sephiroth. In fact, one of the reasons why he joined SOLDIER (besides the fact that he wanted to impress Tifa and be her hero) was because he wanted to be as great as Sephiroth, who was admired by many back then.
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Crackit, good call, but entirely old hat. But that doesn't stop people from trying. I had someone who tried to say that even if Cloud only hated Sephiroth for five minutes, it was a 'hate that always was'. Now, far be it from me to directly insult those I parlay with, but holy hell do these people not even know ENGLISH? Is someone seriously going to try and say "Always" means "since a little while ago?"

Yes. Yes they are. They have. I wish I was making some of these people up, but they are all too real.

I wonder whatever happened to old Shakesphere and LSA. The former was insane but amusing, and the latter was quite pleasant. Tis a shame they are replaced with people the like of Jukain...
 

Sheepy

Pro Adventurer
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=spirit_chaser link=topic=53.msg4480#msg4480 date=1230332420]For me personally LTD doesnt exist, not anymore.
SE provided ENOUGH evidence that the Compilatiton is Zerith and Cloti, and I dont see a need anymore to try and prove why my POV as a Cloti is considerable.
[/quote]Same here. But I find it rather amusing how after the Compilation some people are still trying so hard to find proof that validates Clerith when everything ends up being really random and easily debunked, the advert being a very good example of that.

I mean, let's imagine that the world is electing a president of Final Fantasy Love (please bear with me, that's the best I can come up with D:). Three of the candidates are Mr Cloti, Mr Clerith and Mr Zerith. So that they can win the elections, each of the candidates has to prove themselves to be logical and worthy of such a respectable (?) position, and it kinda goes like this:

[quote author=Mr Cloti]In the game this and that happens. In the film they do this. And in the novel they say that. Oh, and there's also the Ultimania books in which the creators say stuff that confirms everything. So, yeah, please vote for me. :)[/quote]
~World applauds~​

[quote author=Mr Zerith]Um, what Mr Cloti said, but please vote for me instead. I provide more cuteness. ;)[/quote]
~World applauds~​


[quote author=Mr Clerith]I should be president of love because my supporters have come up with these really awesome, albeit slightly crazy theories about how the two individuals in question are having sexual intercourse in the middle of a flowerfield. I'm aware that such thing makes no sense at all and is never even implied anywhere, but c'mon. Bang-bang? In the flowers? With a dead person? That's pure awesomness and eternal wub right there. :duhard:[/quote]
~After what seems like an eternity of silence, lulz are heard~​


See what I mean? No offense to any Clerii still out there, if you like the pairing please be my guest to enjoy it. But please realize that in the canon, it belongs not. D':

I'll go away now, love d-batez aren't my thing even if there's pretty much nothing to d-bate about. :monster:
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Fighter link=topic=53.msg4483#msg4483 date=1230333772]
"A love that could never be..." -- how does it help them? It's a love that could never happen for various reasons, in this sense the statement is accurate.

It definitely doesn't fit the mantra of star crossed lovers who conquer death and spirit-hump in flower fields.
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Yeah, love beyond death and 'could never be' do not jive together logically. If it can never be, then it can't be. QED.

[quote author=Rinoa link=topic=53.msg4486#msg4486 date=1230340584]
by their logic crying=love
That's awful. Tifa and Yuffie are the ones who actually cried for her IIRC..[/quote]

Oh dear. TiYuAe for the WIN!

to keep from losing what little 'territory' (in the form of people who think the story ended with a Cloud and Aerith pairing) that they have left.

This.

Their community 'events' and 'promotions' for true believers is a piss poor disguise for trying to keep the dwindling numbers (pawns) coming back.

Notice how it is the new/lesser pawns who are constantly manipulated into going to other forums and 'fighting' for them by reciting their words? They do it in the hopes of being accepted but they're just being used.

Also note how the 'big wigs' never get involved? It's kind of hilarious when you consider that they consider me the 'leader' of the opposition. If I am the leader, I lead from the 'front'. What does that say about them?

[quote author=Purple link=topic=53.msg4487#msg4487 date=1230341449]
True. What's so romantic about it? It's a love that can NEVER be for pete's sake. It should be a love that NEVER was if you ask me.
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A love that could never be can in fact never be because it never was from a certain viewpoint.
Aerith had a love that could never be because Cloud's love never was.
Oh snap. I went there again. I said the exact opposite of the C/A party byline while offering JUST AS MUCH proof as they always do for their interpretations.
 

spirit_chaser

Pro Adventurer
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Same here. But I find it rather amusing how after the Compilation some people are still trying so hard to find proof that validates Clerith when everything ends up being really random and easily debunked, the advert being a very good example of that.

Some Clerii are trying for years now to rewrite FFVII`s story. And impose their 'vision' on others.
This is the only thing I find disturbing in the LTD case. Other than that Clerii serve as a constant source of lolz for the entire FFVII fandom ;)

See what I mean?

Sure.
It doesnt take long to notice how actually biased and emotionally involved Clerii in LTD.
Bacause you cant consider yourself 'a true FFVII fan' and keep insisting that Clerith is canon.

But there is also another type of Clerith fans. Who may not like Cloti, still not arguing against obvious canon. Those are minority though.

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'Love that could never be'
Then there was no love to begin with?
Or it ended with Aerith`s death.

'Hate that always was'
Cloud to Seph: 'I respected you!... and admired you!...'

Then again, logic was never Clerii strong side... ::)
 

Celes Chere

Banned
AKA
Noctis
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

The Clerith responded to everything besides the TsengxAerith vs CloudxAerith post.

Why is that? :D

And questioning my knowledge on FFVI? Must I smack a bitch? :monster:

'Hate that always was'
Cloud to Seph: 'I respected you!... and admired you!...'

Clerith: But it says was! That means a hate in the past!

Does what she said not speak for itself? :duhard:

 

spirit_chaser

Pro Adventurer
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Oh, Celes, your LTD@FFF is so very typical!

Cloti: Facts, facts, facts. 2 + 2 = 4. Period.
Accept and get over it.

Clerith: Nonsence, nonsence and more made up nonsence, Trying to prove that 2 + 2 = 5, never accepting the truth, because love '5' more than '4'.

Lame example though :duhard:

Trying to make Clerith see that FFVII and Compilation is Cloti and Zerith is a dead case. You`re beating a dead horse there guys :-\
 

Strangelove

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AKA
hitoshura
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=53.msg4471#msg4471 date=1230328745]
Commercials in general are nothing more than a clever marketing team trying to make the product as appealing to the masses as possible without actually knowing much about it.[/quote]
Fixxed :monster:

In the tier of stuff you should take any notice at all of when trying to analyse something, I think adverts should come around the bottom of the list.
 

Max Payne

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AKA
Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I haven't seen a commercial that was "clever" in years man.
 

Strangelove

AI Researcher
AKA
hitoshura
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Commercials in general are nothing more than a not very clever marketing team trying to make the product as appealing to the masses as possible without actually knowing much about it.
Fixxed ^2 :monster:

[quote author=spirit_chaser link=topic=53.msg4525#msg4525 date=1230364408]
Oh, Celes, your LTD@FFF is so very typical!
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Also: lulz @ Ume person misusing the word 'kuso' all the time.

Then again, they keep using 'dating', which I don't think means what they think it means :monster:
 

Goodbye Charlie

Rising Chest-Bank Protestor
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Dacon link=topic=53.msg4536#msg4536 date=1230366691]
I haven't seen a commercial that was "clever" in years man.
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I think the beauty of commercial advertising is "clever" comes from the understated ability to convince consumers to buy, so unfortunately what is entertainingly clever often gets in the way of such - hence we see so little innovative, amusing adverts these days - ownership comes in knowing how to sell to your audience.

FF7 is an example of how advertisers saw the games commercial success in painting it with simplistic Hollywood parallels than trying anything interesting or even faithful to the game. One could argue that's clever marketing - if it shifts units, which I think it did. As a commercial venture, I think they made the right move for the projected audience, even if its legacy was uninspiring and distortive.
 

Strangelove

AI Researcher
AKA
hitoshura
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Going off of Hollywood standards, I'm going to look at this aspect of FFVII using the Japanese (and Chinese) narrative structure of Kishoutenketsu (????) :monster:

Ki: You're introduced to the characters of Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith, and it seems like it's going for Cloud/Aerith.

Shou: Continues to focus more on Aerith than Tifa.

Ten: Aerith dies, and the Lifestream scene.

Ketsu: Sex on pointy rocks :monster:


Now there's some Japanese culture. Forget Norway fish. How can you get more Japanese than being based in traditional writing tradition :monster:
 
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And questioning my knowledge on FFVI? Must I smack a bitch?

Don't forget she's never even finished the game. :monster:

Even the, "Seems like it's going for Cloud/Aerith" is very light. I thought the promise that's shown before you even get Aerith made it clear both girls had something special going on with Cloud, but he never seemed to care about it.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
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Let's see, Cloud to Sephy, KH: FM. "You are my darkness."
Nomura "If Sephiroth is Cloud's darkness Tifa is light"

Well, the premise is fulfilled, ergo, the subsequent conclusion is valid as well.

And no, we don't seriously consider it. We do it with a wry chuckle escaping our lips, sometime bursting into full on uproarious laughter.
 

OneWingedDemon

NOT AMUSED
Re: Love Triangle Discussion

The Clerith responded to everything besides the TsengxAerith vs CloudxAerith post.
That's cause you need to give them time to take it back to their place, gather wild theories and ridiculous claims from the other Clerii, and then copypaste them back to you. Don't rush them.
 
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