The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Celes Chere]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

It's really silly that they have a whole Forum to talk about other people in. They do that more than actually *liking* CxA, and I really get upset when people talk about me behind my back. Is it hard to type it to me directly? Am I that frightening? : I shouldn't take things like that seriously, but it's kind of annoying that I can't reply to their nonsense said about me, and even some of my friends. Hell, I feel like defending people I don't even know (and don't need it) from their idiocy.

But hey, maybe I should just be like them and pretend to be honored to be 'quoted'.

I really hate when they have the nerve to say that these Forums are no different, when we talk about them.

-They have an option of replying.
-They started it.
-They aren't really capable of human emotions and feelings anyway.

I guess an eye for an eye is a bit 'immature' if you will, but then I look at point three.
It's not like I'm seriously upset or torn up, but it's just annoying. However, it's coming to the point where it's just so ridiculous that it's funny. At least I know that unlike Cleriths, the canon side isn't presenting their cowardice. (And why would the canon side have a reason to. )

And really, whoever flamed them--- they really are asking for it.

 

[Tir McDohl]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

"Although there's a lot to Tifa's character, she's actually very much like any other woman who's been left behind by a man. The director, Nomura, said he wanted to make sure she wasn't a clingy woman, but to portray her as though she's been hurt emotionally in a way that others around her cannot easily detect. But Tifa has expressed her feelings plainly to Cloud a number of times." (Nojima)

I have a question about this statement. The last line is talking about Tifa being worried about Cloud in AC, right? Aren't those the 'feelings' being discussed here?

 

[spirit_chaser]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I recall my time being a member of Cloti forum (which is currently closed, sadly) and I dont remember us making anti-Clerith threads or discussing Aerith as a 'tragic' character.
I also dont know of any Clerith hatelisting made by Cloti.

And they still insist that they`re secure in their pairing... :

 

[looneymoon]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

FFF mods were seriously butthurt over the LTD thread. Nothing from what I saw got that bad. Then again, it was only a matter of time befoe it happened.

I have an itching feeling that a certain pair may have just been constantly reporting posts they got their upset over. IMO, if that's the case, take it up with the person before crying to the mods.

Hating on the threatening character is just a lame attempt to justify a pairing.

[quote author=Balthea link=topic=53.msg4658#msg4658 date=1230618328]
Wait, so trying to say Tifa isn't emotionally weak is going against CxA's rules? Seriously? Shouldn't who Tifa is as a person, or whether or not she understands him have nothing to do with Clerith?

Sounds more like any mention of Tifa in a good light hurts their fakeargumentsthat don't make sense to try and discredit Cloud and Tifa's relationship.
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That really is the case, it seems. Not only pertaining Tifa either. I've seen them totally batardize Cloud and Aerith, the characters they are apparently fans of, to prove their claims. Oh, don't forget about Zack. Though, Tifa is the one that gets all the outright bashing. Are they really that insecure about a silly video game pairing? I mean, FF7 was more than just a giant LT-based shoujo manga.

It greatly remindes me of H/Hr shippers bashing Ron senselessly. It just reflects very badly on the fandom. And that's coming from someone who actually likes H/Hr.

 

[Celes Chere]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

FFF mods were seriously butthurt over the LTD thread.

Hm, the two Mods that announced it was being closed down, were both Cleriths. Odd. If anyone should win the worst Mod of the year award, I'm polishing this nice big golden shiny one for a certain one of them. She's so unfair and biased. Not to mention, hypocritical. She's allowed to insult people and be sarcastic, but other people aren't? And then claims people who LTD have no life, but joins right in anyway? Whatever. I suppose she's only insulting herself.

IMO, if that's the case, take it up with the person before crying to the mods.

Haha, those certain "two" have a habit for trying to pick fights (instigating) and also, had a tendency to flame others in the past. I didn't really like my Inbox being spammed with
"CloudxAerith for ever, Ticlo sucks!"
Over 40 times.

You know, out of Cloud, Aerith, and Tifa, I like Cloud the least, lol.

 

[spirit_chaser]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Duh, Clerith 'mods' closed the thread because they saw their end was nigh.
We had facts by our side;
they had nothing, but their own ignorant assumptions.

So... *surprise surprise* Clerith mods closed the thread.

 

[looneymoon]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

It was very unfair, and there definitely was alot of singling out. At the same time, I do get the impression that there may have been constant reports/complaints in the mod's direction by certain people, so that may serve some explanation of apparent biases. Or maybe I'm just being too sympathetic, I dunno. Of course, I don't really feel right getting in the middle of it, having barely been involved. It's just what I observed. It was very, very petty but eh... dramaz aren't worth it.

Out of Cloud, Tifa and Aeris I like Cloud the most... and you know, as a person who likes Cloud, I don't see why fans wouldn't want him to move on and be happy raising kids with the girl he's always obsessed over. I really do wonder sometimes if they actually like the characters they ship. I'm sure some of them have some sort of self-insertion relationship with Aeris, which I personally don't quite understand.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Tennyo link=topic=53.msg4643#msg4643 date=1230612008]By this logic why the flip are we arguing between Clerith and Cloti? We should be arguing Clerphiroth and Cloti. I mean come on people.
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I ban everyone who isn't a Clukki.

[quote author=Ryushikaze link=topic=53.msg4632#msg4632 date=1230609620]
Personally, I love the 'you don't know what Koibito means' from someone who by their own admission doesn't speak the language[/quote]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/vilaeth_0/snapshot20080406002949.jpg

Here's a webcam shot of me as I read threads like these, realising the koibito/Japanese/world I knew were all a lie. And that all those people were lying to me for some unknown reason.

Now I find out that that was all a lie!!

[quote author=Naoto Shirogane link=topic=53.msg4665#msg4665 date=1230620736]
I have a question about this statement. The last line is talking about Tifa being worried about Cloud in AC, right? Aren't those the 'feelings' being discussed here?
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It is specifically worried, anxious feelings.


Keeping this short:

- Cloud's 'undying feelings' for Aerith are the same 'feelings' Cloud and Tifa are said to have shared (Ultimania Omega, CC Ultimania, CC Complete Guide). If one pre-release mention of undying feelings = love, then in all fairness C/T have had several mentions of theirs.

- 'Etched in his mind' could also be translated as 'heart', because one of the meanings of 'mune' is one's heart or in your heart. But both this and the 'engraved in his heart' thing are simply idioms to mean to remember something. And not necessarily romantic, you can have someone's words or a scene engraved in your heart.

It just seems like how people use 'my place'; because it sounds nicer, even if it isn't right. Translating things literally doesn't mean you're going to get the right impression. Japanese 'one's heart breaks' doesn't have the English meaning of a love being unfulfilled/etc., it's used for when you've had some severe mental distress. The meaning of 'heart/kokoro' in Japanese can extend to 'mind' as well.

 

[Fighter]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

If Tifa is so pathetic then why does every clerii have such a hard on for Cloud? Out of the two of them Tifa has both the pants and the spine.

[quote author=Naoto Shirogane link=topic=53.msg4633#msg4633 date=1230609675]
I have a quick question. I'm not sure if this was touched on or not, but are there any quotes that could put to rest this demeaning of Tifa by C/A fans in the form of "She's an emotionally weak, clingy, and pessimistic woman", and if so, can I be pointed to where they are(hopefully in English)?

I never thought of Tifa as weak, emotionally or otherwise, and it annoys me to no end when C/A-ers compare this "weak" Tifa to the strong willed, ever-optimistic and mighty Aerith. Not that I don't know that Aerith puts on a bright face even when troubled, but y'know...the constant sycophantic worship can be a bit much.

If this was on a previous page in this thread, I apologize. I didn't want to read 43 pages.
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RF: http://www.ffrepublic.com/imageuploader/42-vhhwmkllho.jpg

Nomura: "Tifa is a strong woman. .... She's remarkably strong, not only emotionally but physically as well. ... etc."

"Tifa isn't really like how Cloud described. It's just further proof that he doesn't really know her".

Tifa's profile in the game manual says she's cheerful and optimistic. Looks like SE doesn't know their own character either.

 

[Cloti]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Hm, the two Mods that announced it was being closed down, were both Cleriths. Odd. If anyone should win the worst Mod of the year award, I'm polishing this nice big golden shiny one for a certain one of them. She's so unfair and biased. Not to mention, hypocritical. She's allowed to insult people and be sarcastic, but other people aren't? And then claims people who LTD have no life, but joins right in anyway? Whatever. I suppose she's only insulting herself.

agree Celes, I also found the bias on those mods, specially the one you mentioned.I remeber that she really mistreated Ryushikaze after one of his posts.
And then she complained about the bashing toward the Clerith..

and about Tifa... I think the Clerith see her as a threat so they have the need to make her a weak,horrible woman, a woman Cloud could never fall for because he has Aerith who is the epitomy of perfection...Clotis don't think like that about Aerith.. I love her, she is in fact one of my favorite characters.

 

[Madame Mayor]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

It's still a mystery why they even like FFVII at all. They get the characters completely wrong, even when SE has said it plain and simple...

I love Aerith as well and sometimes their crazy interpretations of who she is gets on my nerves.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Naoto Shirogane link=topic=53.msg4665#msg4665 date=1230620736]
I have a question about this statement. The last line is talking about Tifa being worried about Cloud in AC, right? Aren't those the 'feelings' being discussed here?[/quote]

Specifically, it's talking about Cloud's hesitation and recitence, such as the infamous have we lost to a memory line. Which I still agree with Sakurai about, Sephiroth is the memory. Hence the memory lines in their fight.


[quote author=spirit_chaser link=topic=53.msg4666#msg4666 date=1230621022]
I recall my time being a member of Cloti forum (which is currently closed, sadly) and I dont remember us making anti-Clerith threads or discussing Aerith as a 'tragic' character.[/quote]

I'd actually say she is a tragic character, but I mean in the sense of a tragedy, and I think Zack is there too. Sephy is the tragic hero after his fatal flaw of pride has completed his apotheosis from respectable hero to 'other'

[quote author=Cloti link=topic=53.msg4699#msg4699 date=1230650606]
agree Celes, I also found the bias on those mods, specially the one you mentioned.I remeber that she really mistreated Ryushikaze after one of his posts.[/quote]

She mistreats me after A LOT of my posts. She, in general, dislikes how I unashamedly correct people.

And then she complained about the bashing toward the Clerith..

And only once did she supply examples, most of which weren't relevant.

and about Tifa... I think the Clerith see her as a threat so they have the need to make her a weak,horrible woman, a woman Cloud could never fall for because he has Aerith who is the epitomy of perfection...Clotis don't think like that about Aerith.. I love her, she is in fact one of my favorite characters.

It also comes from the fact that their actual argument is incredibly weak. It's the reason they want to ignore Crisis Core as much as they can, and scrabble at the thinnest straws in AUs.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=Ryushikaze link=topic=53.msg4702#msg4702 date=1230653352]
[quote author=Naoto Shirogane link=topic=53.msg4665#msg4665 date=1230620736]
I have a question about this statement. The last line is talking about Tifa being worried about Cloud in AC, right? Aren't those the 'feelings' being discussed here?[/quote]

Specifically, it's talking about Cloud's hesitation and recitence, such as the infamous have we lost to a memory line. Which I still agree with Sakurai about, Sephiroth is the memory. Hence the memory lines in their fight.
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Isn't that about Tifa's feelings of hurt/etc. mentioned in the previous line?

I misread the question the first time.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=hitoshura link=topic=53.msg4704#msg4704 date=1230655223]
Isn't that about Tifa's feelings of hurt/etc. mentioned in the previous line?

I misread the question the first time.
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It is. It is how she feels about Cloud's general arsitude. Or at least that's how I took it. RF is supposed to be relevant to AC, so I work under the assumption that generally everything refers to someone or something in the move else stated otherwise.

 

[Celes Chere]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I remeber that she really mistreated Ryushikaze after one of his posts.
And then she complained about the bashing toward the Clerith..

Haha, I find her obvious hate for Ryu so amusing. Just because she's making herself look like a fool. How can you hate someone for knowing more than you do?
quote: "Stop acting live a know it all when it comes to FFVII, because simply, you're not."
Some of others posts may have come off as sarcastic, but at least they weren't downright bitchy.
She deleted my post where I quoted her on insulting him.
Why, that may have ruined her precious reputation! "This isn't ACF, we're not going to have dumb fights so get used to it."

a woman Cloud could never fall for because he has Aerith who is the epitomy of perfection...

I really love when they try and say Cloud doesn't care for Tifa at all. Even stretch to say that he hates her.

 

[Strangelove]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

But if she was hurt by Cloud's distancing himself, how could she have revealed those feelings to him? He wouldn't be around.

 

[Tir McDohl]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Didn't she try to communicate these feelings to him in CoT, and also that scene in AC where she's asking him to fight together, and not give in to memories?

 

[looneymoon]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Lol awwww poor Ryu for all that undeserved bitchiness XD
My post about Cid's package was deleted too

[quote author=Fighter link=topic=53.msg4696#msg4696 date=1230647951]
If Tifa is so pathetic then why does every clerii have such a hard on for Cloud? Out of the two of them Tifa has both the pants and the spine.
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Considering that I find few of them use Aeris as a means of self-insertion to the story, I really don't understand why they wouldn't self-insert through Tifa instead. She's obviously the one who has got him completely whipped. I guess in thier heart of hearts they think that Aeris is some sort of Mary-Sue, or something.

 

[Tir McDohl]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

I guess in thier heart of hearts they think that Aeris is some sort of Mary-Sue, or something.

You got that right. Did you know that Aerith can predict the precise moment when Cloud will doubt himself, like five years ahead of time, and then simply giggle, and "Problem solved!"

Omygod, Aerith is SUCH a goddess.


Hmm, apparently, Tifa didn't know the real Cloud until the Lifestream, so she obviously fell in love with his Zack persona. And Aerith, she knew the real Cloud even before she died.

Where do they get this stuff? My head hurts.

 

[null.]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=CelesChere link=topic=53.msg4664#msg4664 date=1230619713]
-They aren't really capable of human emotions and feelings anyway.
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??

Lol awwww poor Ryu for all that undeserved bitchiness XD

It's just pent up sexual attraction. Ryu turns Clerii on. I swear, I've seen it with my own eyes.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

UST, man, UST

 

[Isabella]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

Hmm, apparently, Tifa didn't know the real Cloud until the Lifestream, so she obviously fell in love with his Zack persona.

She said she wanted to keep an eye on him at the beginning because he was behaving oddly and she was concerned. How would she know his behavior was odd if she didn't know what was normal for him? Why, when he gave his "next to you, who wouldn't" line (very Zack-like, I might add), she was disturbed rather than amused because it was so un-Cloud-like?

I'm one of those crazies who takes "I didn't know you THAT well" to mean she did know him to some degree, or at least had observed him enough as children to get a feel for his character. I don't see her falling for his tough-guy persona, I see her concerned by it. She didn't suddenly fall in love with him on disc one; she'd been carrying a torch for years.

 

[Goodbye Charlie]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

[quote author=null link=topic=53.msg4793#msg4793 date=1230680824]
It's just pent up sexual attraction. Ryu turns Clerii on. I swear, I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Have you proof of that? Because honestly, I think I, Bender Goodbye Charlie, turn Ryu on. I've heard of this RyuxCleri shipping but it's not canon. Where's the proofz? I mean, Clerii are so not interested - you can tell. Do you see them touching each others hands? Giving long meaningful stares? No. And I'm willing to argue this point for an entire decade [/LTD]

 

[spirit_chaser]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

It's still a mystery why they even like FFVII at all. They get the characters completely wrong, even when SE has said it plain and simple...

I love Aerith as well and sometimes their crazy interpretations of who she is gets on my nerves.

Was wondering the same thing about Clerith for years now.
I thinks its because they`re so emotionally involved with the pairing they ship, that they ready to ignore the story and its creators, for the sake of their pairing being canon. I dont think you can call such people FFVII fans... Just my opinion.

She didn't suddenly fall in love with him on disc one; she'd been carrying a torch for years.

And we dont even have to prove that. Ultimania states it clearly.

 

[Tennyo]

Re: Love Triangle Discussion

So I'm having an interesting debate on another forum. Apparently anything outside of the story such as Ultimanias, guides, etc, are considered fanon, not canon. Even if the writer/author/creater themselves said it, it's still fanon because it wasn't fit into the story somehow.

So this means Dumbledore totally isn't gay...