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KissTheRain

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CxA Forums have been doing it for fucking ages, to the point where no-one is going to take anything that is said there seriously.
Possibly in parts, but not everyone does it there and the whole thing isn't about bashing. Their are many topics of just like CxA or other random topics, you can't judge the whole forums on some topics. :/

No offense, but the peace thing doesn't really work if you're lying.
Lying..no i'm not lying. Your Nero right? Well the leader of the anti-Cloti forums is my friend and you spied there right? Well in many posts I have said I like Cloti along with Clerith and I don't bash on Cloti as a whole just the parts I dislike. Even in one part I said what I didn't like about Clerith too. I have my likes and dislikes for both pairs. I'm not gonna go into detail about it unless it is really neccisary quite frankly. Think i'm a poser whatever, idk. Over the years i've switched from liking Cloti or Clerith more and so what if I like Clerith more no, I don't hate Cloti now or Tifa for that matter. At many times Tifa has been my favorite character. I love Tifa and I like Cloti and if you don't believe me, w/e then.

Haha, nope. Destiny Failed has even made fun of CxA for using the user title "ClAerith Nazi of Cloti Genocide". That club still exists, and it's still posted in and it's just saddening to see. And upsetting.
Hrm, well I didn't join that club and I wouldn't call myself a ClAerith Nazi. Idk, I dislike DF it just is a pointless bashing blog, imo.

According to the screencap on this post, the nazi thing existed even back in 2004!
Sorry, sorry idk. But i'm not way into detail on that club or DF for that matter.
 

annacamille

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@kisstherain

I just wanted to point out this:

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The post is dated 2004 which means that the nazi-clerith connection has been around for a while.

Actually... when did destinyfailed debut anyway?
 

KissTheRain

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The post is dated 2004 which means that the nazi-clerith connection has been around for a while.
I guess so, but hey it's just a joke right xD

Actually... when did destinyfailed debut anyway?
The first blog on it was dated back to FF_G's post in 2004, so I would say then, but idk.
 

Celes Chere

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Their are many topics of just like CxA or other random topics, you can't judge the whole forums on some topics. :/

While this is true, even those nice threads go off into bashing. Joined a long time ago before I had any drama there whatsoever. It was really uncomfortable.

Lying..no i'm not lying. Your Nero right? Well the leader of the anti-Cloti forums is my friend and you spied there right? Well in many posts I have said I like Cloti along with Clerith and I don't bash on Cloti as a whole just the parts I dislike. Even in one part I said what I didn't like about Clerith too. I have my likes and dislikes for both pairs. I'm not gonna go into detail about it unless it is really neccisary quite frankly. Think i'm a poser whatever, idk. Over the years i've switched from liking Cloti or Clerith more and so what if I like Clerith more no, I don't hate Cloti now or Tifa for that matter. At many times Tifa has been my favorite character. I love Tifa and I like Cloti and if you don't believe me, w/e then.

Jaja, I am Nero. I did look in there when it was first made, but that's pretty much it. No, I did not continue to 'spy' there, even after being accused of doing so countless times. No offense again, but I really do have much better things to do with my time then get huffy over how angry rabid fans are that Clotis are mean, and that Tifa is just a bad character. Look, I'm not going to drag something stupid up by saying what I saw you say there or anything. But thanks- I don't believe you.
Sorry.

DF it just is a pointless bashing blog, imo.

Don't you find that statement a bit hypocritical?

but hey it's just a joke right xD

So... you're saying joking about genocide is funny?
 

Ryushikaze

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Sorry, i'm messing up what you mean but isn't it worse to bash someone for liking something then bashing something you don't like.

No. It's less bad to bash people for purely asinine logic, underhanded tactics, etc.

I mean you can't blame people for liking things right? That's why I don't understand why Cleriths or Clotis hate the opposing side just for not agreeing, wtf is that. I'm a neutral I don't care what you guys say I am just to clear things up, for any of you doubters.

It's not for 'liking Clerith' that any jabs get thrown. It's for the asinine claims and double standard that jabs get tossed here.

Yes, they took that on, but I believe the idea was started in at Destiny Failed I could be wrong though. -_-

Quite wrong. Destiny Failed has never called them Pink Nazis, except in stating that they call themselves that.

@KissTheRain
Reading through the thread, the people here make fun of the lies and unfounded things that the majority of people calling themselves Cleriths claim are true.

^ This.

It isn't because they think Cloud and Aerith make a nice couple that they get made fun of. It's the way they try to make their wishes a part of VII canon, and especially the lengths they go to.

Like Koi------bito being two words and meaning sweet person until two months ago, when it suddenly became one word and couldn't be used unless it was a absolutely indicative of a mutual romantic relationship. Except when it gets used for Tifa.
And there's no such thing as 3rd person limited when it comes to Aerith.
And it's jumping to conclusions to assume Cloud is the one Tifa is a koibito to, but not to assume 'the woman' is Aerith.


Possibly in parts, but not everyone does it there and the whole thing isn't about bashing. Their are many topics of just like CxA or other random topics, you can't judge the whole forums on some topics. :/

We don't, but there is the inner circle, which is are the key offenders.

Lying..no i'm not lying. Your Nero right? Well the leader of the anti-Cloti forums is my friend and you spied there right?

It's a FORUM. How is looking on a public forum SPYING? LURKING, maybe, but spying?

I have my likes and dislikes for both pairs. I'm not gonna go into detail about it unless it is really neccisary quite frankly.

necessary.

Think i'm a poser whatever, idk. Over the years i've switched from liking Cloti or Clerith more and so what if I like Clerith more no, I don't hate Cloti now or Tifa for that matter. At many times Tifa has been my favorite character. I love Tifa and I like Cloti and if you don't believe me, w/e then.

Yes, so what if you like Clerith more. Liking something more shouldn't change what's canon.

Hrm, well I didn't join that club and I wouldn't call myself a ClAerith Nazi. Idk, I dislike DF it just is a pointless bashing blog, imo.

Have you actually read the content there? Most of what it does is report the nonsense coming from various hardliner C/A advocates.

Sorry, sorry idk. But i'm not way into detail on that club or DF for that matter.

You should get into detail, first hand, before passing judgement.
 

KissTheRain

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While this is true, even those nice threads go off into bashing. Joined a long time ago before I had any drama there whatsoever. It was really uncomfortable.
You've always been Cloti right? Then why did you join? You begrade me for saying I join an anti-Cloti forum and that I lie, but then you say you are Cloti and join a Clerith forum, so aren't you a bit hyprocryptical on this on?

Don't believe me that's fine, but I don't need your approvel for what pairing I like. I mean I could go to So Cold and get the quotes, but sorry I don't think that would even change your mind but no offense anyone that spies is just a bit low. Maybe you didn't do it long, but you did right..why?

So... you're saying joking about genocide is funny?
No offense, but how can you get all preachy about this? It's the 21st century, people joke about different races, gays, everything so this just fits in to the stereotyped world quite frankly. And the thing is they weren't actually going to murder the Cloti's and I hope you know that...unless someone did which is pretty fucked up over a LT. But then again people do treat this like religion so I wouldn't be too suprised.

Don't you find that statement a bit hypocritical?
The different between So Cold and DF, is So Cold is saying why people don't like fictional pairings, people who don't and never will exist and never who's feelings can't be hurt, when DF picks out little mistakes people have made and does not make fun of Clerith, but the real people that do. I think that is mean. Unless someone insulting Cloti hurts you then, i'm sorry.
 

annacamille

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I guess so, but hey it's just a joke right xD
To be fair to the Cleris, the term *grammar nazi* also exists, but not many people are offended by it.

Then again, *grammar nazis* don't joke about annihilating people for their beliefs...

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But the characteristics of the debaters have little to do with the actual debate so I'll just stop posting and go back to lurking now.
 

Ravynne Nevyrmore

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KissTheRain said:
The different between So Cold and DF, is So Cold is saying why people don't like fictional pairings, people who don't and never will exist and never who's feelings can't be hurt, when DF picks out little mistakes people have made and does not make fun of Clerith, but the real people that do. I think that is mean. Unless someone insulting Cloti hurts you then, i'm sorry.
Well the difference there is that fictional characters really didn't do anything wrong, while real people can and will be dumbasses.
 

Ryushikaze

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Actually... when did destinyfailed debut anyway?

Mid 2k7.

I guess so, but hey it's just a joke right xD

If it's okay for them to call themselves nazis, how is it worse for someone else to make fun of them for that?

The first blog on it was dated back to FF_G's post in 2004, so I would say then, but idk.

Blogger wasn't around in 2k4.
 

Alessa Gillespie

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You've always been Cloti right? Then why did you join? You begrade me for saying I join an anti-Cloti forum and that I lie, but then you say you are Cloti and join a Clerith forum, so aren't you a bit hyprocryptical on this on?
And this sort of goes back to what I was saying about "If you don't love Clerith as the end-all-be-all of pairings, you don't REALLY love it!" earlier with myself and my friends. One sort of likes Cloti, another doesn't care but both prefer Clerith. I also think Clerith is cute, which is why I tried joining one Clerith forum, but when they banned the mod I was closest to for asinine reasons, I left. Good fun, the ship wars. :awesome:
 

KissTheRain

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Then again, *grammar nazis* don't joke about annihilating people for their beliefs...
I love grammer, and call me evil then because people who do not punctuate annoy me very much. T_T

Nazi is now just a term it seems to say you strongly dislike something, and I guess the Clerith Nazi's either hate Cloti or the Cloti fans.

Well the difference there is that fictional characters really didn't do anything wrong, while real people can and will be dumbasses.
True enough, true enough but all fictional charcters have their flaws unless they are Mary Sue's, but is there a point to stand up for them, for the sake of their feelings? People usually stand up for things because it is their opinion and they want to avoid offense against them. I could say I dislike Twilight and Bella even though they did nothing wrong, but does that make me mean? DF, directs it to actual people and that's rather mean imo. But what can I say everyone is a bitch on the internet, because we can be. But I still believe there is a difference between not liking something and making fun of someone.

I tried joining one Clerith forum, but when they banned the mod I was closest to for asinine reasons, I left. Good fun, the ship wars.
Actually I think they might let her back in. Sylvia (the admin) is my friend and Dante and her made up I believe because I was rping with both of them so I assumined they were friends again. It was over some pity shipping stuff maybe, but what I heard was that Dante was sticking up for Cloti fans that made fun of Clerith fans their or something. It's a little fuzzy. >.<
 
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Celes Chere

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You've always been Cloti right? Then why did you join? You begrade me for saying I join an anti-Cloti forum and that I lie, but then you say you are Cloti and join a Clerith forum, so aren't you a bit hyprocryptical on this on?

Nope, I was Clerith when I first played the game, but that soon changed. I also used to hate Aerith and Clerith, which also changed a long time ago. The reason I joined, is because I do like Clerith fanon. I think they make a cute pairing, and I love the fanart/videos of them. I adore Aerith, and Cloud's alright too. And, there are actually a lot of 'Clerithy' scenes that I like. Hand reach scene in AC/ACC, Cloud's dream... etc. Just because I'm a Cloti, doesn't mean that I hate Clerith fans, or that I hate the Clerith pairing. Now that's just being plain judgmental on your part. So no, not one bit hypocritical, unless there is something else I said that you would like to point out? I really joined because I genuinely wanted to make Clerith friends, and show that two fandoms don't have to fight. I ended up finding out what CxA Forums and the other Clerith Forum were about, however. Nothing but bashing, and it's getting quite old for me. I've plenty of Clerith pals, but these crazy Forums I tend not to trust.

Don't believe me that's fine, but I don't need your approvel for what pairing I like. I mean I could go to So Cold and get the quotes, but sorry I don't think that would even change your mind but no offense anyone that spies is just a bit low. Maybe you didn't do it long, but you did right..why?

I never suggested that you needed my approval. And I never once suggested that you needed to prove anything to me. You like Clerith, big deal. The point is I don't like bashing, especially towards people who I know are innocent. Towards people I care about- that really gets on my last nerve, kay? Read what Ryu said- I really only lurked there for a short amount of time. And why?

To laugh! To laugh at the foolishness of it it all. That some fans would go that low, just to rag on people who think differently then they do.
Well, congratulations, point proven.

No offense, but how can you get all preachy about this? It's the 21st century, people joke about different races, gays, everything so this just fits in to the stereotyped world quite frankly. And the thing is they weren't actually going to murder the Cloti's and I hope you know that...unless someone did which is pretty fucked up over a LT. But then again people do treat this like religion so I wouldn't be too suprised.

How can I get preachy? Because it's just plain wrong! Do you have any emotions (no offense) locked away in your heart (if you have one)? Do you care about other people like, at all? That is just something you do not make fun of. That's just plain immature. And I'm not just talking about Cleriths here, I'm talking about anyone who would stoop so low as to make fun of a topic so touchy. How can you not see how it's wrong? I can't understand that ever.

The different between So Cold and DF, is So Cold is saying why people don't like fictional pairings, people who don't and never will exist and never who's feelings can't be hurt, when DF picks out little mistakes people have made and does not make fun of Clerith, but the real people that do. I think that is mean. Unless someone insulting Cloti hurts you then, i'm sorry.

The only difference between Sky's rabid parade and DF, is that DF is right and So Cold is wrong. So Cold did hurt feelings though. It made fun of Clotis and their ideals, and members from it also went out harassing people. DF doesn't internet stalk at least, for Christs sake.
 

Hinata Hyuga

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The different between So Cold and DF, is So Cold is saying why people don't like fictional pairings, people who don't and never will exist and never who's feelings can't be hurt, when DF picks out little mistakes people have made and does not make fun of Clerith, but the real people that do. I think that is mean. Unless someone insulting Cloti hurts you then, i'm sorry.

That's not even true. At So Cold(omg, I had a look there so I'm a spy!!) people did just as much bad-mouthing of Cloti fans as they did say what they disliked about Cloti.

And big surprise, there was a lot of Tifa-bashing.
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
I love grammer,

Grammar, perhaps, but spelling not so much.

Nazi is now just a term it seems to say you strongly dislike something, and I guess the Clerith Nazi's either hate Cloti or the Cloti fans.

Except they made genocide jokes as well.
No 'grammar nazi' I've ever met has suggested killing the folks who don't use proper grammar.

True enough, true enough but all fictional charcters have their flaws unless they are Mary Sue's, but is there a point to stand up for them, for the sake of their feelings? People usually stand up for things because it is their opinion and they want to avoid offense against them. I could say I dislike Twilight and Bella even though they did nothing wrong,

That's a lie. There's nothing RIGHT about Twilight.

DF, directs it to actual people and that's rather mean imo.

It directs things at people WHO HAVE DONE OR SAID ABSURD THINGS. It's no more mean than Pharyngula reporting on Ken Ham, Kirk Cameron, or Kent Hovind's latest stupidity.

But what can I say everyone is a bitch on the internet, because we can be. But I still believe there is a difference between not liking something and making fun of someone.

If 'not liking' was all the hatelisting was doing, or 'making fun of' what DesFail was doing, that would be a valid point. But neither is the case.

but what I heard was that Dante was sticking up for Cloti fans that made fun of Clerith fans their or something. It's a little fuzzy. >.<

That's not the way I heard that story.
 

Ⓐaron

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Grammar, perhaps, but spelling not so much.
Grammar not so much either, given the misplaced apostrophe in
Clerith Nazi's
I'm sorry, since I never lurked at So Cold, I don't really have anything constructive to add to this exchange that hasn't already been said. Though I'm kind of curious, have I been mentioned by name at any of those sites yet? If so I want to see the lulz :monster:
 

KissTheRain

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I'm gonna get some sleep and then i'll come back tommorrow and talk about this, k?

And Nero, btw in the first posts we talked (yes we have) I actually assumined you were a sweetheart, because you seemed nice there, but is it true you insulted Sky via pm? I should get the story from both sides I guess, because atm what i've heard isn't so pretty on your part...
 

Alessa Gillespie

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It was over some pity shipping stuff maybe, but what I heard was that Dante was sticking up for Cloti fans that made fun of Clerith fans their or something. It's a little fuzzy. >.<
...not really. Some Clerith fan trolled the forum, there was a good deal of evidence that pointed to who it was, and I guess it made said troll say it wasn't them. Though I really don't like talking about it, since said troll was a complete bitch. :awesome:
 

Celes Chere

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Noctis
And Nero, btw in the first posts we talked (yes we have) I actually assumined you were a sweetheart, because you seemed nice there, but is it true you insulted Sky via pm? I should get the story from both sides I guess, because atm what i've heard isn't so pretty on your part...

Yes, I know we have and I recall thinking you were a very nice person yourself. You see, I'm not mean to someone when they haven't provoked me. I don't know why you don't understand that. If someone says something bad about me, they're just not going to sit well with me. That goes for someone that I like, too. It's when insults are thrown at friends most of all, that I get real touchy. Otherwise, sweet as can be. There's no reason for me to start causing hate wars. Why would I ever want something like that?

Yes, it is true. I insulted her via PM. And do you want to know why? Because she finally pushed my very last button. All of the things she kept saying, all of the flaming, the trolling, the 'omg look at me the poor victim of those mean Clotis' bullshit, finally got on my last nerve. I'm sorry that she's your friend, but I honest to God, don't care. Because I hate her.

I hate her. And I've never hated anyone in my entire life, besides her.

Yeah, well. What do you want me to do about it? Lol. I dared to LTD. And so, I dared to be hated.
 
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Isabella

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God this is all so childish.

The debate is over narrative consistency and the proper way to analyze fiction. When did it become West Side Story?
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
When the embroidered Jackets arrived, Bella.

Can't you hear the catchy musical numbers?
 
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