The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Goodbye Charlie]

Let's not be scaring people away now. We should wait for her to reply to the others instead of flooding her. M'kay?

Yes, because I'm going to set my watch and wait for her to pop back before making a reply. I'm not sure whether that would make me diligent, or a stalker. Or of course, a diligent stalker.

Bottomline it was a comment which for me was way out of line and needed highlighting. I would hope anyone who prefers the weird, irrational and inconsistent world of fairy tale Cleris would be mature and sensible enough to distance themselves from any such insulting comparisons remarks and righteous behaviour than justify it.

I think that's a point that quite happily jumps any such etiquette queue.

 

[Super Mario]

So basically, you don't like Cloti? But like Clerith? That doesn't make sense. We all know Cloud's in it for Tifa and Aerith's left overs

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

The only reason people cream themselves over SE's products is to make up for their horrific treatment of Japanese immigrants during WW2.

Because the Japanese themselves did mostly nothing wrong in WWII. Except the rape of Nanking, the comfort women, the destroying of thousands of Korean and Chinese lives... olo this stuff would be more hilarious if I was telling it to a weeaboo "JAPAN'S FUCKING WONDERFUL" fgt.

ORITE, cause trying to start a discussion about someone destined to be crippled for the rest of their lives or bringing up the condition of someone's health is totally fucking okay.

I didn't want to bring that shit up, but if you insist... yeah, it's not lulzy, it's just stupid. But if you want to defend that, KTR, be my guest.
:drama:

 

[A]

You get used to it.


Also, KTR?


:drama:

 

[paoo]

.....Call yourself a "Pink-Nazi" is horrible.
Sure, I'm gonna be honest. I love debating, and I love FF7, I love the pairings, even if it's not for real. I'm a nerd 8DDD
But at least I'm not trolling, making Anti-couple-forums/clubs, trying to prove something that is TTLY pointless because you're twisting it around, or is calling myself a nazi. It's sick.

And who the hell cares if you talk shit about the Clotis/Cleriths now after years?
The LT debate will still be eternal, and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

[Shadowfox]

HEAL THE WORLD, MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE
FOR YOU AND FOR ME AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE

The first time I heard that song, I thought he said "anti-human race".

True story.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

Nazi is now just a term it seems to say you strongly dislike something, and I guess the Clerith Nazi's either hate Cloti or the Cloti fans.

Splitting hairs here but that's a bit broad. It connotes a militant approach to effecting one's views upon the world, not mere hatred. (Not to be confused with affecting one's views, by the way, so if you don't know the difference, please look it up.)

And for the record I think the rest of you who are getting bent out of shape over the use of the word in a tongue-in-cheek manner are going a bit overboard. It's not like we're talking about the KKK and "neo-nazis," who are totally and disgustingly serious about it. I myself had "resident VinLu nazi" as my user comment (before I decided that "flunky" was far more epic), not because I have a serious desire to commit genocide against all who oppose VinLu, but because I was poking fun at my own tendencies to get belligerent over it.

True enough, true enough but all fictional charcters have their flaws unless they are Mary Sue's, but is there a point to stand up for them, for the sake of their feelings?

Not for the sake of their "feelings." They don't have feelings. But in order to defend a point, sure, I don't see why not. Isn't that a debate?

People usually stand up for things because it is their opinion and they want to avoid offense against them.

Not necessarily for something so petty as to avoid offense against themselves. Sharing one's opinion (or any opinion/stance) and supporting it with reasons why one should hold the same opinion, then defending said opinion against the opposing opinion, is pretty much the definition of a debate.

I could say I dislike Twilight and Bella even though they did nothing wrong, but does that make me mean?

"Mean" wouldn't be my word of choice. But depending on how retarded you get with stating that opinion, where you do it, and to whom— these factors might make me choose a different word to describe your actions.

Example 1:
KissTheRain's Personal Journal
So I saw/read Twilight and I really dislike it. I didn't like Bella either.

Example 2:
Twilight Fan Forums - The Bella Fan Club <3<3<3
Twilight sucks and Bella's a cunt, kthx.

Example 3:
Daylight - The Anti-Twilight, Anti-Bella, We Hate Everything Associated With Stephanie Meyer Official HateSite
ZOMG WTF TWILIGHT IS THE WORST FUCKING SHIT IN THE WORLD AND I HATE BELLA SO MUCH I WANT TO STAB HER IN THE EYE WITH A PENCIL UNTIL SHE DIES I CAN'T SLEEP AT NIGHT BECAUSE I HATE BELLA SO MUCH WTFFFF.

You can see how the three examples might warrant differing levels of approval or disapproval.

In Example 3 in particular, while the poster seems to be in an appropriate place to express her dislike of Twilight, actually investing the energy to hate something fictional with such a passion and to locate a "hatesite" on which to spaz makes her a douche.

Please replace the appropriate words with "Clerith," "Cloti," "Tifa," "Aeris," etc.

DF, directs it to actual people and that's rather mean imo.

Yes but actual people do actual retarded things. ;D And I'd rather see someone ragged on for something they did than for something they feel, especially if what they did is filled with utter stupidity.


tl;dr - It's far more assinine to emotionally invest in hating a fictional character, pairing, etc. than it is to call someone out on douchery.

 

[Strangelove]

I grow weary of this topic and demand that it change.

To Kenshiro/Shin.

Spoiler

There's some good back-to-back action an--- ohwait, I forgot that isn't romantic anymore.

He's not say for whose love

Also, Shin lives inside Ken. Ken says so himself. That's all you need.

Deny it all you want, you just make yourselves look silly.

Didn't anyone say that 'dimly' wasn't the right word to put in there? Shouldn't be "secretly" or something?
Anyway.. of course some people try to convince others that Cloud's love for Tifa is weak.
Discuss, people.

(That's me btw)

I talked to someone (they couldn't have been Japanese, because there's no way I might know anyone like that ) about that, and they said it most mean a faint kind of love. Like one that isn't quite love ('koi' or 'ai') yet, where you're feeling something for the person but it's still a bit vague.

 

[Ryushikaze]

In other words, Hitobito, it would be classified as a 'budding' love?

BTW, I was replaying Dirge of Cerberus recently, and I noticed that 'beloved' got tossed about quite a lot, including Hojo referring to Lucrecia as Vinnie's beloved. If'n you recall, and since there were some lulz on this issue, was the word used in those cases in the JP version koibito?

Oh, and Ken/Shin's not even worth proofz at this point.

I demand we discuss the forbidden love of Godhand Gene and Devilhand Azel!

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

Haha, I did consider that after witnessing the tizzy that the Cleriths and Clotis are in over the word koibito, and of course I know that line from DoC. But I don't know what the words were in Japanese, but Souya's translation of the Japanese says this:

Hojo: So you took the body of this man to complete your own theory, is that so?
Lucrecia: N, NO!
Hojo: What do you mean, "No"? After all, you are a scientist from the bottom of your heart. Well well, to be able to become something useful for the woman he loved after death, that man is indeed lucky. Ku, kakakakakakakaa!

So I kinda got the impression that koibito wasn't the word used. And anyway, even if he said koibito, I think we know what he meant. Unless he was accusing Lucrecia of having an affair with Vincent behind his back, lolscandal.

 

[Vendel]

In other words, Hitobito, it would be classified as a 'budding' love?

So let me get this straight.

When he made the promise at 14 he was beginning to fall in love with Tifa? And by the time he came back at 16 he was in face molest mode? And by the time of the Highwind he was in full body molest mode?

Makes sense to me.

 

[Isabella]

"Faint" or "budding" love seems an interesting way to word it to me. Hito, is that the typical way to indicate a crush, or is there a more common word or phrase to indicate such?

 

[Strangelove]

I think it's relatively common (I don't know if it's be something said colloquially), I can think of seeing it a number of times (some of which were brought up here before). Maybe it doesn't exactly correspond to 'crush' in English.

BTW, I was replaying Dirge of Cerberus recently, and I noticed that 'beloved' got tossed about quite a lot, including Hojo referring to Lucrecia as Vinnie's beloved. If'n you recall, and since there were some lulz on this issue, was the word used in those cases in the JP version koibito?

Was this the scene Ravynne mentioned?

Because that was a complete different word for 'koibito' or 'saiai' that got waved around on the front page (&#24794;&#12428;&#12427. The script I have has no mention of 'koibito' or 'saiai'.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Well, that's my curiosity temporarily sated.

Not to pique it again. Script?

As for the honoka omoi etc, IIRC, it's a bit stronger than crush as I recall, but I forget where along the romantic line graph it exactly falls.

 

[Vendel]

Going back over this whole 'dimly' thing on a different forum it's rather funny. (screencaps can be provided upon request)

"Oh I guess Cloud did have a crush on Tifa as a kid. But it doesn't matter".

Seriously? They couldn't even admit before this that Cloud liked Tifa when he made the promise? Ugh..

As normal context is key. When the promise was made they were 13 and 14 respectively. Of course it's going to be a 'dim' love. They really are not mature enough to completely understand such things I would think.

But as was shown IN THE GAME. Over the next two years both of them take it to heart. And those feeling grow as they do.

Sure maybe those feelings don't manifest in the healthiest of ways. Cloud becomes deeply ashamed he can't live up to his promise of becoming SOLDIER. And Tifa constructs a bit of a fantasy version of Cloud in her head (which will be a problem years later thanks to Jenova). But they are there.

Also as shown in game these feelings do not leave Tifa. She cares deeply for Cloud throughout the game. And as soon as Cloud regains himself those feelings are back and stronger than ever. So seven years after a promise made under the stars these two lovebirds finally put those feeling out there for the other to know (with words and...other things).

There you have it. The epic (and at times tragic) love story of FF7.

 

[KissTheRain]

Yes, I know we have and I recall thinking you were a very nice person yourself. You see, I'm not mean to someone when they haven't provoked me.

Ok, well that's good to know. I don't mean to, and hope I didn't provoke you, so let's try to get on a good even solid grounds okay? I don't like fighting in real life, internet, phone etc. I wanted to get the real story from you, to just get a clear view of all the stuff that has happened in all these forums. I wasn't in the center I know but this fighting bs, just pisses me off. Like I said Sky is my friend, and yes she had some "fierce" years of debating, but she is cooled down from what i've seen, but I guess I don't stalk her so I woudn't know what it is like from your pov. She usually is a sweetheart to me, so idk any different really. U_U

I hate her. And I've never hated anyone in my entire life, besides her.

Her, or her opinions? Or both..:o Hate is a strong word, for someone but do what you like i'm not stopping her. But i've heard that people insult her at the Cloti forums, which is rather mean if she is leaving you alone..she is right? Idk...so lets quite with any drama here and just have friendly talk of Cloti or Clerith or whatever, okies? ^^

Some Clerith fan trolled the forum, there was a good deal of evidence that pointed to who it was, and I guess it made said troll say it wasn't them.

Oh really? Trolls are everywhere, from every fanbase I do know i'm sorry that happened. Did you figure out who it was? I guess you shouldn't tell me wide out like this just pm me if you know, unless you don't wanna tell me which is fine.

 

[Strangelove]

Not to pique it again. Script?

Script:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/sgtz09

 

[Isabella]

I don't stalk her so I woudn't know what it is like from your pov.

None of my business (which is why I'm puzzled it's not being handled over PM), but this just struck me as a hilarious way to make nice.

 

[A]

To my limited knowledge, if there's discussion about a certain person being bashed in any sort of way at that Cloti forum, you're free to put in a request for the bashing to stop or be deleted - andit is to my limited knowledge that there is no known discussion going on with Sky, as it is not allowed in said Cloti forum anyways.I don't know where you got that from - mind you, if that forum gets trolls obviously it would have to partake in a discussion concerning specific members, as all forums do the same. AND it is to my knowledge that if the trolling goes too far, no sympathy would be required for a troll starting shit.

Which comes to my question - what gives you the assertion that they talk about Sky anyways? Either that person is 'stalking' and 'spying' the forum, but seeing as there's nothing valuable there we'll just call it as hypocrisy.











But I dunno, you'd have to ask a staff member of that forum and all for a clearer answer,

 

[Celes Chere]

but I guess I don't stalk her

I don't stalk her either. She seems to think I'm always talking about her, or trying to find her online just to get into some huge argument with her. Well, it's not true. I avoid her if anything, so I don't understand where this whole stalking thing is coming from. She found me on Deviantart recently, and I told her to take care of herself. =/ If anything, I am pushing her away from me because I do not want to deal with her anymore. I don't like fighting either, so I'm going to tell you here and now that I don't want to get into anything with you. You have your friends, I have mine, so let's not talk about the past especially in a Forum that has a rule that says "What happens at X stays at X".

Her, or her opinions? Or both..:o Hate is a strong word, for someone but do what you like i'm not stopping her. But i've heard that people insult her at the Cloti forums, which is rather mean if she is leaving you alone..she is right? Idk...so lets quite with any drama here and just have friendly talk of Cloti or Clerith or whatever, okies? ^^

I couldn't give five football fields worth a fuck what her opinions are. And I mean that in a nice way. If she's a Clerith, big deal! That's not what bothers me. I know hate is a very strong word, but I'm being sincere. I'm not going to drag anymore stuff up though, because of what I just said in the above para. We just don't get along for various reasons. Let's leave it at that.

 

[Vendel]

So uh...Monkeyshines?


Don't ignore me.


I HATE YOU!

 

[KissTheRain]

You have your friends, I have mine, so let's not talk about the past especially in a Forum that has a rule that says "What happens at X stays at X".

Yeah, i'm not into pinning on the past much either, things change, people change and life moves on. I don't and never did want drama with you so i'm glad everything is nice and settled. *deep breath* Well now let's just happily post on then, k?

We just don't get along for various reasons. Let's leave it at that.

Yup, you can think whatever in the universe you like and everything is cool. Unless you don't think Clack isn't canon, then we will have issues. True canon, for realzzz..

 

[Celes Chere]

Unless you don't think Clack isn't canon

Don't worry, I am a loyal knight of the Blue-Side. Where Meibito reigns as Queen.

Don't ignore me.

Hm? Who are you?

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

Well, that's my curiosity temporarily sated.

Not mine. What IS the word used by Hojo there? I know it's not the LT in question, haha, so you can PM me about it if you want, cause I'd love to know.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Oh really? Trolls are everywhere, from every fanbase I do know i'm sorry that happened. Did you figure out who it was? I guess you shouldn't tell me wide out like this just pm me if you know, unless you don't wanna tell me which is fine.

The forum was able to, and we did ban them and tell Anastar the IP address so she could properly warn/ban them. So I'm satisfied.

Yup, you can think whatever in the universe you like and everything is cool. Unless you don't think Clack isn't canon, then we will have issues. True canon, for realzzz..

You're forgetting the other true canon...Aerith and Tifa.