The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Channy]

Well, is loli 16 and under?

Alright you just barely passed the mark, but you're treading on pedophile ground here my friend.

STAY AWAY FROM THE WHITE VANS ON THE STREET

 

[Makoeyes987]

LOL WHUT?

Loli is 12 and under. Or broadly any girl that looks like a prepubescent.

Get your paraphilias straight. I like women that look like they're women not girls.

 

[Tennyo]

STAY AWAY FROM THE WHITE VANS ON THE STREET

Because Mako will be driving.

Anyway you did ask for it Channy. XD

 

[Channy]

LOL WHUT?

Loli is 12 and under. Or broadly any girl that looks like a prepubescent.

Get your paraphilias straight. I like women that look like they're women not girls.

I'M SORRY, I DON'T STUDY PEDOPHILIA.

 

[Makoeyes987]

 

[Channy]

Awesome has a new face?

 

[Makoeyes987]

That's the "I see whut u did thar" face

 

[Channy]

How long have I been out of the loop for? Are there others?!

 

[Max Payne]

Awesome has a new face?

new? bwahhahaa

 

[paoo]

:drama:

Woah, I really did miss alot here.

 

[lisette]

I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but it's an issue I find personally important, so...please bear with me...

Well I'm sure if Tifa cared about Cloud as much as everyone insinuates, she would have pulled Aerith off to the side and asked her to step off.

That sounds more like something Aerith would do. Aerith's the straightforward one; Tifa's more hesitant: they have fundamental differences in personality. It doesn't mean either one of them loves Cloud less. In fact, Tifa not pulling Aerith aside may be her way of showing her care - if she thought Cloud could be happy with Aerith, she may have thought it better to take herself out of the picture than interfere with that happiness. Just speculation, of course.

I know, I'm just saying that if she was really bothered by Aerith, she would have done something about it. So either she wasn't bothered, or she's a doormat.

There's your answer - she's a doormat! Doesn't mean she loves Cloud any less though.

Not on Jerry, but if you walk down the street like that you'll have whispers and pointed fingers at you.

Maybe 20 years ago, or in an aggressively Muslim country or something.

Really, I don't understand this emphasis on clothing. Yes, some women who wear revealing clothing are sluts. But there are also women who wear perfectly respectable clothing that are sluts as well. So how can you tell which woman is what based on her clothing alone? Shouldn't someone's behaviour, rather than their attire, be the indicator in these cases?

Going seven whole years without sex? No, that sort of thing only applies to Aaron, not fictional characters.

Again, it's a question of difference in personality. Maybe you or I wouldn't be able to stand 7 years without sex , but we can't assume that Tifa would be similarly affected. It's possible, true - anything's possible - but her characterization thus far makes it seem unlikely. Besides, I know a lot of people who were virgins til they were in their 20s (which, incidentally, is Tifa's age range) - no matter how much you believe your views are the norm, the reality does not reflect that.

Yes, but when you say "sleeveless top" that means something else in and of itself. So while it is a top without sleeves, it's misleading to call it a sleeveless top when discussing how conservative/provocative it is because that phrase refers to something entirely different and far more conservative.

Really? I used to work in clothing retail and all the employees, boss included, would call any top without sleeves a sleeveless top...this is weird.

Anyway, would you call the official render a sleeveless top or no? At any rate, it doesn't look like a sports bra anymore.

Because people keep replying. Honestly I'm tired of reiterating again so I just want this to be my last tl;dr about all this.

Sorry...this is the last response you'll hear from me on the issue, I swear!

 

[Raquelborn]

Tifa's top is belly-button top, surely. It also carries on for a good 2-3 inches after her breasts. (I have her FFVII CGI render in full size up on my wall so I've been comparing.)

As for her working in a bar, I'm a wallflower, I'm not a people person and I can be really shy yet I've managed to work in two bars/restaurants getting plenty of tips, connecting with customers and making my managers very happy. It gets easy to say the same things and put on a socialable facade when you're working in places like that. Tifa was practically forced to set up the bar because otherwise she wouldn't of had any source of income upon which to support herself, she was basically abandoned in Midgar all alone when she was 15/16 don't forget.

Anyway this topic has riled way off course. Let's get back to the LTD rather than who's the biggest slut debate:

In Kingdom Hearts it's pretty hard to deny Aerith could easily be seen as Cloud's light and thus love interest by any random player of the game. On top of that it doesn't help that Tifa isn't even present. Nomura said he wanted to give fans a better insight into their relationship, what was he trying to tell us exactly? It sounds pretty Clerith to me.

Ps. I know this has come up before (ages ago) but I believe the Clerith who brought it up scampered and the debate died before it had a chance to go anywhere. It's probably the strongest non speculative support for Clerith so I'd like to bring it up again.

 

[paoo]

Anyway this topic has riled way off course. Let's get back to the LTD rather than who's the biggest slut debate

Yes, please.

In Kingdom Hearts it's pretty hard to deny Aerith could easily be seen as Cloud's light and thus love interest by any random player of the game. On top of that it doesn't help that Tifa isn't even present. Nomura said he wanted to give fans a better insight into their relationship, what was he trying to tell us exactly? It sounds pretty Clerith to me.

Ps. I know this has come up before (ages ago) but I believe the Clerith who brought it up scampered and the debate died before it had a chance to go anywhere. It's probably the strongest non speculative support for Clerith so I'd like to bring it up again.

How could Aerith possibly be Cloud's light if he still is looking for it in KH2?
In the credits of KH it's a "Reuinion" going on. Cloud is back with his friends, Aerith, Cid, Yuffie and Leon. I know Nomura mentioned that in a interview

Anyway.. In KH2 Cloud is trying to defeat the darkness inside him, and by that he needs someone to "surround him with light".
Obviously, Aerith isn't his light. Because she clearly says this: "Once you find your light, I'm sure it will lead you back here again."
Aerith will wait for him, by the time she will support him. Then we have seen Tifa trying to get to Cloud, but he doesn't notice her. But when she is very close, Cloud get those 'flashes'. "The present of the past is too much". And well, the past is.. Tifa and Sephiroth. They are something more than just humans.

Tifa = Cloud's light
Sephiroth = Cloud's darkness

And who offers her light to Cloud? That's right, Tifa.
But I have a question: Why did they put Aerith in KH1 and not Tifa? I know they wanted both Sephiroth and Tifa in the game, but they took Sephiroth. Probably because he is a important connection to Cloud, but why Aerith and not Tifa then?

 

[Raquelborn]

How could Aerith possibly be Cloud's light if he still is looking for it in KH2?

KH was all about finding your light in the sense of your romantic interest, for example Belle and the Beast. Sora found Kairi but continued to look for his light in KH2 right? KH2 on the other hand is all about finding your inner light, not a certain someone.

In the credits of KH it's a "Reuinion" going on. Cloud is back with his friends, Aerith, Cid, Yuffie and Leon. I know Nomura mentioned that in a interview

Link or quote?

Anyway.. In KH2 Cloud is trying to defeat the darkness inside him, and by that he needs someone to "surround him with light".

As is the opinion of Tifa, her opinion isn't necessarily right.

Obviously, Aerith isn't his light. Because she clearly says this: "Once you find your light, I'm sure it will lead you back here again." Aerith will wait for him, by the time she will support him.

She says this in KH2, which is about inner light as opposed to finding the special person who is your light.

Then we have seen Tifa trying to get to Cloud, but he doesn't notice her. But when she is very close, Cloud get those 'flashes'.

Tifa wasn't planned to appear at first. I was talking with Tetsu about what Cloud could be doing in Hollow Bastion, and we eventually moved towards him chasing after Sephiroth, but also being chased by something himself. So Cloud's really running from something but goes around pretending, saying that he's chasing Sephiroth. Then we decided to make it him running from the 'something warm' like what Tifa was after in FFVIIAC.

As the above quote of Nomura tells us, Cloud is indeed running from something and this something is Tifa, or at least the "something warm" that "she was after in AC". He was aware of her chasing him.

"The present of the past is too much". And well, the past is.. Tifa and Sephiroth.

The past is also Aerith, his failure to protect her and her death. The latter was what was troubling Cloud in AC/C and considering that Nomura is paralleling KH2 Cloud to AC Cloud it's safe to say it is Aerith's death that he is referring to.

They are something more than just humans.

You know, I still don't understand what on earth Nomura meant by that. Is he implying that they are gods or something?

Tifa = Cloud's light
Sephiroth = Cloud's darkness

I think it's more interesting to get the people who play the game to think about it. For example, in the sense of 'if Sephiroth is darkness to Cloud, then the light is Tifa', people might take it as Tifa being a kind of being, not like a regular human being.

Nomura never said that was so. He implied one could see it that way but not that it was straight forward fact. Although obviously she must be light if Sephiroth is darkness. However: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CDC9NlDN00 at 1:03 Sephiroth talks about Cloud's darkness calling him, so he himself isn't Cloud's darkness. Therefore Tifa can't equate to Cloud's own light.

And who offers her light to Cloud? That's right, Tifa.

To which Cloud replies "I just...don't know". He then starts glowing from within implying he found is own inner light, he did not take hers.

Once again I'd like to reiterate that Aerith looks very much like Cloud's light in KH which is all about finding that someone special. On the other hand Tifa is only shown as a light in contrast to Sephiroth being darkness in KH2.

But I have a question: Why did they put Aerith in KH1 and not Tifa? I know they wanted both Sephiroth and Tifa in the game, but they took Sephiroth. Probably because he is a important connection to Cloud, but why Aerith and not Tifa then?

Exactly. What is going on here if Tifa is supposedly Cloud's love and light?

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

Nomura rendered the cloth in the artwork in a bizarre way, where it LOOKS like it's clinging to her skin like a sports bra, when it isn't.
Cloth is too loose in the original art too. It doesn't look like a sorts bra either. And the shirt doesn't stop right underneath her boobs.

How the hell do you figure all that? Are you looking at the same artwork? This is the art that I'm referring to:

Welcome to Physics 101. See the part that I've highlighted in pink on the right? This is about where her shirt would fall if the part beneath her bust was not very, very tight. As in, elastic band tight. You'll notice this is similar to where it falls in the CG render, which depicts a looser shirt than the one we see here.

Here's the elastic band in question, highlighted for your viewing pleasure. Just in case you missed it.

Note the three purple marks here. The lowest one indicates where you believe the bottom of her shirt "branches out" from her body. This is not the case. This is the thickness of the material. You can tell that by looking at the other two locations that I've marked, which show approximately the same thickness. The bottom is hugging her body just as much as the top is.

As for the "baggy" part between her breasts, which is what I'm assuming you're trying to say proves that her shirt is loose— these wrinkles do not indicate loose material. They indicate tight material on large breasts.

Because the two objects they're wrapping around on either end are stretching the fabric, and there's nothing in the middle to cause it to stretch the same, a stretchy material will bag up and gather in the middle because it's trying to retain its original shape, but since there is the same amount of material with less "ground" to cover, there is clearly exess. Take two baseballs, glue them together, and wrap them tightly in a t-shirt. Tell me you don't see "wrinkles" in the space between.

And have I noted enough that's it's not the sports bra that I criticize because it makes sense for someone doing lots of movement and backflipping to wear a sports bra? Because I think I wrote that before, but I dunno, maybe the gremlins ate it.

It's a sports bra. You can accept that, or you can continue to insist the sky is yellow. The sports bra is fine. It's the tiny skirt that's the problem.

Honestly, why would you try to argue this point to death instead of just accepting that it's a sports bra? How does it affect your life? How does it affect anything?

Really? I used to work in clothing retail and all the employees, boss included, would call any top without sleeves a sleeveless top...this is weird.

Well they were not being specific enough. I provided you people with definitions of the difference between sleeveless, tank, and cami, and you're still arguing about what is and what isn't. What more do you need? You're all just arguing for the sake of arguing now. This isn't even important to the original point.

Tifa's top is belly-button top, surely. It also carries on for a good 2-3 inches after her breasts. (I have her FFVII CGI render in full size up on my wall so I've been comparing.)

We're not talking about the CG render. We're talking about the original artwork. The top is noticeably different in the CG render.

 

[Max Payne]

How the hell do you figure all that? Are you looking at the same artwork? This is the art that I'm referring to:

Welcome to Physics 101. See the part that I've highlighted in pink on the right? This is about where her shirt would fall if the part beneath her bust was not very, very tight. As in, elastic band tight. You'll notice this is similar to where it falls in the CG render, which depicts a looser shirt than the one we see here.

Here's the elastic band in question, highlighted for your viewing pleasure. Just in case you missed it.

Note the three purple marks here. The lowest one indicates where you believe the bottom of her shirt "branches out" from her body. This is not the case. This is the thickness of the material. You can tell that by looking at the other two locations that I've marked, which show approximately the same thickness. The bottom is hugging her body just as much as the top is.

As for the "baggy" part between her breasts, which is what I'm assuming you're trying to say proves that her shirt is loose— these wrinkles do not indicate loose material. They indicate tight material on large breasts.

Because the two objects they're wrapping around on either end are stretching the fabric, and there's nothing in the middle to cause it to stretch the same, a stretchy material will bag up and gather in the middle because it's trying to retain its original shape, but since there is the same amount of material with less "ground" to cover, there is clearly exess. Take two baseballs, glue them together, and wrap them tightly in a t-shirt. Tell me you don't see "wrinkles" in the space between.

And have I noted enough that's it's not the sports bra that I criticize because it makes sense for someone doing lots of movement and backflipping to wear a sports bra? Because I think I wrote that before, but I dunno, maybe the gremlins ate it.

It's a sports bra. You can accept that, or you can continue to insist the sky is yellow. The sports bra is fine. It's the tiny skirt that's the problem.


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Honestly, can you not handle being wrong or something? And the diagram is nice and all, but the clothing clearly separates from her body at the bottom, it's not because it's thick. You can clearly see where the fabric curves around her body. Even if it was because the material was thick, it wouldn't branch out that far from her body.

The neckline of the shirt clearly indicates looseness of the material, and jesus christ drop the arrogance. Folds like that do not form on sports bras unless the material is loose, which defeats the purpose of it. This is a common sports bra:

See how smooth that is and the lack of folds in the fabric? See how it clings to the skin? Well what Tifa is wearing doesn't do that. The material is clearly much more loose. I don't see how it could be a sports bra, when it really doesn't look it.

Honestly, why would you try to argue this point to death instead of just accepting that it's a sports bra?

Because you're wrong?

How does it affect your life? How does it affect anything?

I dunno, why are you so desperate to prove that is? I see something I believe is wrong I challenge it. Boo hooing about how it doesn't matter is silly. But what's even silly is going on about how wrong someone is and insulting their intelligence over such a thing.

 

[Alex]

I don't there's enough evidence in the game for Cloud being interested in cup size for it to be a factor in this debate, so this sports bra argument is pretty irrelevant.

 

[Ryushikaze]

KH was all about finding your light in the sense of your romantic interest, for example Belle and the Beast. Sora found Kairi but continued to look for his light in KH2 right? KH2 on the other hand is all about finding your inner light, not a certain someone.

So you're saying there IS something naughty going on between Ghepetto and Pinnochio?
And Sora didn't look for his light in the slightest.
And if KH is about finding your romantic light, well Cloud was looking for sephiroth.

Link or quote?

Link or quote for the 'KH is about romantic light, KH2 inner light' bullshit?

As is the opinion of Tifa, her opinion isn't necessarily right.

And yet she was proven correct.

She says this in KH2, which is about inner light as opposed to finding the special person who is your light.

Except, no... unless you have a quote for us.

As the above quote of Nomura tells us, Cloud is indeed running from something and this something is Tifa, or at least the "something warm" that "she was after in AC". He was aware of her chasing him.

Yes. And probably was running for what he believed were noble reasons like in AC/C

The past is also Aerith, his failure to protect her and her death. The latter was what was troubling Cloud in AC/C and considering that Nomura is paralleling KH2 Cloud to AC Cloud it's safe to say it is Aerith's death that he is referring to.

It's also Zack, his mom, his hometown, the kids, Tifa...
You also mangled that quote. It's the LIGHT of the present.

You know, I still don't understand what on earth Nomura meant by that. Is he implying that they are gods or something?

They are light and darkness.

Nomura never said that was so. He implied one could see it that way but not that it was straight forward fact. Although obviously she must be light if Sephiroth is darkness. However: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CDC9NlDN00 at 1:03 Sephiroth talks about Cloud's darkness calling him, so he himself isn't Cloud's darkness. Therefore Tifa can't equate to Cloud's own light.

But Cloud calls Sephiroth his darkness in KH:FM.

To which Cloud replies "I just...don't know". He then starts glowing from within implying he found is own inner light, he did not take hers.

Again, bullshit. A 'light transfer' happens in KH as well, and does so the same frickin' way. There's even a difference in the color of the light from person to person and no sign of it intervening. It's a light transfer. simple as that.

Once again I'd like to reiterate that Aerith looks very much like Cloud's light in KH which is all about finding that someone special. On the other hand Tifa is only shown as a light in contrast to Sephiroth being darkness in KH2.

Except Cloud was never looking for her. He was looking for SEPHIROTH.

Exactly. What is going on here if Tifa is supposedly Cloud's love and light?

The fact that they wanted Tifa as more than a token cameo but an actual a ally in battle is what.

 

[Ⓐaron]

@Dacon and Ravynne: Why don't the two of you just fuck each other so we don't have to deal with the sexual tension in like every thread, srsly.

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

Hokay, I popquizzed my mother the seamstress while I was making breakfast.

"Hey ma, pop quiz. What's the difference between a sleeveless shirt and a tank top?"

"A sleeveless *shirt* or a sleeveless *top*?"

"Well, a sleeveless top. But what's the difference between a sleeveless top and a sleeveless shirt?"

"A shirt has a collar and buttons. A top can just be like this [she pointed on herself but indicated a scoop neck] and made out of knit." (So this explains why I could only find examples with collars and buttons when I searched for the sleeveless pic, because I may have searched "sleevess shirt" rather than "sleeveless top". e.e)

"And a sleeveless top and tank top?"

"The width of the straps. A sleeveless top comes out to here [she pointed at the corner of her shouler]."

"Like where sleeves would be sewn on, right?"

"Right, there just...aren't any sleeves. But as a *top* it can be made out of a knit and have a neck like this [indicated a scoop neck again]. A tank top has thinner straps [and she was indicating that these straps were closer to the center of the shoulder]."

"And the arms on a tank top are cut inward, right? So that the straps are thinner?"

"Right."

"Okay, now what's the difference between a tank top and a cami/camisole?"

"A camisole has thin spaghetti straps and goes straight across the bust."

"Oh it has to go straight across?"

"Well it might be a bit curved. Like you and I are wearing camis. A man can wear a tank top. A man, uh...shouldn't wear a cami, let's hope. You work in fashion, you know this stuff."

"Yeah and I said that but I have people arguing with me on the internet. >.> Let me show you what's in question."

She's sitting on her laptop so I google the Nomura artwork of Tifa.

"Oh that's a sports bra," she says.

"ASHDSDFDGSGFSHTH THAT'S WHAT I SAID."

She also pointed out that the top hugs her body on the right side, and that it wouldn't do that if it wasn't form-fitting.

Additional lulz include my mom nearly spitting out her tea while laughing when I explained that Tifa was a martial artist and did a lot of kicking in that skirt.

the diagram is nice and all, but the clothing clearly separates from her body at the bottom, it's not because it's thick. You can clearly see where the fabric curves around her body. Even if it was because the material was thick, it wouldn't branch out that far from her body.

It does not "clearly separate from her body," and I just illustrated that with comparisons between how far it is from her body at the bottom and how far it is from her body at the top. You have nothing to support your claim save for the fact that you think it.

Folds like that do not form on sports bras unless the material is loose, which defeats the purpose of it. This is a common sports bra:

That woman has much smaller breasts, and her sports bra is new and made out of a material with less give. The material on Tifa's shirt is looser, as in not woven as tightly, but the garment itself is tight fitting and seems to give the support intended of a sporta bra.

Because you're wrong?

Except that I'm not and you're wrong. See how that works? Rubber, glue, etc. But for what it's worth, I have more to back up my claim than you do.


As for why I am still arguing, I was the one who made the statement in the first place and you saw fit to challenge me. I don't need to defend my reasons for defending my statement. It's like that whole bit about trying to prove a negative. You're the one who needs to have a reason for challenging the status quo that I have put forth. The burden of purpose rests with you.

I made a (correct) statement about an article of clothing in a piece of artwork, based on experience that results from:
- selling women's clothes for a living (including sports bras)
- being raised by a seamstress
- being a woman and wearing these clothes
- being a shitty artist who does know how to indicate tight clothing on large breasts despite her shititude

So you've pretty much insulted every aspect of my life simultaneously because you somehow believe you're more qualified to name this garment despite that I have gone so far as to pull in actual definitions, illustrations, and for god's sake, now professional testimony.

Your percieved rights to challenge my statement, on the other hand, are based on the experience provided by:
- being Dacon

Hmm.

 

[Eerie]

Oh, FFS, Tifa's not wearing a bra sport, I've worn tops or whatever the fuck you call them like that and those definitely weren't bra sports. I'm also happy to find out that I'm a slut after reading this thread, because I've never learned that in all the years I've wore those kind of clothing. Thank you so much for enlightening me.

As for the KH thing, I simply can't understand the relevance to FF7, although the creators seem to like to continue on with some ideas - aka Sephiroth is Cloud's darkness, Tifa embodies the warmth and the light that is a catalyst to him, Aerith is a good friend, etc. Yes, yes, Aerith is a good friend, 'cause from what I've heard, he never chase after her in KH/KHII.

tl,dr: I don't get your effin' points, all of you.

EDIT: for the top, it's natural that it hugs her curves like that. Because, she has BOOBS. Seriously.

 

[Max Payne]

It does not "clearly separate from her body," and I just illustrated that with comparisons between how far it is from her body at the bottom and how far it is from her body at the top. You have nothing to support your claim save for the fact that you think it.

You didn't illustrate anything but the fact that the top branches out at the bottom. It would make no sense for the top to be so much more less thick that it is on the bottom.

I've already pointed out how it appears to not be a sports bra, I'm sorry that's not enough for you.

That woman has much smaller breasts, and her sports bra is new and made out of a material with less give. The material on Tifa's shirt is looser, as in not woven as tightly, but the garment itself is tight fitting and seems to give the support intended of a sporta bra.

Except It's only tight fitting on her breasts, but loose in several other places. This suggests it's more of a fault of the artist at rendering the material properly, if it's meant to be a sports bra, like I originally said. When I took art classes in high school my art teacher deliberate pointed out that shit like that, inconsistencies in materials is not the proper way to render cloth. It however is something popularized in stylized arts.

The garment is clearly tighter on her breasts, but this isn't the case on the rest of the fabric. The folds in the cloth are clearly adhering to the shape of her body, unlike a sports bra. Which is probably why it looks tighter on her breasts, because they're too big for it, whereas the rest of her body isn't.

Except that I'm not and you're wrong. See how that works? Rubber, glue, etc. But for what it's worth, I have more to back up my claim than you do.

Except I've pointed out how the depiction in both works of art imply it isn't a sports bra, but I guess that doesn't count BECAUSE YOU KNOW SO MUCH MORE THAN ANYONE ABOUT THIS.

As for why I am still arguing, I was the one who made the statement in the first place and you saw fit to challenge me. I don't need to defend my reasons for defending my statement. It's like that whole bit about trying to prove a negative. You're the one who needs to have a reason for challenging the status quo that I have put forth. The burden of purpose rests with you.

You were going on about it being a sports bra long before I said anything about it, trying to prove to others that it was when they didn't feel the same.

I made a (correct) statement about an article of clothing in a piece of artwork, based on experience that results from:
- selling women's clothes for a living (including sports bras)
- being raised by a seamstress
- being a woman and wearing these clothes
- being a shitty artist who does know how to indicate tight clothing on large breasts despite her shititude

Yeah, and my mother, grandmother, and her sisters all have experience with this type of clothing and making it, so what?

I'm an artist too, and I've been studying this shit, for years and how different clothes fit to the body and how they interact with it. I have books dedicated to the subject. Which is why I said what I did. IT LOOKS LIKE THE ARTIST FUCKED UP.

So you've pretty much insulted every aspect of my life simultaneously because you somehow believe you're more qualified to name this garment despite that I have gone so far as to pull in actual definitions, illustrations, and for god's sake, now professional testimony.

What? I never said anything about your life. I am making a statement based off observation and in your arrogance you're freaking out as though you're the final authority on the issue and GOD FORBID anyone challenge you on it. All the while assuming no one but you knows shit about shit.

Either the way the final render from the compilation proves it's not a sports bra, and falls in line with the original design, save for the fucked up proportions and (my supposed interpretation) inaccurate rendering of the cloth. I never said you didn't know more than me, but even with all of your purported knowledge it's still possible to be mistaken.

Your percieved rights to challenge my statement, on the other hand, are based on the experience provided by:
- being Dacon

Yeah, sure. That negates everything I've said. Really.

 

[Ladyofmoonlight]

KH was all about finding your light in the sense of your romantic interest, for example Belle and the Beast.

Since when??? KH is about SE and Disney making $$$ off of combining their characters and stories into a fun little game. There isn't really any romance outside of what's already been established. So Beast is looking for Belle, so what? Gepetto looks for Pinochio too. It's just a rehash of Disney movies and those important relationships, not a game romance.

Cloud was looking for Sephiroth in KH, as you find out by him saying "I was looking for you" when he finally encounters him.

Also, I don't see anything Clerith about it. Believe me, I was a Clerith when I played it, I was pretty disappointed. Nomura says that this is supposed to clue us into Aerith and Cloud's relationship. We can't take Nomura's quote there to signify a romance between the two, we have to actually look at the game itself and what it shows to see what we're supposed to be clued in on. And what do we see? Cloud haunted by his past and searching for Sephiroth, and Aerith who can't reach him but watches after him from afar. There was no "oh, I love you!" scene, no hug or kiss, just them seeing each other at the end and looking... well, she looks happy, he looks angsty, and they're reunited just like everyone else.

Not that I believe an AU universe really has anything to say about the original game, but the KH argument grates on me. Now, the monkey thing from FFX-2, that one's a fun argument.

 

[Ⓐaron]

Thread title edited for increased accuracy

 

[Ravynne Nevyrmore]

Well if he fucked up, then he fucked up and drew Tifa in a sports bra, because that's what she's wearing. If you want to leave it at "Nomura's a douche and incorrectly drew Tifa in a sports bra," that's fine with me.

Although then her design would be flawed in two aspects, because she really ought to be wearing a sports bra.