The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Dawnbreaker]

I'm saying it's bullshit to me because while a number of men and women find running away and letting those you love get attacked is romantic and heroic it isn't to me. Maybe the writers say it. Maybe fans of character says it. I dunno and I dun care. A person is entitled to think something's stupid if they personally don't support it.

I'd kick Cloud six ways to Sunday if he left me like that. *shrugs*

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

Oops - late again. Sorry - everyone already answered the stuff I addressed in my last post so it must've looked like I was bringing it up for nothing.

That's right on bullshit. I'd kill a man who left to "protect me". Maybe it's the way I am but I consider a man a coward he runs away instead of standing to protect the ones he says he loves.

A lot of the things people do out of love are, well, selfish. Even if you give up your life for someone you love, it could be argued you did it for a selfish reason (such as you didn't want to live without him/her - or you didn't want to live with the thought that you COULD have done something to save him/her, but did nothing).

Anyway what I'm trying to say is - Cloud is being selfish here, I think. Maybe he figured "Oh, shit - if Tifa (and the kids) know I've got geostigma and that I'm definitely gonna die, they're gonna be shit depressed until I kick the bucket, and thereafter to boot. But if I just stay quiet, make them think I left because I cba to stay with them, they'll just be annoyed and hurt (which is loads better than worrying about my impending doom). Oh, and I thought I could save Denzel... Only I can't... can't... look... at them... *cries*"

 

[Isabella]

I don't think anyone's saying he did the right thing, though. He did the Cloud thing, and Cloud is all-around messed up.

 

[paoo]

I'd kick Cloud six ways to Sunday if he left me like that. *shrugs*

No, just kick him in the nuts.
But the thing is.... Cloud didn't think he could protect them even. So he moved to Aerith's church, to die.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I think a virgin male who spent 4 years as vegetable lab experiment from the age of 16, after seeing his whole family and town get slaughtered while he was in the military, isn't the most knowledgeable in terms of what it takes to be in a relationship at the age of 20.

 

[Dawnbreaker]

Okay, totally agreed with those comments. I just personally cannot reconcile myself to the idea of someone loving someone completely and being in the right mind AND being totally committed if they run away when their family needs them the most.

 

[Isabella]

14? 18? Got your fingers on the wrong keys, Mako?

 

[Max Payne]

I'm saying it's bullshit to me because while a number of men and women find running away and letting those you love get attacked is romantic and heroic it isn't to me. Maybe the writers say it. Maybe fans of character says it. I dunno and I dun care. A person is entitled to think something's stupid if they personally don't support it.

I'd kick Cloud six ways to Sunday if he left me like that. *shrugs*

He didn't know they were being attacked by the silver haired freaks until it already happened.

 

[paoo]

Cloud is Cloud.
Gawd, you guys are too fast with your posts. Or maybe I am too... slow.
Why does the Ultimania say that "Cloud came to save her, but is always a tempo late.."
He didn't know she was hurt, did he? Then why did he walk so FRIGGIN' SLOW IN THE CHURCH UNTIL HE NOTICED TIFA?!

 

[Dawnbreaker]

He may not have known but he did know that he left them to fend for themselves while he emofagged about his condition and the situation. He needed to man up and deal with the shit so that his family wasn't left to worry about him and deal with the situation on their own. He made a choice to leave, one that indirectly resulted in Tifa's injuries and Marlene's kidnapping. Had he been there for them he could have protected them.

He fucked up and it isn't until the end that he gets his act together.

 

[Channy]

See this is what I don't get.

I'm saying it's bullshit to me because while a number of men and women find running away and letting those you love get attacked is romantic and heroic it isn't to me. Maybe the writers say it. Maybe fans of character says it. I dunno and I dun care. A person is entitled to think something's stupid if they personally don't support it.

I'd kick Cloud six ways to Sunday if he left me like that. *shrugs*

ESPECIALLY if said loved one has a history of being attacked and he has a history of "being late." Why be late at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to stay with her so he'd never be late at all?

I'm with you on this Dawnie, it's not the brightest of lightbulbs over Cloud's head.

 

[Max Payne]

He may not have known but he did know that he left them to fend for themselves while he emofagged about his condition and the situation. He needed to man up and deal with the shit so that his family wasn't left to worry about him and deal with the situation on their own. He made a choice to leave, one that indirectly resulted in Tifa's injuries and Marlene's kidnapping. Had he been there for them he could have protected them.

He fucked up and it isn't until the end that he gets his act together.

I'm just saying, had he known they were in immediate danger he would have come back to help them.

I'm not saying he wasn't at fault for what did happen. Seeing as how Tifa wouldn't have been at the church when Fagz showed up if Cloud hadn't been playing hobo.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Okay I have a question, and I think I've seen/read the answer before but I'm actually curious about this.

When DOES Cloud leave in AC/C? AC leads us to believe he may have been gone awhile... then ACC shows us when he met Denzel he (may have?) was already gone to the Church and left. I understand why he left and everything, but what do we have that shows us how long he's been gone for? Or is it all just speculation? And how long has he been gone? Was it like.. 2 weeks or something?

Now it's Channy's turn

They don't give us a definite time line as to when Cloud left. But it doesn't seem like it's been long since Case of Tifa leads into ACC. So it seems he's been gone for at most a week. Cloud's timeline lists the events of his leaving as happening during the whole "AC" part of his life, so it can be reasoned that it was very close to when AC started.

I'm just saying, had he known they were in immediate danger he would have come back to help them.

Actually that's just what he did later on

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

The one thing this thread appears to have established is that Cloud is a twit. [Edit: This is a joke. Sorry!]

He may not have known but he did know that he left them to fend for themselves while he emofagged about his condition and the situation. He needed to man up and deal with the shit so that his family wasn't left to worry about him and deal with the situation on their own. He made a choice to leave, one that indirectly resulted in Tifa's injuries and Marlene's kidnapping. Had he been there for them he could have protected them.

Yup, he was pretty selfish... though Tifa could've been injured and Marlene kidnapped while Cloud was off on one of his far-off deliveries, too. I seem to remember Loz saying "Yeah, I got it, bring the girl" - so they were referring to Marlene? It seems unlikely that Loz decided to sit in the church until Marlene showed up there... perhaps he traced them from the pub? I can kinda see Loz busting up the 7th Heaven.

 

[paoo]

BUT AS I SAID. Cloud didn't think he could protect them. He probably thought they would a great life without da dying-emo-faggot.
He just.... stopped fighting. Then he started to think about Zack and Aerith, and got even moar emo. That's the reason.

 

[Dawnbreaker]

We established Cloud is a twit? Awesome, cause I hates him. I think Tifa could do so much better, but then again, you love who you love you know?

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

ESPECIALLY if said loved one has a history of being attacked and he has a history of "being late." Why be late at all? Wouldn't it make more sense to stay with her so he'd never be late at all?

Well.... wouldn't that mean that Cloud could never be more than 20 minutes away from her? :|

Egad!

Cloud - and Tifa - would probably suffocate and die.

 

[Makoeyes987]

I guess having stunted emotional growth and no actual experience in relationships at all thanks to having close to no friends and being an experimental sample for years until you didn't know who you even were, makes you a twit.

 

[Max Payne]

We established Cloud is a twit? Awesome, cause I hates him. I think Tifa could do so much better, but then again, you love who you love you know?

Too many women use this bullshit to justify suffering through any number of injustices from their boyfriends/husbands/family.

 

[Dawnbreaker]

Oh I agree Dacon. Having been there (woot, about me again!) I can testify that some assholes can make the most insane excuses for their behaviour. Regardless of what you`ve had to deal with, it never justifies treating someone else like shit, ever. Yet some women are stupid and have enough low self-esteem as to date these freaks just because their excuse is that they`ve had some sort of shit in their lives.

 

[paoo]

Geef Cloud a break. You know he isn't good at showing feelings.
Just accept that he is fucked up after being through so much.
He realized he could protect those he love, he returns to his family, where he belongs. That's what matters nao..

:drama:

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

We established Cloud is a twit? Awesome, cause I hates him. I think Tifa could do so much better, but then again, you love who you love you know?

I- I was actually joking about that... It's just that so many people have been debating - Cloud/Tifa vs Cloud/Aerith vs Aerith/Barret vs Tifa/Aerith, sports bra vs tank top (lol), etc., etc.

I was just surprised to find many people accepting Cloud's twit-like behavior. I actually feel sorry for him, he was never very social to begin with - then Hojo, Sephiroth and Jenova pissed all over his brains...

I'm not surprised he's messed up, really.

 

[paoo]

I'm not surprised he's messed up, really.

Can you blame him? He didn't even know the names of vegetables..

 

[Channy]

Well.... wouldn't that mean that Cloud could never be more than 20 minutes away from her? :|

Egad!

Cloud - and Tifa - would probably suffocate and die.

I'm not saying he needs to be attached to her hip, but why run away from her? I mean while he's gone she could be attacked and he'd run in to only find her body lying there beaten...owait

Too many women use this bullshit to justify suffering through any number of injustices from their boyfriends/husbands/family.

So does that mean that Tifa is suffering through Cloud but she does it anyway cause she loves him?

 

[Max Payne]

I didn't say that, at all.

I was responding to what Dawn said. It doesn't apply to this situation. Cloud doesn't abuse Tifa nor does he treat her badly. He's just too weak to deal with his emotions alone, but he's too afraid to let anyone else in.