The First Epic LTD of TLS forums

[Neutron Ronnie]

I'm not saying he needs to be attached to her hip, but why run away from her? I mean while he's gone she could be attacked and he'd run in to only find her body lying there beaten...owait

Ah... I thought we'd already established that he wasn't running away from her, really.

I mean, just consider the possibility that he'd married her, but he was still running his delivery business. Or - for some reason, was more than 30 minutes away from Edge. What if she'd been attacked then?

 

[Max Payne]

I'd also like to touch on the Tifa being in danger without Cloud thing again.

It's not like she's some generic damsel in distress, she's a superhuman freak who can protect herself from just about anything daily life can throw at her. The only reason she lost to Loz is because he's the fucking manifestation of Sephiroth's power, and that's not something you can take unprepared out of the blue.

Cloud probably figured she could protect herself while he was away.

 

[Channy]

Sorry Dacon, it was just a rather obtuse thought.

Ah... I thought we'd already established that he wasn't running away from her, really.

I mean, just consider the possibility that he'd married her, but he was still running his delivery business. Or - for some reason, was more than 30 minutes away from Edge. What if she'd been attacked then?

No, I'm not trying to insinuate he was running away from her (because we've ALL been down THAT road ) I just meant that he kept running away in general. As it is insinuated that he keeps running away from his problems.

But I don't know, I'm not making sense. I'm just gonna go back to reading and not replying.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

I'm not saying he needs to be attached to her hip, but why run away from her?

T'was no insinuation, but a statement that was part of your question.

Just explaining why I emphasized the "from her" part in my previous post.

 

[Channy]

oic. Sorry about that. I should have worded it better because unlike more Clerith I don't actually think he's running from her (I did before but then shit people here set me straight on that )... but I don't know how else to phrase it.

It just shouldn't have been taken literally.

 

[Ryushikaze]

But there is nothing proven that adult Cloud had any romantic feelings for Tifa either. Friends yeah...lovers I don't think so.

"There's so many things I wanted to tell you, but I just couldn't find the words... nothing's changed."
To say nothing of the "Tell him [you were looking for word of him], he'll be so pleased" or whatever the exact quote is.
Or the starting his new life that can succeed because she's with him this time, differently to any way she was ever with him before.
She wears the pants in their relationship.
She is someone's lover/ beloved.
She is an important woman to Cloud.
Cloud opened his up his heart only ever to her.
The mature dialogue with risque overtones, which must imply risque action (elsewise they aren't risque on their own)

To say nothing of ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMMON RELATIONSHIP TROPES OUT THERE, sharing a home and raising the kids together. You are the sort of person I was ranting at. I mean, really, what the fuck sort of proof do you NEED for C/T, KTR, and why doesn't C/A need such an extreme goddamn level of proof in your mind?

No, I'm not trying to insinuate he was running away from her (because we've ALL been down THAT road ) I just meant that he kept running away in general. As it is insinuated that he keeps running away from his problems.

He's not running from his problems so much as running to keep his problems from affecting other people.

But I don't know, I'm not making sense. I'm just gonna go back to reading and not replying.

Reading your posts and making sure you would understand them if you hadn't just written them often helps.

 

[Eerie]

No, I'm not trying to insinuate he was running away from her (because we've ALL been down THAT road ) I just meant that he kept running away in general. As it is insinuated that he keeps running away from his problems.

But I don't know, I'm not making sense. I'm just gonna go back to reading and not replying.

Because, that's mainly Cloud being his emo-self - I can't protect the ones I love, I'm doomed, I can't erase my sins, etc, etc.

Cloud did open up to Tifa, but he closed up again at the thought that he could lose this happiness. So, in fear to lose that, he refrains himself from being happy; because if he's not happy, he can't lose what he hasn't got. Add the guilt of letting Aerith and Zack die, and you've got a pretty messed up Cloud at the beginning of AC/C.

That's why Tifa's giving him a lecture; because it's not by running away that he'll solve his problems. It's something that he finally understands - and as it was at the end of the game, he found the reason to fight again, hence why he could win against Sephiroth for the second time.

 

[Channy]

Because, that's mainly Cloud being his emo-self - I can't protect the ones I love, I'm doomed, I can't erase my sins, etc, etc.

Cloud did open up to Tifa, but he closed up again at the thought that he could lose this happiness. So, in fear to lose that, he refrains himself from being happy; because if he's not happy, he can't lose what he hasn't got. Add the guilt of letting Aerith and Zack die, and you've got a pretty messed up Cloud at the beginning of AC/C.

That's why Tifa's giving him a lecture; because it's not by running away that he'll solve his problems. It's something that he finally understands - and as it was at the end of the game, he found the reason to fight again, hence why he could win against Sephiroth for the second time.

The middle paragraph just seems oddly... selfish of Cloud. You know? Like when real emos close themselves off and commit suicide because it doesn't matter to anyone else but themselves. Here he's closing himself off and preventing happiness from affecting him so that he doesn't hurt anyone else. It's a weird stretch sort of zig zaggy, but does anybody get what I mean?

 

[Makoeyes987]

Welcome to depression, Channy!

 

[Eerie]

Exactly, Cloud was emo-ing and being an idiot, hence why he needed a kick in the head Which Tifa basically gave him [with words only DX] later on.

At least, they added a real reason for him to be gone in ACC, because truly? I hated AC!Cloud He was a dick >_<
I think ACC made him much more human and loveable - the Cloud I know, even though he was still emoing a bit too much for me.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

...why doesn't C/A need such an extreme goddamn level of proof...

Some people don't need proof, sadly. Why do so many people insist that only their country/race/religion/school/sports team is true/the best? A lot of people just blindly follow whatever they're born into, or emotionally attached to, and make crazy claims about it without detached inspection and proper questioning.

Oh, but other people's beliefs are valid targets for such questioning...

Btw, don't know if this has been addressed here before... There's a lot of talk about who Cloud will pick... But I'm wondering - if she was in a position, or even inclined to do so - who would Aerith pick?

Since "at all times, her first love Zack is always by her side", one wonders when she ever has the time or privacy for spirit sex with Cloud...

Is Zack being a pain, a pest, a boil on the butt? Or is he there because she wants him to be? (Personally, I believe it is the latter.)

Maybe it's not so much a question as whether Cloud will pick Aerith over Tifa, as much as it is whether Aerith will have Cloud.

Jokes aside: I don't know how it is for Cetra, but I imagine that if their bodies worked like humans' bodies do, when Aerith died she probably lost all desire for sex...

... Poor Clerith-Cloud.

 

[Channy]

Welcome to depression, Channy!

Is that what you kids are calling it these days?

Exactly, Cloud was emo-ing and being an idiot, hence why he needed a kick in the head Which Tifa basically gave him [with words only DX] later on.

At least, they added a real reason for him to be gone in ACC, because truly? I hated AC!Cloud He was a dick >_<
I think ACC made him much more human and loveable - the Cloud I know, even though he was still emoing a bit too much for me.

I would have loved to see Cloud get kicked in the head by Tifa.

What do you mean AC Cloud was a dick? Isn't he essentially the same in both versions? I didn't notice much change.

 

[Dashell]

She is an important woman to Cloud.

So is Aerith

and now that I think about it
So is Marlene

 

[Channy]

Marlene's not a woman yet.

 

[Dashell]

She's getting there.

 

[KissTheRain]

I would have loved to see Cloud get kicked in the head by Tifa.

I think a good Final Heaven in his dick would give him the clue to quit emo-ing. xD

I mean, really, what the fuck sort of proof do you NEED for C/T, KTR, and why doesn't C/A need such an extreme goddamn level of proof in your mind?

Excuse me, I was asking for proof and you gave me good solid proof so thank you. And when did I say C/A doesn't need proof, for me to officialy dub it as canon? No neither are 100% canon in my eyes still, yes there is tons of proof for both sides seeing all the things you have said and many Cleriths have put there bits of Clerith in so both to me have proof that could direct it being canon. But not one is canon, obviously seeing both have sides have solid proof for either Cloti or Clerith.

I don't know why you are giving me this feel that you think I am 100% pro Clerith and totally anti Cloti because I like both and yes both have a chance for canon, and both are, imo, to some degree.

"Cloud carries his own undying feelings for Aerith, even to this very day..."

"They came to realize their feelings for eachother in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC."

All I&#8217;m seeing is Cloud is a two timer if he is seriously in a relationship with either&#8230;<_<

 

[Eerie]

What do you mean AC Cloud was a dick? Isn't he essentially the same in both versions? I didn't notice much change.

No way XD He was given much more character development in ACC XD They gave the reason why Cloud left [for Denzel], made him have the cutest chat with Marlene, showed him meeting up with Denzel. Namely, they turned him into a very shy but cute father :333

In AC, Cloud was emotionless, you didn't know why he left - basically he got Geostigma and that was it - and you didn't have the impression that he cared about his family - which is untrue, as ACC proved it. Not the same at all

@Quexinos: yes, they're all important women, but there's only one with whom he realized that their feelings were mutual... hint: it's not a kid, and it's not a flower girl either

 

[Channy]

KTR it's not uncommon to harbour feelings of love for one person while being in a relationship with another. That just makes Cloud more realistic and relatable, not a two timer.

Syn: oic. I haven't watched AC for a while so I should rly watch both for comparisons. hrm.

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

"Cloud carries his own undying feelings for Aerith, even to this very day..."

But they don't exactly specify what these feelings are, do they? They could be feelings of romantic love, comradeship, gratitude, guilt, etc., etc.

I'm just saying it's quite possible for Cloud to feel any of the above for ever and ever(except for the first) while being in a romantic relationship with Tifa, and not be cheating on her (. Edit: ) or otherwise unfaithful, or in any way a two-timer...

 

[KissTheRain]

KTR it's not uncommon to harbour feelings of love for one person while being in a relationship with another. That just makes Cloud more realistic and relatable, not a two timer.

Yes, yes I know that this is realistic but loving two women at once isn't that romantic and seeing Cloud still is thinking about Aerith isn't just painful to think how Tifa feels if she is in a relationship with Cloud and he wants another women, along side her?

I feel awful if Tifa's love is unrequited too, it sucks for the poor girl, but then being in a relationship with him would suck too if he didn't completely love her. :/

 

[Dashell]

I mean, really, what the fuck sort of proof do you NEED for C/T, KTR, and why doesn't C/A need such an extreme goddamn level of proof in your mind?

Hey guys, why don't Cleriths sign up here?

 

[Neutron Ronnie]

... and seeing Cloud still is thinking about Aerith isn't just painful to think how Tifa feels if she is in a relationship with Cloud and he wants another women, along side her?...

Forgive me for being kinda slow at 4.06 am, but I have a question - are you stating that Cloud is thinking romantically of Aerith, and wants her (possibly sexually)? Or are you just offering that up for the sake of argument?

 

[Eerie]

Can I have a link to the interview/note etc too? I'm trying to find out, to see the context, but I can't find a damn thing as usual

Although, I'm off to sleep so it'll probably be majorly replied to by tomorrow

 

[Celes Chere]

Hey guys, why don't Cleriths sign up here?

There are no Cleriths on the internet.

seeing Cloud still is thinking about Aerith isn't just painful to think how Tifa feels if she is in a relationship with Cloud and he wants another women, along side her?
I feel awful if Tifa's love is unrequited too, it sucks for the poor girl, but then being in a relationship with him would suck too if he didn't completely love her. :/

Are you one of those fans that believes Tifa is a tragic character? Just wondering. I don't feel that way at all. Sure, she was left behind 'by a man', but the reason he left had nothing to do with Aerith. In fact, the Ultimania, RF, and finally ACC confirm this as fact. I'm not sure why some people must continue to insist that Tifa was left behind, and therefore, Cloud pines after Aerith and desires to be with her. Cloud is still thinking about Aerith? Well, of course! The same goes for Zack, whose death was just as emotional and tragic as Aerith's was. It's because of these two comrades and failing people he cares about in general, that Cloud has problems. There's just one thing about Aerith that stands out- he needs her forgiveness. He never got his closure with Aerith, and she is the only one that can heal him from this sense of guilt he has for her. Now, this doesn't make it love. And if it does, I would like it to be explained how if it's not too much to ask.

No-one should feel awful for Tifa due to the fact that her love is unrequited- because that is not the case. At the end of AC/ACC, Cloud is back, and they are all a family again. Cloud realizes he isn't alone anymore, etc. Tifa helped Cloud through his struggles just as well as Aerith and Zack. She's described as an important woman, etc, so there's no reason for her to be upset over 'another woman'. Cherishing Aerith is Tifa's honest feeling, afterall. And finally, Tifa seemed the most upset when she said,
"Why didn't he tell me?"
That has nothing to do with Aerith.

I don't believe that Cloud loves Aerith romantically at all, I don't believe he ever did. What she is , is a friend. There is no proof that he ever "got over Tifa". In fact, there is plenty of proof stating that their love never faded, and only grew.

 

[Dashell]

Well since Celes Chere is coming clean I may as well too. This is FF Goddess. Turns out Clerith was a huge psychological experiment by the CIA. It was to determine the effects of internet alienation and whathaveyou.

Celes Chere is Ana
Mako is Kaldea
Ryushikaze is Kisstherain

And there's others if they wish to come forward. So yes this has all been one big experiment. Clerith.com never really existed and neither did CxA forums. It was just a huge experiment.

Please continue to use this forum to talk about Final Fantasy. I hope you have a nice day.