So is Aerith
and now that I think about it
So is Marlene
Only one of them is called out as an important woman to him. Another is called out as the symbol of his failures. One isn't called out as anything in particular, IIRC.
Excuse me, I was asking for proof and you gave me good solid proof so thank you. And when did I say C/A doesn't need proof, for me to officialy dub it as canon? No neither are 100% canon in my eyes still, yes there is tons of proof for both sides seeing all the things you have said and many Cleriths have put there bits of Clerith in so both to me have proof that could direct it being canon. But not one is canon, obviously seeing both have sides have solid proof for either Cloti or Clerith.
Sorry for snapping kiddo, but I'm a bit of an old jaded dog at this, and sometimes I rant and rave without any particular provocation.
I don't know why you are giving me this feel that you think I am 100% pro Clerith and totally anti Cloti because I like both and yes both have a chance for canon, and both are, imo, to some degree.
Sorry, it's just the whole 'they ONLY live together and raise two kids, one of whom is unquestionably theirs, nothing romantic about THAT' thing just really gets my goat, not for LTD reasons so much as it seems a deliberate ignoring of narrative cues the whole structure of fiction is based on.
"Cloud carries his own undying feelings for Aerith, even to this very day..."
To be frank, I don't doubt, nor do I deny, but there are plenty of feelings that could be undying other than love. Hell, I'd expect all of Cloud's feelings for Zack to be undying too.
He just wasn't in focus in AC as much as Aerith was.
"They came to realize their feelings for eachother in the end of the story, and live together in AC and DC."
All I’m seeing is Cloud is a two timer if he is seriously in a relationship with either…<_<
It's not two timing to hold undying feelings for the dead, really, even if they are romantic. It's not two timing for Inu-Yasha to still have feelings for Kikyo while also pursuing Kagome. ACTING on them would make it two timing.
Yes, yes I know that this is realistic but loving two women at once isn't that romantic and seeing Cloud still is thinking about Aerith isn't just painful to think how Tifa feels if she is in a relationship with Cloud and he wants another women, along side her?
But does he really WANT the girl, or just have unresolved issues with her?
I feel awful if Tifa's love is unrequited too, it sucks for the poor girl, but then being in a relationship with him would suck too if he didn't completely love her. :/
But would the makers really take that angle with her story? It seems unlikely.
Hey guys, why don't Cleriths sign up here?
Oi, I'm allowed to swear from time to time.
Well since Celes Chere is coming clean I may as well too. This is FF Goddess. Turns out Clerith was a huge psychological experiment by the CIA. It was to determine the effects of internet alienation and whathaveyou.
Celes Chere is Ana
Mako is Kaldea
Ryushikaze is Kisstherain
I might be a few others. But you're not cleared for that info yet.
And there's others if they wish to come forward. So yes this has all been one big experiment. Clerith.com never really existed and neither did CxA forums. It was just a huge experiment.
The results are Ftaghn Fnord, of course.
Please continue to use this forum to talk about Final Fantasy. I hope you have a nice day.
By the way, you're all drafted.
Wow this thread is absolutely made of completely useless nonsense.
owell here goes.
Except here. Tifa was just Clouds childhood friend.
A number of statements explicitly contradict that, as already quoted.
I think Tifa doesn't quite know what she's feeling what with being sliced and diced, her dad being killed, I presume some time on the run or something before arriving in Midgar and joining avalanche, and then of course the time spent in avalanche working as a terrorist, I don't think she's had much time to experiment with love and relationships, and sees Cloud as an escape of some kind. A reminder of the past that she lost and is projecting those feelings and interpreting them as love because she has no real past experience to compare them to.
Except... she liked Cloud BEFORE all that went down.
Aerith on the other hand had never met Cloud before and had a thing for him instantly.
...Because of the aspect of her last boyfriend she hadn't seen in five years that he was emulating.
That was genuine relationshipy type feelings that grew into what I think was real love.
Except she admits she was chasing Zack's phantom and never got to meet Cloud, but wanted to actually do so. Only, Sephiroth had different plans.
I'd wager that those feelings are closer to romantic love than they are of just comradery. You don't normally hold undying feelings for a friend, especially if you only knew them for 2 weeks AND were fucked in the head.
But then, those feelings are closer to guilt than they are love. But far closer than just friendship and gratitude imo.
Again, not 'mere' friendship, but 'dear' friendship. There might also be guilt relating to Zack and failing the ideal he set forth, but that's more speculation than anything. It'd fit, though.
Because they don't exist.
Really, I'm not Clerith. But I'm no Cloti, Clack or Zerith either...
I'm really...
*drumroll*
No, you're a Clukiroth. Search your feelings. You know this to be true.
Okay, I just think that if it was referring to Cloud having “feelings” for Aerith after AC, such as in the DoC manual it would be considered romantic.
Yeah, but it also calls him Ex-SOLDIER, which was a lie, and wasn't even valid throughout the entire game, so it's not exactly current events it's discussing.
Not in a sexual way though, like he just still loves her and she has a place in his heart. But “feelings” was also a word used for Tifa so she seems to be getting romantic points with Cloud too. And I don’t want an argument, I want a discussion. :3
The thing is, his feelings with Tifa are called mutual. Her words and the scene under the highwind are called risque and adult.
Why yes I do. ^^
….BUT I consider many FF characters tragic. They have all had awful pasts, so I believe many to be or have quite tragic moments. Even Aerith I consider tragic at points in the game, same with everyone else in AVALANCE following Aerith’s death seeing it was a tragic time. Tifa falls in with all of them. And I think the story of C/T is quite tragic and Tifa is part of it.
Do you believe her story has a more tragic end, or merely tragic circumstances leading to a happy end?
I understand all that, but then it continues into the DoC manual saying that Cloud still doesn’t forget Aerith, with no mention of Zack I must say. Love is an undying feeling imo, really. U.U So if Cloud did love Tifa as children it would make sense he still did, but it is only called a crush so far.
Actually, 'fell in love with' is a more common usage of the phrase some folks are insisting means 'crush' but pfeh.
Yup, I know that I’m quite the AerTi extremist. xD
You and Cloud both.
Lol, the thing is many Clerith’s view everything you said oppositely. They think he does in fact love Aerith, and did get over his crush with Tifa. xD Sadly, none of us are Cloud so we will never actually know how he has or does feel on the girls 100%.
But we can at least look to the evidence for clues. Where's the evidence he fell in love with Cloud, or that he got over Tifa, especially in light of Lifestream and high highwind, and start of CoT and so many creator comments.
That’s what most debate is. XD Plus it is about fictional characters to add to how pointless this is..
Yes, but there's a lot useless even for the current discussion.
That could make sense for VII, but Tifa obviously had a deep crush imo on Cloud in CC and the only tragedy that happened so far was her mother’s death./quote]
And she was not being held down by the emotions of that tragedy or looking for an anchor at the point Cloud asked her to the well, or when she held her feelings for him for another two years til his return, or for five after that.
I always looked at Aerith as a fresh start for both him and her from their previous relationships, which was always quite nice. :3
Well, for her, yeah, or at least she tried to be. He was oblivious of her intentions.
My problem with the "Aerith didn't know Cloud" argument is that neither did Tifa until the lifestream event.
She did, since she knew him well enough to know he wasn't acting like himself from the get go, but she didn't get to know him awesomely intimately til then, yeah.
They were not childhood friends. You bring up the promise again and again, ... so I can only promise my friends things? How do we know she didn't say that to every guy who said, "Hey I'm going off to SOLDIER!" We know Cloud wasn't the only one because she said something about how all the boys are leaving town. It's nice that she looked up Cloud in the papers and such but... she hardly knew him.
Actually, we don't know how well they knew each other, just that they didn't know each other 'that well'. It's entirely possible that they got to know each other really well in the time they had til he moved out the next spring.
So I really don't think it's fair to expect "Aerith didn't know Cloud" to be a good argument when it comes to anything before the lifestream event
It's not so much that she didn't know Cloud, but also that she was fixated on the Zack in him for a good time. Even if Tifa didn't know Cloud that well, she knew he wasn't himself from the start and wanted to bring that back to the surface.
Now then, Psycho, it seems you have either not familiarized yourself with or forgotten a number of quotes and scenes from the compilation. I suggest you refresh yourself on some of these before wading back in here, because that would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Oh, wait, Psycho paul thinks the compilation is a fanfiction that doesn't count?
Concession accepted, then.
You refuse to even arm yourself, this gunfight's over before it starts.
